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Re: Some interesting notes on Rondos jumpshooting from ESPN
« Reply #90 on: August 31, 2011, 04:08:51 PM »

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Sorry Tim. DJ is not in that graduating class with Rondo and Gentle Ben.
 
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Re: Some interesting notes on Rondos jumpshooting from ESPN
« Reply #91 on: August 31, 2011, 05:45:25 PM »

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However, Rondo clearly has potential to be a much bigger scorer after the big 3 are gone.  He showed glimpses of being able to carry a team in the 09 playoffs.  His lack of a jumpshot isn't a huge issue, there are plenty of good scoring PGs in the league with bad jumpers.

Who is a good, efficient scoring PG with a bad jumper?  Rondo is easily the worst shooting PG in basketball.  Fortunately he also happens to be one of the best finishing at the rim.  

As far as being a bigger scorer, yeah I think he can too because he's a shotmaker but can he be an efficient one?  I don't think so unless he can shoot something like 52 percent or better from the field.  Not being able to shoot threes or free throws makes it really hard for him to be an efficient scorer.  
Rose, Westbrook, Evans (combo guard), Jennings, Parker, Wall, Stuckey (combo), and Harris.  Those are all guys who live in the paint and scored 5-10+ more points last year than Rondo.  Rondo might be more efficient than a couple of those guys, but he needs to maintain that efficiency after the big 3 leave and his attempts go up.  Andre Miller is another guy that was a decent scorer for the 76ers.

Bottom line is you don't need a jump shot to become a good scorer in the NBA.  Dwyane Wade, a former scoring champ, never took jump shots his first few years in the league.  Rondo can, and most likely will, become a better scorer, and that should really be the next step that he takes.  It's much more attainable for him than becoming a better shooter.

Worth noting, all of those guys with the exception of Jennings and Parker are significantly bigger than Rondo (can play more physically without taking as much of a beating), and are still significantly better jump shooters.

Which is why I compared Rondo's scoring potential to Parker, not any of those other guys.

Saying a PG can't be a good or efficient scorer without a good jumpshot is obviously false.  Not true for SGs or SFs either.
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Re: Some interesting notes on Rondos jumpshooting from ESPN
« Reply #92 on: August 31, 2011, 06:24:22 PM »

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However, Rondo clearly has potential to be a much bigger scorer after the big 3 are gone.  He showed glimpses of being able to carry a team in the 09 playoffs.  His lack of a jumpshot isn't a huge issue, there are plenty of good scoring PGs in the league with bad jumpers.

Who is a good, efficient scoring PG with a bad jumper?  Rondo is easily the worst shooting PG in basketball.  Fortunately he also happens to be one of the best finishing at the rim. 

As far as being a bigger scorer, yeah I think he can too because he's a shotmaker but can he be an efficient one?  I don't think so unless he can shoot something like 52 percent or better from the field.  Not being able to shoot threes or free throws makes it really hard for him to be an efficient scorer. 
Rose, Westbrook, Evans (combo guard), Jennings, Parker, Wall, Stuckey (combo), and Harris.  Those are all guys who live in the paint and scored 5-10+ more points last year than Rondo.  Rondo might be more efficient than a couple of those guys, but he needs to maintain that efficiency after the big 3 leave and his attempts go up.  Andre Miller is another guy that was a decent scorer for the 76ers.

Bottom line is you don't need a jump shot to become a good scorer in the NBA.  Dwyane Wade, a former scoring champ, never took jump shots his first few years in the league.  Rondo can, and most likely will, become a better scorer, and that should really be the next step that he takes.  It's much more attainable for him than becoming a better shooter.

Worth noting, all of those guys with the exception of Jennings and Parker are significantly bigger than Rondo (can play more physically without taking as much of a beating), and are still significantly better jump shooters.

Which is why I compared Rondo's scoring potential to Parker, not any of those other guys.

Saying a PG can't be a good or efficient scorer without a good jumpshot is obviously false.  Not true for SGs or SFs either.

Agreed.  What I'm arguing is that is does effect their longevity in the league because scoring without a jumpshot as a guard requires constant driving into contact.

So if Rondo develops a scorer's mentality after the Big 3 retire, we may find that he is able to score 15-20 points a night without greatly reduced efficiency; however, I think it is fair to question how long he will be able to play at a high level doing that.

Very, very few players who are on the small side for their position and are below average jumpshooters remain effective past their late 20's / early 30's.  Even Allen Iverson, who was a top scorer for such a long while, saw his career go down the tubes very quickly.  Dwyane Wade faces a similar threat to his longevity unless he can develop a refined post-up game and improve his outside jumpshot.

The reason I make a point of this is because those who defend Rondo seem to be arguing that it makes sense for the Celtics to commit to him as the face of the franchise long term after the Big 3 have retired.  Even assuming Rondo is able to continue to thrive without being surrounded by so much talent, I think it is fair to question the wisdom of entering what amounts to a rebuilding phase with a point guard who, it seems, may be headed for a swift decline after another 4-5 years.
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Re: Some interesting notes on Rondos jumpshooting from ESPN
« Reply #93 on: August 31, 2011, 10:05:36 PM »

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You may be right, but I think you're jumping the gun a little.  He's just entering his prime.  Who knows what he's capable of, he's already shown he has a decent post game.  I mean you can't just count somebody out because their small.  It depends on the person, not the size of the person.  Are you saying that Nash has only survived this long because of his shooting, despite all the contact he's played through?

I just don't see how they're related.

If your argument is that constantly initiating contact affects longevity in the league, then I don't even see what Rondo has to worry about.
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Re: Some interesting notes on Rondos jumpshooting from ESPN
« Reply #94 on: August 31, 2011, 10:14:05 PM »

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You may be right, but I think you're jumping the gun a little.  He's just entering his prime.  Who knows what he's capable of, he's already shown he has a decent post game.  I mean you can't just count somebody out because their small.  It depends on the person, not the size of the person.  Are you saying that Nash has only survived this long because of his shooting, despite all the contact he's played through?

I just don't see how they're related.

If your argument is that constantly initiating contact affects longevity in the league, then I don't even see what Rondo has to worry about.

Nash certainly wouldn't still be playing at or near an All-Star level if he weren't a phenomenal shooter, no.  The fact that he's as big as he is (6'3'') has probably helped with the contact a little, too.  I mean, Steve Nash is a freak.  It's kind of a mystery how he's managed to keep so healthy, but not having to take a lot of contact in order to be effective definitely helps him a lot.


My argument is that having to rely on a quick first step and athleticism while also initiating a lot of contact affects longevity in the league.  Rondo definitely has something to worry about there, because all of the times that he takes his game to another level (e.g. the triple doubles in the playoffs), he plays with reckless abandon and self-sacrifice.  Because of his size and his lack of shooting, that's what he needs to do in order to score, get all of those rebounds and steals, and sluice through defenders to make pretty passes. 

I just don't see how he can keep that up once his quickness starts to fade.  On top of that, as he gets older he'll only have more and more injury issues as a result of his play style.
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Re: Some interesting notes on Rondos jumpshooting from ESPN
« Reply #95 on: September 01, 2011, 01:42:23 PM »

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I can agree with the losing quickness=fast decline argument, but I still don't see how shooting and withstanding contact are related.  Just because someone can shoot doesn't necessarily mean they stop driving as they age.




Marquis is a 6'6" PG who collapses at the slightest touch.

Nash didn't play through a swollen-shut eye because he can shoot.  So what if he's two inches taller than Rondo?  He's an unathletic, 170lb Canadian.  He's also a tough mother-trucker who has never once been scared to draw physical contact.

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Re: Some interesting notes on Rondos jumpshooting from ESPN
« Reply #96 on: September 01, 2011, 02:06:45 PM »

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However, Rondo clearly has potential to be a much bigger scorer after the big 3 are gone.  He showed glimpses of being able to carry a team in the 09 playoffs.  His lack of a jumpshot isn't a huge issue, there are plenty of good scoring PGs in the league with bad jumpers.

Who is a good, efficient scoring PG with a bad jumper?  Rondo is easily the worst shooting PG in basketball.  Fortunately he also happens to be one of the best finishing at the rim. 

As far as being a bigger scorer, yeah I think he can too because he's a shotmaker but can he be an efficient one?  I don't think so unless he can shoot something like 52 percent or better from the field.  Not being able to shoot threes or free throws makes it really hard for him to be an efficient scorer. 
Rose, Westbrook, Evans (combo guard), Jennings, Parker, Wall, Stuckey (combo), and Harris.  Those are all guys who live in the paint and scored 5-10+ more points last year than Rondo.  Rondo might be more efficient than a couple of those guys, but he needs to maintain that efficiency after the big 3 leave and his attempts go up.  Andre Miller is another guy that was a decent scorer for the 76ers.

Bottom line is you don't need a jump shot to become a good scorer in the NBA.  Dwyane Wade, a former scoring champ, never took jump shots his first few years in the league.  Rondo can, and most likely will, become a better scorer, and that should really be the next step that he takes.  It's much more attainable for him than becoming a better shooter.

Worth noting, all of those guys with the exception of Jennings and Parker are significantly bigger than Rondo (can play more physically without taking as much of a beating), and are still significantly better jump shooters.

Which is why I compared Rondo's scoring potential to Parker, not any of those other guys.

Saying a PG can't be a good or efficient scorer without a good jumpshot is obviously false.  Not true for SGs or SFs either.

Agreed.  What I'm arguing is that is does effect their longevity in the league because scoring without a jumpshot as a guard requires constant driving into contact.

So if Rondo develops a scorer's mentality after the Big 3 retire, we may find that he is able to score 15-20 points a night without greatly reduced efficiency; however, I think it is fair to question how long he will be able to play at a high level doing that.

Very, very few players who are on the small side for their position and are below average jumpshooters remain effective past their late 20's / early 30's.  Even Allen Iverson, who was a top scorer for such a long while, saw his career go down the tubes very quickly.  Dwyane Wade faces a similar threat to his longevity unless he can develop a refined post-up game and improve his outside jumpshot.

The reason I make a point of this is because those who defend Rondo seem to be arguing that it makes sense for the Celtics to commit to him as the face of the franchise long term after the Big 3 have retired.  Even assuming Rondo is able to continue to thrive without being surrounded by so much talent, I think it is fair to question the wisdom of entering what amounts to a rebuilding phase with a point guard who, it seems, may be headed for a swift decline after another 4-5 years.

  Here's a list of all the nba players who have averaged 7 assists a game and played more than 800 games:

  http://bkref.com/tiny/sTMiW

  There are big players, small players, fast players, slow players, good shooters, bad shooters, and more than half of them averaged less than 15 points a game. I don't think it's more rare for point guards like Rondo to have long careers than point guards like Nash.

Re: Some interesting notes on Rondos jumpshooting from ESPN
« Reply #97 on: September 01, 2011, 02:35:46 PM »

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Re: Some interesting notes on Rondos jumpshooting from ESPN
« Reply #98 on: September 01, 2011, 04:44:28 PM »

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I can agree with the losing quickness=fast decline argument, but I still don't see how shooting and withstanding contact are related.  Just because someone can shoot doesn't necessarily mean they stop driving as they age.




Marquis is a 6'6" PG who collapses at the slightest touch.

Nash didn't play through a swollen-shut eye because he can shoot.  So what if he's two inches taller than Rondo?  He's an unathletic, 170lb Canadian.  He's also a tough mother-trucker who has never once been scared to draw physical contact.

It all depends on the player.

Pretty easy to play at a high level offensively ala Los Nash when you throw your teammates under the bus completely on the defensive end.

Also conducive to getting eliminated by teams who prioritize playing both ends of the court.

Re: Some interesting notes on Rondos jumpshooting from ESPN
« Reply #99 on: September 01, 2011, 05:20:08 PM »

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I can agree with the losing quickness=fast decline argument, but I still don't see how shooting and withstanding contact are related.  Just because someone can shoot doesn't necessarily mean they stop driving as they age.




Marquis is a 6'6" PG who collapses at the slightest touch.

Nash didn't play through a swollen-shut eye because he can shoot.  So what if he's two inches taller than Rondo?  He's an unathletic, 170lb Canadian.  He's also a tough mother-trucker who has never once been scared to draw physical contact.

It all depends on the player.

Pretty easy to play at a high level offensively ala Los Nash when you throw your teammates under the bus completely on the defensive end.

Also conducive to getting eliminated by teams who prioritize playing both ends of the court.
Rondo initiates way more contact on defense than he does driving to the basket.  That's a much bigger concern (see playoffs), if either are at all .
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« Reply #100 on: September 01, 2011, 05:37:46 PM »

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However, Rondo clearly has potential to be a much bigger scorer after the big 3 are gone.  He showed glimpses of being able to carry a team in the 09 playoffs.  His lack of a jumpshot isn't a huge issue, there are plenty of good scoring PGs in the league with bad jumpers.

Who is a good, efficient scoring PG with a bad jumper?  Rondo is easily the worst shooting PG in basketball.  Fortunately he also happens to be one of the best finishing at the rim. 

As far as being a bigger scorer, yeah I think he can too because he's a shotmaker but can he be an efficient one?  I don't think so unless he can shoot something like 52 percent or better from the field.  Not being able to shoot threes or free throws makes it really hard for him to be an efficient scorer. 
Rose, Westbrook, Evans (combo guard), Jennings, Parker, Wall, Stuckey (combo), and Harris.  Those are all guys who live in the paint and scored 5-10+ more points last year than Rondo.  Rondo might be more efficient than a couple of those guys, but he needs to maintain that efficiency after the big 3 leave and his attempts go up.  Andre Miller is another guy that was a decent scorer for the 76ers.

Bottom line is you don't need a jump shot to become a good scorer in the NBA.  Dwyane Wade, a former scoring champ, never took jump shots his first few years in the league.  Rondo can, and most likely will, become a better scorer, and that should really be the next step that he takes.  It's much more attainable for him than becoming a better shooter.

Worth noting, all of those guys with the exception of Jennings and Parker are significantly bigger than Rondo (can play more physically without taking as much of a beating), and are still significantly better jump shooters.

Which is why I compared Rondo's scoring potential to Parker, not any of those other guys.

Saying a PG can't be a good or efficient scorer without a good jumpshot is obviously false.  Not true for SGs or SFs either.

Agreed.  What I'm arguing is that is does effect their longevity in the league because scoring without a jumpshot as a guard requires constant driving into contact.

So if Rondo develops a scorer's mentality after the Big 3 retire, we may find that he is able to score 15-20 points a night without greatly reduced efficiency; however, I think it is fair to question how long he will be able to play at a high level doing that.

Very, very few players who are on the small side for their position and are below average jumpshooters remain effective past their late 20's / early 30's.  Even Allen Iverson, who was a top scorer for such a long while, saw his career go down the tubes very quickly.  Dwyane Wade faces a similar threat to his longevity unless he can develop a refined post-up game and improve his outside jumpshot.

The reason I make a point of this is because those who defend Rondo seem to be arguing that it makes sense for the Celtics to commit to him as the face of the franchise long term after the Big 3 have retired.  Even assuming Rondo is able to continue to thrive without being surrounded by so much talent, I think it is fair to question the wisdom of entering what amounts to a rebuilding phase with a point guard who, it seems, may be headed for a swift decline after another 4-5 years.

If we are working on the assumption that Rondo has finished developing as a player, you may be right.  That just seems to be an absurd assumption.

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I just find this whole discussion quite amazing sometimes.  Rondo came into the league as a peculiarly talented late bloomer.  Season after season he's made his game larger and better.  Yes, there have been ups and down, and not every aspect of his game has been on an unbroken upwards trend line, but the overall trend is not only clear, but dramatic.    This is a kid who was in mvp consideration for a good chunk of last season.  That's quite a leap for someone who looked like he might not have a place in the league his first season.  Yes, last season ended badly, but we all know how disrupted things were, and why.  So why don't we stop looking this gift horse in the mouth, huh?  We are lucky to have such a talented guy to build the future of our team around.  Of course there's no guarantee that Rondo will rocket into the future as the superstar some of us think he can be, and maybe he'll even fall on his face, but I don't remember many sure things other than Lebron, and even Lebron can be said to have fallen on his face in some ways.  No player is perfect and no brilliant future is ever guaranteed.  But, based on what we have seen so far, we have a heckuva hopeful start with Rondo.

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I just find this whole discussion quite amazing sometimes.  Rondo came into the league as a peculiarly talented late bloomer.  Season after season he's made his game larger and better.  Yes, there have been ups and down, and not every aspect of his game has been on an unbroken upwards trend line, but the overall trend is not only clear, but dramatic.    This is a kid who was in mvp consideration for a good chunk of last season.  That's quite a leap for someone who looked like he might not have a place in the league his first season.  Yes, last season ended badly, but we all know how disrupted things were, and why.  So why don't we stop looking this gift horse in the mouth, huh?  We are lucky to have such a talented guy to build the future of our team around.  Of course there's no guarantee that Rondo will rocket into the future as the superstar some of us think he can be, and maybe he'll even fall on his face, but I don't remember many sure things other than Lebron, and even Lebron can be said to have fallen on his face in some ways.  No player is perfect and no brilliant future is ever guaranteed.  But, based on what we have seen so far, we have a heckuva hopeful start with Rondo.
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I just find this whole discussion quite amazing sometimes.  Rondo came into the league as a peculiarly talented late bloomer.  Season after season he's made his game larger and better.  Yes, there have been ups and down, and not every aspect of his game has been on an unbroken upwards trend line, but the overall trend is not only clear, but dramatic.    This is a kid who was in mvp consideration for a good chunk of last season.  That's quite a leap for someone who looked like he might not have a place in the league his first season.  Yes, last season ended badly, but we all know how disrupted things were, and why.  So why don't we stop looking this gift horse in the mouth, huh?  We are lucky to have such a talented guy to build the future of our team around.  Of course there's no guarantee that Rondo will rocket into the future as the superstar some of us think he can be, and maybe he'll even fall on his face, but I don't remember many sure things other than Lebron, and even Lebron can be said to have fallen on his face in some ways.  No player is perfect and no brilliant future is ever guaranteed.  But, based on what we have seen so far, we have a heckuva hopeful start with Rondo.
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« Reply #104 on: September 01, 2011, 10:00:48 PM »

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I just find this whole discussion quite amazing sometimes.  Rondo came into the league as a peculiarly talented late bloomer.  Season after season he's made his game larger and better.  Yes, there have been ups and down, and not every aspect of his game has been on an unbroken upwards trend line, but the overall trend is not only clear, but dramatic.    This is a kid who was in mvp consideration for a good chunk of last season.  That's quite a leap for someone who looked like he might not have a place in the league his first season.  Yes, last season ended badly, but we all know how disrupted things were, and why.  So why don't we stop looking this gift horse in the mouth, huh?  We are lucky to have such a talented guy to build the future of our team around.  Of course there's no guarantee that Rondo will rocket into the future as the superstar some of us think he can be, and maybe he'll even fall on his face, but I don't remember many sure things other than Lebron, and even Lebron can be said to have fallen on his face in some ways.  No player is perfect and no brilliant future is ever guaranteed.  But, based on what we have seen so far, we have a heckuva hopeful start with Rondo.

P.C., I'm going to be honest, and please understand I mean no offense, but I hardly ever do more than glance at your posts because you never break them up into smaller paragraphs.  a tiny wall of text is not fun to read through, especially when i do enough of that for school.  ;)




  There are big players, small players, fast players, slow players, good shooters, bad shooters, and more than half of them averaged less than 15 points a game. I don't think it's more rare for point guards like Rondo to have long careers than point guards like Nash.


long careers?  perhaps that's true.  but long careers where they play at an all-star level past their late 20's / early 30's?  the list of players is likely much smaller there, and the list of such point guards who played at a high level past their late 20's who weren't out and out superstars to begin with seems to me to be even smaller.





If we are working on the assumption that Rondo has finished developing as a player, you may be right.  That just seems to be an absurd assumption.

I'm not sure how absurd it really is.  I think it is not unreasonable to think that Rondo might significantly improve his outside shooting as he ages, though I doubt he'll ever be able to create his own shot from outside or anything.  Certainly other weak shooters like Jason Kidd have been able to do that in their later years.  We might expect Rondo to reign in his game and reduce his turnovers, or improve his discipline as a man defender instead of ranging around gambling for so many steals.

I think it's unreasonable to think that after 5-6 years in the league he's going to really take his game as a whole to an entirely different level.  Almost all players, especially guards, and especially players who have received as much playing time in their first few seasons as Rondo has, have pretty much become who they are going to be as players by their mid 20's. 

That's why I think that what you see is what you get with Rondo, for the most part, other than the kind of basic improvements you see as most well disciplined, hard working players age.  There's certainly nothing wrong with that; Rondo is a very good player.  But expecting him to blossom into a MVP-caliber superstar in the next couple of years is pretty silly, in my opinion.

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