Misc Signings and Trades

[Roy H.]

In the new scenario, Gasol would go to New Orleans — after which, according to the source, he would almost certainly be re-routed elsewhere for other assets, most notably more Draft picks for the Hornets. (One place that would not be is Boston; New Orleans does not have interest in a potential Celtics package involving guard Rajon Rondo, according to the source, who also dismissed reports on Tuesday that the Hornets would be interested in taking guard Mo Williams from the Clippers in exchange for forward Trevor Ariza.)

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/12/14/source-cp3-to-clips-hung-up-in-standoff/?ls=iref:nbahpt2

Fair to say that we value Rondo a lot more then anyone else. We talk about a bargain contract but he might be a little overpaid. I wonder what he could command on the open market...

So the Hornets could have had Pau and Odom, but now they're going to settle for just Pau?  Rather than take Eric Gordon and/or Minnesota's pick, plus a bunch of other pieces?

Yeah, I don't see it.

[Kane3387]

In the new scenario, Gasol would go to New Orleans — after which, according to the source, he would almost certainly be re-routed elsewhere for other assets, most notably more Draft picks for the Hornets. (One place that would not be is Boston; New Orleans does not have interest in a potential Celtics package involving guard Rajon Rondo, according to the source, who also dismissed reports on Tuesday that the Hornets would be interested in taking guard Mo Williams from the Clippers in exchange for forward Trevor Ariza.)

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/12/14/source-cp3-to-clips-hung-up-in-standoff/?ls=iref:nbahpt2

Fair to say that we value Rondo a lot more then anyone else. We talk about a bargain contract but he might be a little overpaid. I wonder what he could command on the open market...

So the Hornets could have had Pau and Odom, but now they're going to settle for just Pau?  Rather than take Eric Gordon and/or Minnesota's pick, plus a bunch of other pieces?

Yeah, I don't see it.

Neither do I, but the point of the post was the part about Rondo. I don't understand how, with all he has accomplished the last couple years, his stock could be so low..

[Fafnir]

In the new scenario, Gasol would go to New Orleans — after which, according to the source, he would almost certainly be re-routed elsewhere for other assets, most notably more Draft picks for the Hornets. (One place that would not be is Boston; New Orleans does not have interest in a potential Celtics package involving guard Rajon Rondo, according to the source, who also dismissed reports on Tuesday that the Hornets would be interested in taking guard Mo Williams from the Clippers in exchange for forward Trevor Ariza.)

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/12/14/source-cp3-to-clips-hung-up-in-standoff/?ls=iref:nbahpt2

Fair to say that we value Rondo a lot more then anyone else. We talk about a bargain contract but he might be a little overpaid. I wonder what he could command on the open market...

So the Hornets could have had Pau and Odom, but now they're going to settle for just Pau?  Rather than take Eric Gordon and/or Minnesota's pick, plus a bunch of other pieces?

Yeah, I don't see it.

Neither do I, but the point of the post was the part about Rondo. I don't understand how, with all he has accomplished the last couple years, his stock could be so low..

He's not a scorer, above all in basketball scoring is valued, so different GMs have wildly different outlooks on him as a player.

Its funny because even the optimistic projections of Eric Gordon have Rondo as a better player now, and for the future.

[BballTim]

In the new scenario, Gasol would go to New Orleans — after which, according to the source, he would almost certainly be re-routed elsewhere for other assets, most notably more Draft picks for the Hornets. (One place that would not be is Boston; New Orleans does not have interest in a potential Celtics package involving guard Rajon Rondo, according to the source, who also dismissed reports on Tuesday that the Hornets would be interested in taking guard Mo Williams from the Clippers in exchange for forward Trevor Ariza.)

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/12/14/source-cp3-to-clips-hung-up-in-standoff/?ls=iref:nbahpt2

Fair to say that we value Rondo a lot more then anyone else. We talk about a bargain contract but he might be a little overpaid. I wonder what he could command on the open market...

So the Hornets could have had Pau and Odom, but now they're going to settle for just Pau?  Rather than take Eric Gordon and/or Minnesota's pick, plus a bunch of other pieces?

Yeah, I don't see it.

Neither do I, but the point of the post was the part about Rondo. I don't understand how, with all he has accomplished the last couple years, his stock could be so low..

  I don't know that one GM's opinion is necessarily everyone's opinion. The Magic value Glen Davis much more than they value Brandon Bass. Does that mean that Baby's seen as much more valuable than Bass throughout the league? Danny wanted Bass instead of Baby. Does that mean that Bass is seen as more valuable than Baby throughout the league? Maybe each is seen as more valuable than the other at the same time?

[Kane3387]

In the new scenario, Gasol would go to New Orleans — after which, according to the source, he would almost certainly be re-routed elsewhere for other assets, most notably more Draft picks for the Hornets. (One place that would not be is Boston; New Orleans does not have interest in a potential Celtics package involving guard Rajon Rondo, according to the source, who also dismissed reports on Tuesday that the Hornets would be interested in taking guard Mo Williams from the Clippers in exchange for forward Trevor Ariza.)

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/12/14/source-cp3-to-clips-hung-up-in-standoff/?ls=iref:nbahpt2

Fair to say that we value Rondo a lot more then anyone else. We talk about a bargain contract but he might be a little overpaid. I wonder what he could command on the open market...

So the Hornets could have had Pau and Odom, but now they're going to settle for just Pau?  Rather than take Eric Gordon and/or Minnesota's pick, plus a bunch of other pieces?

Yeah, I don't see it.

Neither do I, but the point of the post was the part about Rondo. I don't understand how, with all he has accomplished the last couple years, his stock could be so low..

  I don't know that one GM's opinion is necessarily everyone's opinion. The Magic value Glen Davis much more than they value Brandon Bass. Does that mean that Baby's seen as much more valuable than Bass throughout the league? Danny wanted Bass instead of Baby. Does that mean that Bass is seen as more valuable than Baby throughout the league? Maybe each is seen as more valuable than the other at the same time?

I don't know if that was truly valuing BBD more though. That seemed like a please Dwight Howard kind of thing.

A league source said Howard also requested that Smith acquire Glen "Big Baby" Davis from the Celtics, which he did in recent days in a trade for Brandon Bass.

"He's been as involved as any superstar on any team," the league source said.

[Kane3387]

In the new scenario, Gasol would go to New Orleans — after which, according to the source, he would almost certainly be re-routed elsewhere for other assets, most notably more Draft picks for the Hornets. (One place that would not be is Boston; New Orleans does not have interest in a potential Celtics package involving guard Rajon Rondo, according to the source, who also dismissed reports on Tuesday that the Hornets would be interested in taking guard Mo Williams from the Clippers in exchange for forward Trevor Ariza.)

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/12/14/source-cp3-to-clips-hung-up-in-standoff/?ls=iref:nbahpt2

Fair to say that we value Rondo a lot more then anyone else. We talk about a bargain contract but he might be a little overpaid. I wonder what he could command on the open market...

So the Hornets could have had Pau and Odom, but now they're going to settle for just Pau?  Rather than take Eric Gordon and/or Minnesota's pick, plus a bunch of other pieces?

Yeah, I don't see it.

I think they would value that trade exception and being able to drop a contract like Ariza more then they would Odom. I agree I would want the Minny pick AND Gordon more. However dropping a contract like Arizas and then flipping Gasol might be something they would rather do then taking one or the other of Gordon and the Minny pick.

[nickagneta]

Its funny because even the optimistic projections of Eric Gordon have Rondo as a better player now, and for the future.

Exactly who's projections are those because I would have to call those projections into question.

Gordon has been among the best pure shooting SGs in the league since he arrived 3 years ago. His passing and all-around offensive game has improved greatly over that time and he's a very solid defender. Ultimately you probably want to see him become a better rebounder but he is a bit undersized for his position.

Gordon could be a perennial 25 PPG scorer for the next half decade or more and in my eyes that will place him above Rondo as an overall NBA player. To be honest, if starting a team right now, I would probably select Gordon over Rondo as the multi-talented PG seems to be in great abundance both around the league and in the college ranks whereas a pure shooting, high efficiency SG that has very good passing abilities and can play some defense is getting harder to find.

[barefacedmonk]

Reggie Williams has agreed to a two-year deal, $5 million deal with Charlotte, a league source tells Y! Sports.

- Adrian Wojnarowski

[LooseCannon]

Rip has cleared waivers. Sounds like he'll be at #Bulls practice on Thursday after 2/$10M deal is finalized.

@KCJHoop

How is it that Chicago has that much money to spend? i don't get it....

Two years for $10 million total or $5 million per year.  I've also see three years and $15 million mentioned.

Anyways, that is the size of the MLE.  The Bulls are not in the luxury tax so they have the full amount.

[Cman]

Rip has cleared waivers. Sounds like he'll be at #Bulls practice on Thursday after 2/$10M deal is finalized.

@KCJHoop

How is it that Chicago has that much money to spend? i don't get it....

Two years for $10 million total or $5 million per year.  I've also see three years and $15 million mentioned.

Anyways, that is the size of the MLE.  The Bulls are not in the luxury tax so they have the full amount.

Aha, yes, I see they are a bit below it (it is about $70M, they are in the high $60Ms). I didn't realize it was so high.

[Celtics18]

In the new scenario, Gasol would go to New Orleans — after which, according to the source, he would almost certainly be re-routed elsewhere for other assets, most notably more Draft picks for the Hornets. (One place that would not be is Boston; New Orleans does not have interest in a potential Celtics package involving guard Rajon Rondo, according to the source, who also dismissed reports on Tuesday that the Hornets would be interested in taking guard Mo Williams from the Clippers in exchange for forward Trevor Ariza.)

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/12/14/source-cp3-to-clips-hung-up-in-standoff/?ls=iref:nbahpt2

Fair to say that we value Rondo a lot more then anyone else. We talk about a bargain contract but he might be a little overpaid. I wonder what he could command on the open market...

So the Hornets could have had Pau and Odom, but now they're going to settle for just Pau?  Rather than take Eric Gordon and/or Minnesota's pick, plus a bunch of other pieces?

Yeah, I don't see it.

Neither do I, but the point of the post was the part about Rondo. I don't understand how, with all he has accomplished the last couple years, his stock could be so low..

He's not a scorer, above all in basketball scoring is valued, so different GMs have wildly different outlooks on him as a player.

Its funny because even the optimistic projections of Eric Gordon have Rondo as a better player now, and for the future.

Really, we are talking about one GM, in particular, who undervalues Rondo.  Personally, I'm glad Del Demps doesn't value Rondo more than he does.

Also, I think there's a good chance that Stern put a quiet nix on any Boston deal after blocking a Paul to the Lakers trade, knowing that it would simply look too fishy. 

[dtrader]

In the new scenario, Gasol would go to New Orleans — after which, according to the source, he would almost certainly be re-routed elsewhere for other assets, most notably more Draft picks for the Hornets. (One place that would not be is Boston; New Orleans does not have interest in a potential Celtics package involving guard Rajon Rondo, according to the source, who also dismissed reports on Tuesday that the Hornets would be interested in taking guard Mo Williams from the Clippers in exchange for forward Trevor Ariza.)

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/12/14/source-cp3-to-clips-hung-up-in-standoff/?ls=iref:nbahpt2

Fair to say that we value Rondo a lot more then anyone else. We talk about a bargain contract but he might be a little overpaid. I wonder what he could command on the open market...

So the Hornets could have had Pau and Odom, but now they're going to settle for just Pau?  Rather than take Eric Gordon and/or Minnesota's pick, plus a bunch of other pieces?

Yeah, I don't see it.

Neither do I, but the point of the post was the part about Rondo. I don't understand how, with all he has accomplished the last couple years, his stock could be so low..

He's not a scorer, above all in basketball scoring is valued, so different GMs have wildly different outlooks on him as a player.

Its funny because even the optimistic projections of Eric Gordon have Rondo as a better player now, and for the future.

Really, we are talking about one GM, in particular, who undervalues Rondo.  Personally, I'm glad Del Demps doesn't value Rondo more than he does.

Also, I think there's a good chance that Stern put a quiet nix on any Boston deal after blocking a Paul to the Lakers trade, knowing that it would simply look too fishy. 

Why would you say it's only 1 GM?  Ainge was searching for 3rd teams (and maybe 4th) to try to make something work.  If he was able to find a 3rd team that valued Rondo as highly as he's valued on this board, we probably would have been able to make a strong enough offer to get the deal done.  He wasnt.

[Celtics18]

In the new scenario, Gasol would go to New Orleans — after which, according to the source, he would almost certainly be re-routed elsewhere for other assets, most notably more Draft picks for the Hornets. (One place that would not be is Boston; New Orleans does not have interest in a potential Celtics package involving guard Rajon Rondo, according to the source, who also dismissed reports on Tuesday that the Hornets would be interested in taking guard Mo Williams from the Clippers in exchange for forward Trevor Ariza.)

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/12/14/source-cp3-to-clips-hung-up-in-standoff/?ls=iref:nbahpt2

Fair to say that we value Rondo a lot more then anyone else. We talk about a bargain contract but he might be a little overpaid. I wonder what he could command on the open market...

So the Hornets could have had Pau and Odom, but now they're going to settle for just Pau?  Rather than take Eric Gordon and/or Minnesota's pick, plus a bunch of other pieces?

Yeah, I don't see it.

Neither do I, but the point of the post was the part about Rondo. I don't understand how, with all he has accomplished the last couple years, his stock could be so low..

He's not a scorer, above all in basketball scoring is valued, so different GMs have wildly different outlooks on him as a player.

Its funny because even the optimistic projections of Eric Gordon have Rondo as a better player now, and for the future.

Really, we are talking about one GM, in particular, who undervalues Rondo.  Personally, I'm glad Del Demps doesn't value Rondo more than he does.

Also, I think there's a good chance that Stern put a quiet nix on any Boston deal after blocking a Paul to the Lakers trade, knowing that it would simply look too fishy. 

Why would you say it's only 1 GM?  Ainge was searching for 3rd teams (and maybe 4th) to try to make something work.  If he was able to find a 3rd team that valued Rondo as highly as he's valued on this board, we probably would have been able to make a strong enough offer to get the deal done.  He wasnt.

People are making a lot of assumptions here.  As far as I understood it, we were in the running for a Chris Paul trade until the Lakers trade was shot down by the league. 

Despite what all the "sources" on twitter accounts everywhere say about this, that and the other, I'm not going to claim to have any real knowledge of what went down in all these negotiations regarding Chris Paul over this aborted off-season.

In the end, I'm just thrilled that we still have our point guard, and he gets to go out on the court in a green uniform and attempt to prove a lot of people wrong . . . which is what he's been doing all his career.

Making matters even better is the fact that the Lakers have had a comically turmoiled filled and troubled off-season, having their prize acquisition grasped from them by the league, and then losing one of their leaders for nothing in the fallout.   

[nickagneta]

People are making a lot of assumptions here.  As far as I understood it, we were in the running for a Chris Paul trade until the Lakers trade was shot down by the league. 

Despite what all the "sources" on twitter accounts everywhere say about this, that and the other, I'm not going to claim to have any real knowledge of what went down in all these negotiations regarding Chris Paul over this aborted off-season.

I don't think anyone is saying they knew for sure what was happening behind the scenes but if you follow the media stories over the last couple of times that Rondo has been shopped, it's pretty apparent that Rondo isn't nearly as valued by some GMs as he is here in Boston or by many on this board.

There are numerous reports of New Orleans showing very little to zero interest in Rondo. Indiana wanted him but wasn't about to part with Paul George to get him. Paul George?!?! Really?!?!?! And as much as the Celtics shopped him for  a third party,no one bit. Why? Because great young PGs in the NBA are becoming a dime a dozen.

Williams, Paul, Rose, Rondo, Westbrook, Wall, Irving, Conley, Curry, Parker, Lowry, Holiday, Lawson, Evans, Rubio, Stuckey etc, etc. I think the list of teams without a great PG is shorter than the list with a great PG.

Conjecture? Made up stuff by media people looking for a headline? Possibly, but these same reporters have a long history of accurately reporting the news and having deep connections internally in most if not all NBA cities. I'm pretty sure they aren't going to ruin their reputations as quality reporters by stating such and such GM isn't interested in Rondo.

[barefacedmonk]

Bulls officially announce the signing of Rip Hamilton. It's a three-year deal with two fully guaranteed.

- Ken Berger