Chris Brousard - "CP3 won't sign an extension with the c's"

[GreenEnvy]

  Sorry I try to deal in reality.  Reality is there is almost zero chance Boston gets both Paul and Howard.

  Are you guys also going to criticize Ainge when he doesn't live up to your pipe dreams?   

  You need assets to build a great team.  Ainge has shown that once.  He accumulated various assets and turned them into gold.  Right now I don't believe the Celtics have the kind of assets that will eventually land Chris Paul and Dwight Howard in other cities.

  If Ainge can get an extension I am all for trading Rondo for Paul and quite a few others but not for a one and done.  I wouldn't do it with out assurances that you're not trading your only young asset for a guy who may or may not make you better short term and wont be here more then one year. 

  Competent organizations play the percentages.  The percentages are stacked pretty high against either Howard or Paul landing in Boston in the near future.
 

I agree that the odds of landing both are slim, but not impossible - unless the CBA changes drastically.

I think Ainge could find a way to get Paul without an extension, probably with another team involved.

I still don't know what assets he had then that he doesn't have now? He has several different size expiring contracts (JO $6M, Ray $10M, KG $21M). He has young, unproven "talent" (Bradley, Johnson). He has a lottery pick (granted, it's protected). He could do S&T's with Green and BBD. O yeah, and he has a young All-Star who is locked up at a good price.

And if they were to get CP3 - assuming we have the cap space available - we don't need assets. We need to sell the idea of playing here. And CP3 enhances those chances too, just like he does our current odds to win a championship.


I can understand why he wouldn't do it for KG because he'd be giving up 7 players for a complete unknown. Pulling the trigger for potentially just one year of CP3 makes more sense because of how close we are to winning another championship. We win, and him leaving is even more unlikely.

Sure it is a lot of maybe's and what if's, but I still don't know exactly what we lose. We saw Pierce with a bunch of nothing, and Rondo with a bunch of nothing would be much worse.

I'd take a swing for the fences at another championship and potentially changing the future of this franchise with new superstars. If it doesn't work out, Ainge can spend like a drunken sailor OR start the process all over again.

What "competent" organizations are always in contention by playing these secret percentages? The Lakers are the only team I can think of that don't have extended dry runs, and the Spurs haven't under Duncan's watch, but unless they luck out on a third #1 pick, their time is coming. Every other team has been terrible in recent memory.

[hpantazo]

I asked this last night, but why would NO negotiate this far with Danny and waste his time if they didn't even ask CP if he would sign an extension if traded to boston?

[BballTim]

lol at Brousard.  If you remember KG said the same thing in 07 about not wanting to come to Boston.   Here's the link to the espn article  dated june 23, 2007

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2912075

  We had to make a significant improvement to the team to attract KG. Do we have a Wally/Delonte/pick for Ray Allen up our sleeve before we try and get CP3?

  You dont have to, this team with Paul has a better chance to win it this year IMO and if Paul doesnt re sign it's more cap space to rebuild which you would be doing anyway when KG & Ray gone. I dont see Rondo elevating his game to be a huge scorer which he would have to be with no big 3.  If Rondo was on another team IMO he would not be as effective as he is playing with 3 HOFers.  And I think Doc is done with him as well.  You think Rondo's moody now,  what's he gonna be when this team goes down to 40 wins as early as next year.  Rondo cant carry a team like CP3 can. I say you do the trade anyway and try to convince Paul to resign.  Dont discount Doc. I'll bet he can convince Paul to stay. Cause i dont see this team signing D12 as a free agent,  now if Paul is here long term?  I like our chances better to get D12 in green

  Rondo will be effective as long as he's on a team with decent scorers. You think he wouldn't be as effective without 3 HOFers. It's fairly obvious that they wouldn't be as effective without Rondo. Did you see how they looked against Miami when Rondo was injured or when Delonte was in the game? *That's* your HOF trio at this stage in their career. Rondo can score, but he doesn't carry a team by scoring a ton of points. He gets players on his team better shots so they score easier baskets. He makes the players around him better. That's a reasonably rare skill.

[GreenEnvy]

I asked this last night, but why would NO negotiate this far with Danny and waste his time if they didn't even ask CP if he would sign an extension if traded to boston?

From what I heard earlier, New Orleans doesn't even want Rondo.

I'm sure this is purely "we can start talking about the NBA again so let's run with whatever we heard whispers of."

But if the offer presents itself, Ainge has a big decision to make.

[hpantazo]

I asked this last night, but why would NO negotiate this far with Danny and waste his time if they didn't even ask CP if he would sign an extension if traded to boston?

From what I heard earlier, New Orleans doesn't even want Rondo.

I'm sure this is purely "we can start talking about the NBA again so let's run with whatever we heard whispers of."

But if the offer presents itself, Ainge has a big decision to make.

your probably right on this

[Liam W]

I asked this last night, but why would NO negotiate this far with Danny and waste his time if they didn't even ask CP if he would sign an extension if traded to boston?

From what I heard earlier, New Orleans doesn't even want Rondo.

I'm sure this is purely "we can start talking about the NBA again so let's run with whatever we heard whispers of."

But if the offer presents itself, Ainge has a big decision to make.

Ainge needs to trade Ray Allen + Get rid of KG because we have the oldest roster in the league.

Ainge + Rivers are key here to a massive rebiulding project that is about to go down

[chambers]

I asked this last night, but why would NO negotiate this far with Danny and waste his time if they didn't even ask CP if he would sign an extension if traded to boston?

Well they haven't negotiated at all yet.
Danny is just putting out feelers like a good GM does.
He will get a response and it looks like he has.
Now he doesn't have to worry about Rondo losing his emotional stability that's taken so long to build back up after losing Perk.
Find out early if there's a chance of getting Paul.
Now he's found out there isn't, so he has to move on to the Dwight Howard plan.

[GreenEnvy]

On a team as bad we are at rebounding , we need every board we can get.

That's like not wanting to move a Center because he can pass well, yet has no post moves and doesn't know how to box out.

Besides, you really think Rondo makes a significant difference in rebounding?

  In the playoffs, if you look at players that have played 20 or more games, he's one of the 10 best rebounding guards of all time. He also led the team in rpg against the Lakers in the finals in 2010.

What does that even mean?

Do you really think he ripped so many boards away from opposing teams? Rebounds that no other PG could but himself could get? Paul isn't exactly House or Nate on the glass.

Besides, those numbers are inflated because we didn't have a PF in 2009.

No doubt he is a good rebounder for his position. But no PG is going to make a poor rebounding team a good one, or in our case, an awful one a bad one. Bigs define how good a rebounding team you are, not wing players.

He scoops in and grabs them from our own guys half the time to start the break. Once every few games does he actually grab one that only he can.

Our rebounding numbers would not vary much (if at all) with CP3 instead of Rondo.

[GreenEnvy]

I asked this last night, but why would NO negotiate this far with Danny and waste his time if they didn't even ask CP if he would sign an extension if traded to boston?

From what I heard earlier, New Orleans doesn't even want Rondo.

I'm sure this is purely "we can start talking about the NBA again so let's run with whatever we heard whispers of."

But if the offer presents itself, Ainge has a big decision to make.

Ainge needs to trade Ray Allen + Get rid of KG because we have the oldest roster in the league.

Ainge + Rivers are key here to a massive rebiulding project that is about to go down

I don't know about all that.

We need to modify this team, not blow it up. With Shaq and Rondo healthy, we probably run through the East and maybe off Dallas too.

Now, if we get CP3 and need to move Ray and/or KG to obtain Dwight, then Ainge should highly consider it. Otherwise, they are still premier players at their positions and can definitely be the core of a championship team.

[hpantazo]

I asked this last night, but why would NO negotiate this far with Danny and waste his time if they didn't even ask CP if he would sign an extension if traded to boston?

From what I heard earlier, New Orleans doesn't even want Rondo.

I'm sure this is purely "we can start talking about the NBA again so let's run with whatever we heard whispers of."

But if the offer presents itself, Ainge has a big decision to make.

Ainge needs to trade Ray Allen + Get rid of KG because we have the oldest roster in the league.

Ainge + Rivers are key here to a massive rebiulding project that is about to go down

I don't know about all that.

We need to modify this team, not blow it up. With Shaq and Rondo healthy, we probably run through the East and maybe off Dallas too.

Now, if we get CP3 and need to move Ray and/or KG to obtain Dwight, then Ainge should highly consider it. Otherwise, they are still premier players at their positions and can definitely be the core of a championship team.

I agree. I think blowing the team up this year doesn't make much sense. Next year is the big reshuffling year. Give the big 3 one last run. A healthy Rondo and JO or Shaq and we would have been in the finals again last year.

[Liam W]

I asked this last night, but why would NO negotiate this far with Danny and waste his time if they didn't even ask CP if he would sign an extension if traded to boston?

From what I heard earlier, New Orleans doesn't even want Rondo.

I'm sure this is purely "we can start talking about the NBA again so let's run with whatever we heard whispers of."

But if the offer presents itself, Ainge has a big decision to make.

Ainge needs to trade Ray Allen + Get rid of KG because we have the oldest roster in the league.

Ainge + Rivers are key here to a massive rebiulding project that is about to go down

I don't know about all that.

We need to modify this team, not blow it up. With Shaq and Rondo healthy, we probably run through the East and maybe off Dallas too.

Now, if we get CP3 and need to move Ray and/or KG to obtain Dwight, then Ainge should highly consider it. Otherwise, they are still premier players at their positions and can definitely be the core of a championship team.

I agree. I think blowing the team up this year doesn't make much sense. Next year is the big reshuffling year. Give the big 3 one last run. A healthy Rondo and JO or Shaq and we would have been in the finals again last year.

Yeah that what I meant bro. I agree with you again, Give the Big 3 one last shot at this, and then go hard next season in Free Agency.

It would make more sense though to Trade either KG or Allen to get some players back in return, say like an OJ Mayo etc

We already have Rondo (hopefully) + Jeff Green (will probably return) in place, now another "Big name" is defintley needed to turn this Team on its head, the same as it did in 07

[xmuscularghandix]

Do what you have to do to get Chris Paul, i don't care if he's agreeing to a extension or not.

If you get Paul here for one year you can sweep him off his feet. Paul, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, O'Neal is a contender and IMO it could be the difference to get Boston past Miami. A PG with more scoring could add years on to Ray and KG's careers.

[Eddie20]

Why do I get the sense that Paul, like probably the majority of NBA players, doesn't fully realize the cap space the C's will have next season? He might be thinking this in terms of current roster for next year, and obviously the Knicks, with Amare & Melo, are more attractive than an aging Big 3. However, our ability financially to pair him with  Dwight Howard and to also be able to offer him more money (if he re-signs) than another team can if they sign him through free agency should definitely be able to sway things in our favor.

[BballTim]

On a team as bad we are at rebounding , we need every board we can get.

That's like not wanting to move a Center because he can pass well, yet has no post moves and doesn't know how to box out.

Besides, you really think Rondo makes a significant difference in rebounding?

  In the playoffs, if you look at players that have played 20 or more games, he's one of the 10 best rebounding guards of all time. He also led the team in rpg against the Lakers in the finals in 2010.

What does that even mean?

Do you really think he ripped so many boards away from opposing teams? Rebounds that no other PG could but himself could get? Paul isn't exactly House or Nate on the glass.

Besides, those numbers are inflated because we didn't have a PF in 2009.

No doubt he is a good rebounder for his position. But no PG is going to make a poor rebounding team a good one, or in our case, an awful one a bad one. Bigs define how good a rebounding team you are, not wing players.

He scoops in and grabs them from our own guys half the time to start the break. Once every few games does he actually grab one that only he can.

Our rebounding numbers would not vary much (if at all) with CP3 instead of Rondo.

  That's a pretty nonsensical post. Of course he ripped quite a few rebounds away from the other team. The point isn't that he's the only point guard that *can* get a lot of the rebounds, it's that he's the one who *does*. You can say that playing without a good rebounding pf skewed his numbers, but plenty of point guards play with a weak rebounding big. Rondo's 10 boards a game in those playoffs helped keep the Celts from getting beat on the boards that year, I seriously doubt that you'll ever see a similar effort from Paul.

[CelticHooligan3]

Why do I get the sense that Paul, like probably the majority of NBA players, doesn't fully realize the cap space the C's will have next season? He might be thinking this in terms of current roster for next year, and obviously the Knicks, with Amare & Melo, are more attractive than an aging Big 3. However, our ability financially to pair him with  Dwight Howard and to also be able to offer him more money (if he re-signs) than another team can if they sign him through free agency should definitely be able to sway things in our favor.

This is a really good point TP. Outside of all us hools here on CB it hasnt really been covered or discussed in the media how well a job Danny has done to set this team up for the future. Not even our own media here in New England has done that great a job of letting the national media and fans know the fact that we are in top contention to at least make all these blockbuster dream scenarios an actual possibility. We need to get the word out better to sell guys on comeing to Boston. I check RealGM daily and i cant recall to many articles from local writers discussing our ideal position Danny has worked so hard to put us in. Where are you Kermit? I mean A. Sherod Blakely...