Celtics were close to signing David West

[YouGotRondo d]

gwashburn14 gary washburn
If you're a #celtics fan, you should root for the CP3 trade to go through because I'm hearing that's what's holding up the David West trade

I think the Paul deal goes through and this shortly after

I think the West move is linked to the Paul move. So, I think they go through at the same time, or even West first then Paul. I think the hold up is getting Stern to sign off on the whole thing.

Don't know what Stern's logic is on that one. If Paul walks, and NO gets nothing, they might as well be contracted.

With the package of players they got they will still be a legit threat in the West.

[Roy H.]

gwashburn14 gary washburn
If you're a #celtics fan, you should root for the CP3 trade to go through because I'm hearing that's what's holding up the David West trade

I think the Paul deal goes through and this shortly after

I think the West move is linked to the Paul move. So, I think they go through at the same time, or even West first then Paul. I think the hold up is getting Stern to sign off on the whole thing.

Don't know what Stern's logic is on that one. If Paul walks, and NO gets nothing, they might as well be contracted.

With the package of players they got they will still be a legit threat in the West.

A legit threat to be the 7th or 8th seed, and be stuck in mediocrity with no stars on their roster and no realistic chance of winning for the foreseeable future.

They'd be better off rebuilding around younger guys on reasonable contracts. 

[Jon]

I've pondered whether or not trading for West would be a good idea or not, and I've come to the conclusion it would not be a good idea.

Maybe had we not traded Baby for Bass, we could have traded Baby for West.  Too late though now.  As it stands, if we do make this deal, we will have no starting center.  You do not win championships without a legitimate starting center.  KG is NOT a center, never has been.  None of the other PFs on our roster are even remotely capable of being considerd a starting center either.

Just as some background, here is a list of the last decade+ of starting centers for each NBA champion.

Chandler-Dallas
Bynum-LA
Bynum-LA
Perkins-Boston
Duncan-SA
Shaq-Miami
Duncan-SA
Wallace-Detroit
Robinson-SA
Shaq-LA
Shaq-LA
Shaq-LA
Robinson-SA

Here's who our bigs would be:  KG, West, Bass, Wilcox, Johnson. Not a single one of these guys are a legitimate starting center.

Bad idea!

You forgot the immortal Franciso Elson and Fabrico Olberto. They were the Cs for SAS in 06-07

And the fact that Perkins wasn't amazing in 07-08 and only played low 20s in the games. Bynum was the same due to injury and ineffective play in 08-09 and 09-10

Exactly.

And let's not forget that it was the undersized KG at the 5 and Posey at the 4 lineup that often closed out games when we won it all.  So you could make the argument that this team already has won a title with KG at center.

[celtsfan84]

Wait, why do we need a conventional legit center?

Wasn't it Miami that beat us in the playoffs last year?  Are we really all that afraid by how we are going to defend Joel Anthony?  Here are our lineup options and theirs:

Chalmers - Rondo
Wade - Ray
LeBron - Pierce
Bosh - West or KG
Anthony - West or KG

If they decide to go small with Mike Miller, Shane Battier, or James Jones, then we still match up.  Who cares who defends Joel Anthony?

Plus, if Duncan counts as a Center, and if Ben Wallace is 6'9, we can count KG as a Center.

[TA9]

Done Deal West

3 years 28M

Welcome to Boston David West

Source?

Yeah, sources or links with all reports, please.

There is no source cause this deal isnt over yet.
This however is the update on the sign and trade situation;
"If you're a #celtics fan, you should root for the CP3 trade to go through because I'm hearing that's what's holding up the David West trade - Gary Washburn"

There is a possibility that the "3 team trade" will become a "4 team trade" With JO heading to Lakers and us receiving David West..

[KGs Knee]

Wait, why do we need a conventional legit center?

Wasn't it Miami that beat us in the playoffs last year?  Are we really all that afraid by how we are going to defend Joel Anthony?  Here are our lineup options and theirs:

Chalmers - Rondo
Wade - Ray
LeBron - Pierce
Bosh - West or KG
Anthony - West or KG

If they decide to go small with Mike Miller, Shane Battier, or James Jones, then we still match up.  Who cares who defends Joel Anthony?

Plus, if Duncan counts as a Center, and if Ben Wallace is 6'9, we can count KG as a Center.

When I say legitimate center, I am not referring to height or wieght.  I am talking about style of play.  Duncan has always been more of a center than a PF.  Its a fact whether anybody cares to recognize it or not.  Ben Wallace, while short, played as a low post presence.

KG, West, and Bass do not play this way.  They are perimeter oriented PFs.  Wilcox is the closest to being a center of any of these guys.

[YouGotRondo d]

gwashburn14 gary washburn
If you're a #celtics fan, you should root for the CP3 trade to go through because I'm hearing that's what's holding up the David West trade

I think the Paul deal goes through and this shortly after

I think the West move is linked to the Paul move. So, I think they go through at the same time, or even West first then Paul. I think the hold up is getting Stern to sign off on the whole thing.

Don't know what Stern's logic is on that one. If Paul walks, and NO gets nothing, they might as well be contracted.

With the package of players they got they will still be a legit threat in the West.

A legit threat to be the 7th or 8th seed, and be stuck in mediocrity with no stars on their roster and no realistic chance of winning for the foreseeable future.

They'd be better off rebuilding around younger guys on reasonable contracts. 

It would be hit or miss. With this trade they'll still have a nice assortment of draft picks which they could use to move up in the draft.

Take a team full of really good vets, add one potential superstar and you have a legit contender. NO got lucky one time.

OTOH, look at a team like Minnesota. By your logic they should be a Finals contender this year. They'll be lucky to sniff .500.

Of course, Kahn isn't helping them by continuing to hoard all his players instead of packaging them for an elite player..

[jv2764]

Done Deal West

3 years 28M

Welcome to Boston David West

Source?

Yeah, sources or links with all reports, please.

There is no source cause this deal isnt over yet.
This however is the update on the sign and trade situation;
"If you're a #celtics fan, you should root for the CP3 trade to go through because I'm hearing that's what's holding up the David West trade - Gary Washburn"

There is a possibility that the "3 team trade" will become a "4 team trade" With JO heading to Lakers and us receiving David West..

Done deal as soon as the CP3 trade is approved by his Emminence. 

[BballTim]

Wait, why do we need a conventional legit center?

Wasn't it Miami that beat us in the playoffs last year?  Are we really all that afraid by how we are going to defend Joel Anthony?  Here are our lineup options and theirs:

Chalmers - Rondo
Wade - Ray
LeBron - Pierce
Bosh - West or KG
Anthony - West or KG

If they decide to go small with Mike Miller, Shane Battier, or James Jones, then we still match up.  Who cares who defends Joel Anthony?

Plus, if Duncan counts as a Center, and if Ben Wallace is 6'9, we can count KG as a Center.

When I say legitimate center, I am not referring to height or wieght.  I am talking about style of play.  Duncan has always been more of a center than a PF.  Its a fact whether anybody cares to recognize it or not.  Ben Wallace, while short, played as a low post presence.

KG, West, and Bass do not play this way.  They are perimeter oriented PFs.  Wilcox is the closest to being a center of any of these guys.

  Are you talking about offense or defense?

[KGs Knee]

Crud, just realized the time.  Got to head to work, i would love to talk about our center issue more, but gotta make that money.

I'll be waiting to see what happens though.

[cman88]

theres probably more signings coming...I cant imagine the C's starting the season with 1 center(Wilcox)...get a SG and another center.

either way, theres not too many teams in the East who have Bigs that our guys couldnt handle. the 2 strongest teams in the east are the Bulls with undersized Noah and the Heat who really have no one.

I can imagine that KG could defend those guys, and David West could go head to head against them.

[Roy H.]

gwashburn14 gary washburn
If you're a #celtics fan, you should root for the CP3 trade to go through because I'm hearing that's what's holding up the David West trade

I think the Paul deal goes through and this shortly after

I think the West move is linked to the Paul move. So, I think they go through at the same time, or even West first then Paul. I think the hold up is getting Stern to sign off on the whole thing.

Don't know what Stern's logic is on that one. If Paul walks, and NO gets nothing, they might as well be contracted.

With the package of players they got they will still be a legit threat in the West.

A legit threat to be the 7th or 8th seed, and be stuck in mediocrity with no stars on their roster and no realistic chance of winning for the foreseeable future.

They'd be better off rebuilding around younger guys on reasonable contracts. 

It would be hit or miss. With this trade they'll still have a nice assortment of draft picks which they could use to move up in the draft.

Take a team full of really good vets, add one potential superstar and you have a legit contender. NO got lucky one time.

OTOH, look at a team like Minnesota. By your logic they should be a Finals contender this year. They'll be lucky to sniff .500.

Of course, Kahn isn't helping them by continuing to hoard all his players instead of packaging them for an elite player..

I'm curious:  where did my logic say the Twolves would be Finals contenders this year? 

And how often is a mediocre team able to trade mediocre draft picks to move up into the top-tier of a great draft?

[celtsfan84]

Perkins played for 13 minutes in three of our four wins against the Lakers in 08.

You could argue that we won a title without a legit Center.

In a 48 minute game, our legit Center played 23, 13, 13, 13 minutes.  In the NBA Finals.

Was the style of play of James Posey similar to Duncan in those lineups?  I would say no.  We already won a title with KG at Center.

[Who]

JO has a trade kicker which is 7.5% so when he is traded his contract will be 6.9 million on the hornets. But if they send him to LA would they still add an additional 7.5% on his new salary which will become 7.2 million ?

I am not 100% sure but I think a trade kicker only kicks in once. Not on multiple occasions.

But I am not completely certain about that.

[wdleehi]

Perkins played for 13 minutes in three of our four wins against the Lakers in 08.

You could argue that we won a title without a legit Center.

In a 48 minute game, our legit Center played 23, 13, 13, 13 minutes.  In the NBA Finals.

Was the style of play of James Posey similar to Duncan in those lineups?  I would say no.  We already won a title with KG at Center.

And the game he didn't play was the only game the Laker big men showed up for. 


Having Perk's size helped this team win that year. 

Not having size is a concern for the Celtics. 

But this trade helps the Celtics.  JO could not be trusted to be there and healthy.