CB DRAFT FINALS THREAD: Sixers Win!!!!!!!

[KCattheStripe]

I mean Roy, we just saw the best team defense in the actual NBA with Wade on it, lose because it had the exact same holes.

It was the 5th best team defense, and that team lost because their best player produced at a much lower level than normal.

A) It was their second best player.

B) by my estimation, the 76ers are the 4th or 5th best defensive team. And even Lebron in the playoffs is a higher calibre performance than what Iggy produces on average. especially in the playoffs.

[Roy H.]

I mean Roy, we just saw the best team defense in the actual NBA with Wade on it, lose because it had the exact same holes.

What holes?  PG?  C?  Bench?  My team doesn't have those.

Waiting for you to name a better defense too.

Spurs, Oklahoma City and the Kings had better team defenses.

Varejo is a hole defensively at the C, way more thanAnthony. D West is more of a hole than Bosh at PF and Hinirich is a comprable defensive player at this point in his career to Chalmers. Your best bench player is Kenyon Martin, there's was James Jones. Really not that different defensively.

Varejao played exclusively at center last season. He had the 11th best points allowed per possession in the entire NBA.  On post ups, he was also 11th in the NBA, allowing an anemic .64 points per post-up.  

Varejao was one of the best defenders in the entire league last year, and he did that from the center position.  There's really no justification for calling him a weak defender.

(For comparison's sake, Joel Anthony was the 149th best defender on post-ups in terms of points allowed per possession.  Andrew Bogut was 93rd, although Bogut's impact extends beyond the stat sheet.)

[mgent]

Chalmers only started 28 games last year, I considered him their backup.  Arroyo was the starter for the first 50 games or so and then it was Bibby at the end of the season and into the playoffs.

Wasn't Chalmers first start like Game 4 or 5 of the Finals?

[KCattheStripe]

I mean Roy, we just saw the best team defense in the actual NBA with Wade on it, lose because it had the exact same holes.

What holes?  PG?  C?  Bench?  My team doesn't have those.

Waiting for you to name a better defense too.

Spurs, Oklahoma City and the Kings had better team defenses.

Varejo is a hole defensively at the C, way more thanAnthony. D West is more of a hole than Bosh at PF and Hinirich is a comprable defensive player at this point in his career to Chalmers. Your best bench player is Kenyon Martin, there's was James Jones. Really not that different defensively.

Varejao played exclusively at center last season. He had the 11th best points allowed per possession in the entire NBA.  On post ups, he was also 11th in the NBA, allowing an anemic .64 points per post-up. 

Varejao was one of the best defenders in the entire league last year, and he did that from the center position.  There's really no justification for calling him a weak defender.

How about the fact he played 31 games last year, only 3 of which were against legitimate low post threats. One against Howard, Al Jeff and Marc Gasol.

[KCattheStripe]

Chalmers only started 28 games last year, I considered him their backup.  Arroyo was the starter for the first 50 games or so and then it was Bibby at the end of the season and into the playoffs.

Wasn't Chalmers first start like Game 4 or 5 of the Finals?

Yeah, But Chalmers averaged 24 mpg in 3 out of 4 series. Bibby Averaged 20 per.

[KCattheStripe]

I thinK varejo's defense at the 5 is getting greatly overblown, especially in an era with few legitimate low post options. He is fine against the Kendrick Perkins' of the world, but stick him on a center with actual moves and or speed and he's not that good.

[mgent]

Chalmers only started 28 games last year, I considered him their backup.  Arroyo was the starter for the first 50 games or so and then it was Bibby at the end of the season and into the playoffs.

Wasn't Chalmers first start like Game 4 or 5 of the Finals?

Yeah, But Chalmers averaged 24 mpg in 3 out of 4 series. Bibby Averaged 20 per.

Whatever, Hinrch is still a better defender and shooter than Chalmers.  He gives them the range that House and Bibby gave the Heat, plus a ton more defense.

[KCattheStripe]

Chalmers only started 28 games last year, I considered him their backup.  Arroyo was the starter for the first 50 games or so and then it was Bibby at the end of the season and into the playoffs.

Wasn't Chalmers first start like Game 4 or 5 of the Finals?

Yeah, But Chalmers averaged 24 mpg in 3 out of 4 series. Bibby Averaged 20 per.

Whatever, Hinrch is still a better defender and shooter than Chalmers.  He gives them the range that House and Bibby gave the Heat, plus a ton more defense.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/87127-mario-chalmers-scorching-defense-keeps-miami-heats-future-bright


Chalmers gets burn specifically for his defense.

[Roy H.]

I mean Roy, we just saw the best team defense in the actual NBA with Wade on it, lose because it had the exact same holes.

What holes?  PG?  C?  Bench?  My team doesn't have those.

Waiting for you to name a better defense too.

Spurs, Oklahoma City and the Kings had better team defenses.

Varejo is a hole defensively at the C, way more thanAnthony. D West is more of a hole than Bosh at PF and Hinirich is a comprable defensive player at this point in his career to Chalmers. Your best bench player is Kenyon Martin, there's was James Jones. Really not that different defensively.

Varejao played exclusively at center last season. He had the 11th best points allowed per possession in the entire NBA.  On post ups, he was also 11th in the NBA, allowing an anemic .64 points per post-up. 

Varejao was one of the best defenders in the entire league last year, and he did that from the center position.  There's really no justification for calling him a weak defender.

How about the fact he played 31 games last year, only 3 of which were against legitimate low post threats. One against Howard, Al Jeff and Marc Gasol.

Eh...  There aren't a ton of great post threats in the NBA.  Also, Varejao's numbers showed he was 11th overall, as well as in the post.  Therefore, the lack of low post scorers doesn't mean a ton, since he was great no matter what type of defense he was asked to play. 

Varejao played in 40% of the games last year, and played stellar defense against centers.  That completely contradicts your earlier observations.

[Roy H.]

I thinK varejo's defense at the 5 is getting greatly overblown, especially in an era with few legitimate low post options. He is fine against the Kendrick Perkins' of the world, but stick him on a center with actual moves and or speed and he's not that good.

I disagree, and the stats say otherwise.  There aren't many centers that have actual moves or speed, period, but Varejao has showed that what he can play good defense against anybody.  He's big enough to play strong centers, and he's quick enough to play good defense even against athletic power forwards.

[Roy H.]

Did I just see Bleacher Report cited as a credible source?

Hell has frozen over.

[mgent]

Chalmers only started 28 games last year, I considered him their backup.  Arroyo was the starter for the first 50 games or so and then it was Bibby at the end of the season and into the playoffs.

Wasn't Chalmers first start like Game 4 or 5 of the Finals?

Yeah, But Chalmers averaged 24 mpg in 3 out of 4 series. Bibby Averaged 20 per.

Whatever, Hinrch is still a better defender and shooter than Chalmers.  He gives them the range that House and Bibby gave the Heat, plus a ton more defense.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/87127-mario-chalmers-scorching-defense-keeps-miami-heats-future-bright


Chalmers gets burn specifically for his defense.

Yeah so did Arroyo.  Because Eddie House was originally getting minutes due to his superior spacing, and then they cut his minutes when they realized how much they were getting destroyed on defense by PGs.  House and Bibby are horrific defenders, Chalmers made their defense way tougher.

[KCattheStripe]

I mean Roy, we just saw the best team defense in the actual NBA with Wade on it, lose because it had the exact same holes.

What holes?  PG?  C?  Bench?  My team doesn't have those.

Waiting for you to name a better defense too.

Spurs, Oklahoma City and the Kings had better team defenses.

Varejo is a hole defensively at the C, way more thanAnthony. D West is more of a hole than Bosh at PF and Hinirich is a comprable defensive player at this point in his career to Chalmers. Your best bench player is Kenyon Martin, there's was James Jones. Really not that different defensively.

Varejao played exclusively at center last season. He had the 11th best points allowed per possession in the entire NBA.  On post ups, he was also 11th in the NBA, allowing an anemic .64 points per post-up. 

Varejao was one of the best defenders in the entire league last year, and he did that from the center position.  There's really no justification for calling him a weak defender.

How about the fact he played 31 games last year, only 3 of which were against legitimate low post threats. One against Howard, Al Jeff and Marc Gasol.

Eh...  There aren't a ton of great post threats in the NBA.  Also, Varejao's numbers showed he was 11th overall, as well as in the post.  Therefore, the lack of low post scorers doesn't mean a ton, since he was great no matter what type of defense he was asked to play. 

Varejao played in 40% of the games last year, and played stellar defense against centers.  That completely contradicts your earlier observations.

It would, if he was going against a typical center. The fact that there are fewer low post threats in the NBA, and the fact that Varejo went up against 3 of the 4 at C exactly once each helps my position that those stats really don't matter much for this match up. WHereas IPs stats about how Bogut did against varejo do. As does the fact that the Cavs, a stout defensive teams, never started varejo at C over Big freaking Z. They also felt the need to go get Shaq after getting burned by Dwight.


::::Drops Mic:::::::


I gotta go, I have a job interview of a lifetime coming up and I'm here talking to you schlubs. We all know my vote is going to the Blazers. And to paraphrase a great man-- who apparently never means what he says-- " IP can defend his own team".

[Roy H.]

And to paraphrase a great man-- who apparently never means what he says-- " IP can defend his own team

Well, I like defending the little people, who don't have the full faith and credit of the mod staff behind them.

[Roy H.]

As does the fact that the Cavs, a stout defensive teams, never started varejo at C over Big freaking Z

The Cavs started Shaq; Varejao started more games than Big Z did in 2010, and Big Z and Varejao started beside one another in 2009.