Celtics were close to signing David West

[Cman]

he's not currently on the c's payroll, do the c's still own his rights and he'd be s&t-ed to NO together with JO?

Correct.

Thanks.

[Cman]

The Hornets should be demanding the Clippers or two future first round picks in exchange for signing and trading David West.

They should be demanding it, and Ainge should tell them "I'll give you a protected first, take it or leave it, cuz West could always leave for nothing. N O T H I N G." Then hang up the phone.

[chambers]

I'm getting these feeds from Yahoo's tracker and Woj has posted the following:(these are supposedly live?)
Seems like he posted the same stuff yesterday but the updated times make me wonder if some stuff is fresh.

Are these just not being updated by Yahoo? Talk about a killer time to let their servers hang!


7:59

WojYahooNBA: As @Daldridgetnt reports, David West close w/ Celtics. Y! Sources say sides working on a sign-and-trade for a 3-year, $27-29M deal. [via Twitter]

8:02

WojYahooNBA: Celtics likely send Jermaine O'Neal and another player to New Orleans in sign-and-trade, sources said. Hornets would move players elsewhere. [via Twitter]

8:05

WojYahooNBA: David West has desperately wanted to play for a winner, and will take less money to do so in Boston. [via Twitter]

This is where I'm getting them, anyone else have luck with more recent updates?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ak5M9FBAXaBLcuFtZn0EBri8vLYF?slug=ys-nba_free_agency_tracker_120811

[Who]

The Hornets should be demanding the Clippers or two future first round picks in exchange for signing and trading David West.

They should be demanding it, and Ainge should tell them "I'll give you a protected first, take it or leave it, cuz West could always leave for nothing. N O T H I N G." Then hang up the phone.

One first round pick isn't worth taking on all that extra salary.

Not unless Jermaine O'Neal is agreeing to waive all money owed to him. In which case, one pick would be more than satisfactory. Maybe even the Cavs second rounder (from Erden trade) would suffice.

[Inside-Out]

The Hornets should be demanding the Clippers or two future first round picks in exchange for signing and trading David West.

They should be demanding it, and Ainge should tell them "I'll give you a protected first, take it or leave it, cuz West could always leave for nothing. N O T H I N G." Then hang up the phone.

One first round pick isn't worth taking on all that extra salary.

Not unless Jermaine O'Neal is agreeing to waive all money owed to him. In which case, one pick would be more than satisfactory. Maybe even the Cavs second rounder (from Erden trade) would suffice.

Basically what NO should be looking to do is pick up Bradley for kicks, the best 1st they can, and $3 million to pay JO (about half his salary).  Then even if they cut JO, it only costs them $3 million out of pocket, about the price of a 1st rounder, and they get Bradley for free.  That's the equivalent of 2 1sts for the price of one.

Or they can flip JO to a contender, which is likely...Perhaps LA to make up for losing Gasol?

[Smokeeye123]

Wait , so can someone update me? Is the deal dead?

[Who]

The Hornets should be demanding the Clippers or two future first round picks in exchange for signing and trading David West.

They should be demanding it, and Ainge should tell them "I'll give you a protected first, take it or leave it, cuz West could always leave for nothing. N O T H I N G." Then hang up the phone.

One first round pick isn't worth taking on all that extra salary.

Not unless Jermaine O'Neal is agreeing to waive all money owed to him. In which case, one pick would be more than satisfactory. Maybe even the Cavs second rounder (from Erden trade) would suffice.

Basically what NO should be looking to do is pick up Bradley for kicks, the best 1st they can, and $3 million to pay JO (about half his salary).  Then even if they cut JO, it only costs them $3 million out of pocket, about the price of a 1st rounder, and they get Bradley for free.  That's the equivalent of 2 1sts for the price of one.

Or they can flip JO to a contender, which is likely...Perhaps LA to make up for losing Gasol?

Agreed -- Bradley + a future first is equivalent of two firsts

That would/should be an acceptable trade package for New Orleans.

[Fan from VT]

I wonder if this is being delayed in order to include JO going to LA as part of all that, or else staying in NO to play C with Okafor going to LA, to satisfy owners that NO isn't taking on tons of salary and thus giving LA monetary relief/trade exception AND chris paul (which is what they were getting in the vetoed deal). This may go with that deal to make sure LA takes back actual contracts.

Thoughts? That could explain the delay...

[mloyko]

The Hornets should be demanding the Clippers or two future first round picks in exchange for signing and trading David West.

They should be demanding it, and Ainge should tell them "I'll give you a protected first, take it or leave it, cuz West could always leave for nothing. N O T H I N G." Then hang up the phone.

One first round pick isn't worth taking on all that extra salary.

Not unless Jermaine O'Neal is agreeing to waive all money owed to him. In which case, one pick would be more than satisfactory. Maybe even the Cavs second rounder (from Erden trade) would suffice.

Basically what NO should be looking to do is pick up Bradley for kicks, the best 1st they can, and $3 million to pay JO (about half his salary).  Then even if they cut JO, it only costs them $3 million out of pocket, about the price of a 1st rounder, and they get Bradley for free.  That's the equivalent of 2 1sts for the price of one.

Or they can flip JO to a contender, which is likely...Perhaps LA to make up for losing Gasol?

Agreed -- Bradley + a future first is equivalent of two firsts

That would/should be an acceptable trade package for New Orleans.

The Hornets don't have much leverage here. They are not resigning David West. They can't take on any salary otherwise the Chris Paul trade will not be able to be made. David West might have interest from other teams in the Hornets division, so all the Hornets are doing is facilitating the move to Boston, they don't want any money coming on to the books. I do think they will get an unprotected 2nd round pick, for their efforts. This happens all the time. The Mavs are doing the same thing with Tyson Chandler. They are signing and trading him to the knicks for nothing in return, not an unusual occurance.

[Surferdad]

I wonder if this is being delayed in order to include JO going to LA as part of all that, or else staying in NO to play C with Okafor going to LA, to satisfy owners that NO isn't taking on tons of salary and thus giving LA monetary relief/trade exception AND chris paul (which is what they were getting in the vetoed deal). This may go with that deal to make sure LA takes back actual contracts.

Thoughts? That could explain the delay...

This just occurred to me too.  At the very least, there has to be some dependence between these two deals, if not actually tied together.

[Celtics4ever]

Celtics coach Doc Rivers seemed to be hinting at another big splash Friday night while talking to reporters about potential moves to complete the team's 2011-12 roster.

Asked if the team was looking for another big or another scorer, Rivers said, "You got it, we're looking for a big scorer. And we are, honestly. But we're just looking for the best players available that are still out there. Some of them are probably a pipe dream. And some may not be, you never know.

"One thing with players, some will just go for the best deal, which you can't blame them for that. Some will go for a fit. Some will just say, 'I'm going to sign for one year, I want to try to win a title.' Those are the ones we're talking to."

I don't think it is dead this is s recent ESPN news thread.  I call BS on that one.  I sense the presence of a troll here or worse a Laker fan.

West isn't a franchise cornerstone like Paul.  As long as they get assets back I don't think they will veto this.  He is also a free agent.  Were he to be blocked, it would violate the contact with the players and that isn't going to happen given the lockout mess.

[mloyko]

For anyone that may not be happy about this move.. the New Jersey Nets have just upped their offer to NeNe to 4 years and $70 million, which is absolutely unreal money. We are getting West for 3 years and 27-29 million and I think West and NeNe are almost equal as players.

[Who]

The Hornets should be demanding the Clippers or two future first round picks in exchange for signing and trading David West.

They should be demanding it, and Ainge should tell them "I'll give you a protected first, take it or leave it, cuz West could always leave for nothing. N O T H I N G." Then hang up the phone.

One first round pick isn't worth taking on all that extra salary.

Not unless Jermaine O'Neal is agreeing to waive all money owed to him. In which case, one pick would be more than satisfactory. Maybe even the Cavs second rounder (from Erden trade) would suffice.

Basically what NO should be looking to do is pick up Bradley for kicks, the best 1st they can, and $3 million to pay JO (about half his salary).  Then even if they cut JO, it only costs them $3 million out of pocket, about the price of a 1st rounder, and they get Bradley for free.  That's the equivalent of 2 1sts for the price of one.

Or they can flip JO to a contender, which is likely...Perhaps LA to make up for losing Gasol?

Agreed -- Bradley + a future first is equivalent of two firsts

That would/should be an acceptable trade package for New Orleans.

The Hornets don't have much leverage here. They are not resigning David West. They can't take on any salary otherwise the Chris Paul trade will not be able to be made. David West might have interest from other teams in the Hornets division, so all the Hornets are doing is facilitating the move to Boston, they don't want any money coming on to the books. I do think they will get an unprotected 2nd round pick, for their efforts. This happens all the time. The Mavs are doing the same thing with Tyson Chandler. They are signing and trading him to the knicks for nothing in return, not an unusual occurance.

They Hornets do have leverage.

They have to take back salary in order to facilitate this trade. If they didn't have to take back salary, or they were taking back quality players (like J.Green or even B.Bass instead of JO), then they would have little to no leverage here.

But they are choosing to pay $4-6 million out of their pocket to make this trade happens so they'll need a return on that investment. Which, if the package is JO + S.Pavlovic, should be additional draft picks.

They have no reason -- and actually have reasons against (the $4-6 million) -- making this trade without receiving more incentive from the C's.

[Smokeeye123]

For anyone that may not be happy about this move.. the New Jersey Nets have just upped their offer to NeNe to 4 years and $70 million, which is absolutely unreal money. We are getting West for 3 years and 27-29 million and I think West and NeNe are almost equal as players.

What a waste...So much for getting Dwight...

[Who]

For anyone that may not be happy about this move.. the New Jersey Nets have just upped their offer to NeNe to 4 years and $70 million, which is absolutely unreal money. We are getting West for 3 years and 27-29 million and I think West and NeNe are almost equal as players.

Wow, what is that, $17.5 million a year? For Nene? Jeez ...