Chris Brousard - "CP3 won't sign an extension with the c's"

[Evantime34]

I really dont like Chris Paul compared to Rondo.. Seriously.
I mean Rondo is a better passer, rebounder, defender compared to Paul.
The only thing Paul does better than Rondo right know is Shooting and Scoring the ball.
Paul is a better shooter. And i doubt Rondo will be as good as Paul because of his big hands, but scoring the ball.. Chris takes alot of shots night in and night out. Rondo rarely shoots the ball because he wants everybody involved. What happened last time Rondo shot the ball? In the 2009 Playoffs Rondo had ALOT of high scoring games.

I hate admitting it, but Rondo can not score consistently like that anymore.

Anymore? How old do you think he is? You can say a lot of things about Rondo but that he is regressing is not one.

[Tgro]

Screw CP3 if he don't want to play for the Celtics!!!

Next!!!

Let's kick the crap out of him the next time we play him! Hate all these guys being able to force where they want to play. Seems like the new CBA didn't fix that problem. NBA is gonna just have 4-8 super teams like it always has had and the rest are just going to really suck for years to come like they always did.

[j804]

I really dont like Chris Paul compared to Rondo.. Seriously.
I mean Rondo is a better passer, rebounder, defender compared to Paul.
The only thing Paul does better than Rondo right know is Shooting and Scoring the ball.
Paul is a better shooter. And i doubt Rondo will be as good as Paul because of his big hands, but scoring the ball.. Chris takes alot of shots night in and night out. Rondo rarely shoots the ball because he wants everybody involved. What happened last time Rondo shot the ball? In the 2009 Playoffs Rondo had ALOT of high scoring games.

I hate admitting it, but Rondo can not score consistently like that anymore.

Anymore? How old do you think he is? You can say a lot of things about Rondo but that he is regressing is not one.

What does age have to do with anything? all I'm saying is he hasn't been able to score and finish at the rim consistent like he's shown he can before for a while. He can return to that this year maybe who knows just my opinion.

[birdwatcher]

Does it matter if he resigns long term?
The idea is that this is the last year with the Big 3 and they have an opportunity to upgrade the PG position. Why not do it? If we win another ring, it seems well worth it, and if we don't, well we've cleared a huge question mark off our team along with a ton of cap space. The Question obviously being "what is Rondo without 3 Hall of Famers?". Why rebuild around a great talent that is streaky, can't shoot and has a severe attitude problem? I love watching the guy play but I'm scared of what will happen when he's asked to carry a team for 82 games. In fact, he's so aggressive yet slight in frame that I bet he avg 60-65 games a year for his career because of injuries. If you take away his aggression, you've taken away his game. So I say pull the trigger if you can, regardless if CP3 will commit to the future. Win now. I'm prepared for a couple nasty "bridge years". I don't want to stay competitive enough to get tossed in the first round every year, ala the Patriots of the last 5 years.

[Jon]

Does it matter if he resigns long term?
The idea is that this is the last year with the Big 3 and they have an opportunity to upgrade the PG position. Why not do it? If we win another ring, it seems well worth it, and if we don't, well we've cleared a huge question mark off our team along with a ton of cap space. The Question obviously being "what is Rondo without 3 Hall of Famers?". Why rebuild around a great talent that is streaky, can't shoot and has a severe attitude problem? I love watching the guy play but I'm scared of what will happen when he's asked to carry a team for 82 games. In fact, he's so aggressive yet slight in frame that I bet he avg 60-65 games a year for his career because of injuries. If you take away his aggression, you've taken away his game. So I say pull the trigger if you can, regardless if CP3 will commit to the future. Win now. I'm prepared for a couple nasty "bridge years". I don't want to stay competitive enough to get tossed in the first round every year, ala the Patriots of the last 5 years.

I tend to agree.  I'm very curious to see what the Big Three look like with a PG who can shoot in there with them.  There have been times this team has looked very effective with Delonte running things, simply because defenses can't cheat off of him.  If you could combine Delonte's shooting with Rondo's passing, you'd essentially have Chris Paul.  And that could make the Big Three look significantly better than they already look. 

And you're right, if he walks, we clear a ton of cap space and can really start rebuilding in earnest. 

I'd roll the dice.  At this point, everything's a pretty big gamble after this year. 

[Neurotic Guy]

The idea behind it is that Paul wants to be on perennial contender. This team however is on its last legs as contenders. He's not going to sign an extension unless he gets traded to a team that's ready to contend from day one and able to keep contending for the next 4-5 years. It only makes sense to trade for him if you feel you have a really great shot at luring in Howard.

But think of it this way -- if he goes to the C's and smartly does not sign an extension it works for the C's AND Paul because there are only 2 realistic options after this season:

1. The C's sign a max FA and then sign CP.

2. The C's use CP in a S&T.  This happens because CP will ONLY be able to go where he wants (NY) via a Sign and Trade as NY will not have the cap space to sign him anywhere close to a max deal.   NJ (Brooklyn) will have space, but they have Deron unless he opts out -- in which case, the C's would have a chance to get him.

Worst case scenario is that the C's end 2012 in pure rebuilding mode with picks and lots of cap space.

[Neurotic Guy]

They should, since it would be just about only PP left under contract at that point. And I believe they would have Bird rights to resign KG and Ray as well. That would pretty much be the perfect scenario.

We wouldn't have Bird rights to KG or Ray; we'd have to renounce them to get cap space in the first place.  We could then re-sign them with any remaining cap space, or sign them to minimum contracts.

Does this apply to CP if he is traded to the C's and does not sign an extension?  In other words, let's say the C's end the season with enough cap space for one Max FA and some left over but not enough for a second Max guy (this seems like the way it will be).   If I am understanding what you wrote above they could sign DH but then could not sign CP to a max deal using Bird rights -- since they had to renounce him they could only sign him with the remaining $$ under the cap.   Is this correct?

[cman88]

no one should be surprised...Cp3 is Not coming to boston.

its pretty common knowlege that he wants to go to NYC and is going to pull a Melo or Lebron and leave NO dry to go where he wants...NO team is going to throw away their future for a 1year rental.

this may actually be danny blowing up smoke to motivate Rondo....for a PG who proclaims he is "the best" his boss is basically telling him hes not good enough...thats got to eat at him

[GreenEnvy]

I really dont like Chris Paul compared to Rondo.. Seriously.
I mean Rondo is a better passer, rebounder, defender compared to Paul.
The only thing Paul does better than Rondo right know is Shooting and Scoring the ball.
Paul is a better shooter. And i doubt Rondo will be as good as Paul because of his big hands, but scoring the ball.. Chris takes alot of shots night in and night out. Rondo rarely shoots the ball because he wants everybody involved. What happened last time Rondo shot the ball? In the 2009 Playoffs Rondo had ALOT of high scoring games.

Let's be honest: Paul is the better player.

Rondo may be the flashier passer, but they are equally effective. Rondo is unquestionably a better rebounder, but I don't want to need my PG ripping down boards, leave that to capable bigs. Rondo's defense is arguably the best in the NBA at PG, but Chris Paul isn't far behind. Our defense would be great with any PG.

But our problem is stagnant offense. Chris Paul unquestionably fixes that. The improvement he would bring to the offense is greater than what he would take away from defense and rebounding compared to Rondo, IMHO.


Now the question is obviously do you make a deal (most likely a 3-team one apparently) for possibly one run?

Normally I say no, but I think Ainge would do it. He has shown in the past that he gambled with trading their pick for Ray to land KG. Bring him here and - maybe playing in a city like Boston, with the Big Three, with all the banners in the rafters and all the HoFer's walking around, he changes his mind.

We don't even know what the new rules of the CBA yet, maybe we would be able to offer significantly more money (if Bird Rules still apply to traded players in the final year of their contract). If we lock him up, we could definitely ink D12 next summer if we can fit him under the cap.

Worst case scenario, we have a legit (albeit only one) chance at #18 this season.

[Celtics4ever]

On a team as bad we are at rebounding , we need every board we can get.

[CelticsFanNC]

  I believe Danny Ainge is too smart to trade for Chris Paul without and extension.

  Either way your headed into rebuilding/reloading mode after this season.  I don't trade away the only player on this roster with decent trade value around the NBA for a one year rental. 

That is such short sighted thinking. Going for it this season and not caring about the future is fine for fans but consistently successful organizations don't think that way. 

  I'm not against trading Rondo by any means.  I'd trade Paul Pierce if it made the team better now and in the future.

  I completely against trading away Rondo for a one year rental of a guy who doesn't want to be here.  It's not a recipe for success it is a recipe for disappointment.

[GreenEnvy]

On a team as bad we are at rebounding , we need every board we can get.

That's like not wanting to move a Center because he can pass well, yet has no post moves and doesn't know how to box out.

Besides, you really think Rondo makes a significant difference in rebounding?

[GreenEnvy]

 I believe Danny Ainge is too smart to trade for Chris Paul without and extension.

  Either way your headed into rebuilding/reloading mode after this season.  I don't trade away the only player on this roster with decent trade value around the NBA for a one year rental.  

That is such short sighted thinking. Going for it this season and not caring about the future is fine for fans but consistently successful organizations don't think that way.  

  I'm not against trading Rondo by any means.  I'd trade Paul Pierce if it made the team better now and in the future.

  I completely against trading away Rondo for a one year rental of a guy who doesn't want to be here.  It's not a recipe for success it is a recipe for disappointment.

Rondo doesn't appear to have the potential to be best player on a championship team. I'd even argue no PG (unless you are Magic Johnson) could be.

You want to ride him for the next 5 years to mediocrity? While every other star is out recruiting other stars, what is he doing? Skateboarding? EDIT: It's rollerskating that he likes to do, right? Lol.

I'm fine with keeping him, and I'm also fine with moving him for enhancing our chance at not only another championship, but Dwight too.

A recipe for success (and by that, I mean a championship) is a PG who can set up his All-Star/HoF teammates or takeover the scoring burden when needed. I firmly believe our offense would be far and away the most efficient one in the league with CP3 while also maintaining our elite/best defense.

[cman88]

  I believe Danny Ainge is too smart to trade for Chris Paul without and extension.

  Either way your headed into rebuilding/reloading mode after this season.  I don't trade away the only player on this roster with decent trade value around the NBA for a one year rental. 

That is such short sighted thinking. Going for it this season and not caring about the future is fine for fans but consistently successful organizations don't think that way. 

  I'm not against trading Rondo by any means.  I'd trade Paul Pierce if it made the team better now and in the future.

  I completely against trading away Rondo for a one year rental of a guy who doesn't want to be here.  It's not a recipe for success it is a recipe for disappointment.

Rondo doesn't appear to have the potential to be best player on a championship team. I'd even argue no PG (unless you are Magic Johnson) could be.

You want to ride him for the next 5 years to mediocrity? While every other star is out recruiting other stars, what is he doing? Skateboarding?

I'm fine with keeping him, and I'm also fine with moving him for enhancing our chance at not only another championship, but Dwight.

A recipe for success (and by that, I mean a championship) is a PG who can set up his All-Star/HoF teammates or takeover the scoring burden when needed. I firmly believe our offense would be far and away the most efficient one in the league with CP3 while also maintaining our elite/best defense.

theres alot of holes in your argument.

first off, you want CP3, but then say no PG has lead a team to a championship being the best player on the team...its a contradiction. it would seem to say that we dont need a "superstar scoring" pg

second, isnt rondo a PG who CAN set up his all-star/HOF teammates?? he was the leader in assists by a longshot for 3/4 of the season until injuries/slump where he played horrible

and how can you not say rondo cant recruit stars? Josh smith has said he wants to play with rondo, other players have as well. Rondo-Howard would be a contendor just as CP3-Howard would be.

[CeltsAcumen]

Rumor has it CP3 wants to go to LA and play for the Clippers.  LOL!

Ok, NEXT!  Any player who is actively trying to become a LA Clipper is not smart enough to be a Boston Celtic.

Have fun dealing with Donald Sterling, having no hot water in the shower, begging the Lakers for practice time at Staples and trying to teach Blake Griffin how to score without dunking.

Is D. Williams available?