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Re: CB DRAFT FINALS THREAD
« Reply #195 on: August 05, 2011, 04:56:12 PM »

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Is this thing going to play out as high tempo or drawn-out half court play?  We know which way playoffs have a tendency to go.


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Re: CB DRAFT FINALS THREAD
« Reply #196 on: August 05, 2011, 04:57:03 PM »

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Hinrich (36)   Barbosa (12)
Wade (36)    Barbosa (12)
Iguodala (42)   Wade [(~6) whenever Williams isn't at SF]
West (35)    KMart (13)
Varejao (37)   Bonner/KMart (11)


Are you planning on playing Wade at the 1? Those minutes only add up to 38.
My mistake I had something else and then didn't re-compensate, thank you.  However with Barbosa in the game, Wade is playing the 1 and Barbosa is the off-guard.  When Wade sits, Iguodala takes over as a point-forward.

Defensive assignments all depend on what the Blazers lineup is looking like, but typically it will be: Iggy on Williams or Harden, Wade on Lowry, Delfino or Harden and Hinrich on Lowry or Morrow/Sessions.  Iguodala can even go on Lowry if Harden or Delfino aren't doing anything.
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

Re: CB DRAFT FINALS THREAD
« Reply #197 on: August 05, 2011, 05:01:11 PM »

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Is this thing going to play out as high tempo or drawn-out half court play?  We know which way playoffs have a tendency to go.
I think the Sixers have a better chance of controlling the pace, they have 3 guys that are excellent at running the offense, compared to Portland starting 1.

They'll run a lot of the time, but I don't mind putting Wade's halfcourt efficiency up against Amare's.  They'll also force a lot of turnovers, and we all know how good athletic teams are at points off TOs on the break.
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

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« Reply #198 on: August 05, 2011, 05:01:44 PM »

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That's an awful lot of cross matching going on. Do you think that will lead to mismatches in one team's favor?

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« Reply #199 on: August 05, 2011, 05:02:46 PM »

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That's an awful lot of cross matching going on. Do you think that will lead to mismatches in one team's favor?
You mean like Iguodala on Delfino and Wade on Harden?  OH NO!!!
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

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« Reply #200 on: August 05, 2011, 05:04:38 PM »

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That's an awful lot of cross matching going on. Do you think that will lead to mismatches in one team's favor?
You mean like Iguodala on Delfino and Wade on Harden?  OH NO!!!


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« Reply #201 on: August 05, 2011, 05:04:58 PM »

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Plus my team's defense is going to be a lot like Miami's was this season.  I'm going to have the wings switch on everything, but they're so athletic that they can recover and close the gap before the offense can take advantage.
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

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« Reply #202 on: August 05, 2011, 05:05:17 PM »

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IP/Mgent how do you see the rebounding/possession battle working out for your respective teams.

In the front-court, it should work out pretty even. Bogut is a top-10 rebounder for a center, Varejao is top 12 for a PF. Bogut should benefit a little from the Varejao matchup, but Bogut will be asked to do a heck of a lot defensively, so it ought to even out to Bogut getting maybe 1 or 2 more boards in equal time, with both guys in the 9 to 12 range.

Stoudemire has out-rebounded West in their matchups, but Stoudemire has never played consistently next to a rebounder as good as Bogut from teh 5 (that's why Shawn Marion was so dominant..someone had to get those boards), so I think they'll be again, fairly equivalent.

Lowry is a better rebounder than Hinrich,

Iggy and Wade are both better rebounders than nearly all other SG's (their natural position), but neither of them play in decent rebounding front-courts.

I think honestly that despite holding the advantage in the frontcourt, it'll probably work out to be about even. I don't think either team is going to abuse the other on the boards, and I don't expect the pace to be especially fast when Bogut is out there, and that'll be intentional. In the half-court, the Sixers defense becomes a lot more porous.

EDIT: The biggest problem I see myself having is that on long rebounds, Philly will really be able to get out and run if they have a clear lane, and that'll hurt me because both Iggy and Wade are gifted passers and great in transition.

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« Reply #203 on: August 05, 2011, 05:07:12 PM »

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That's an awful lot of cross matching going on. Do you think that will lead to mismatches in one team's favor?
You mean like Iguodala on Delfino and Wade on Harden?  OH NO!!!
I'm just trying to think it through, you have all three of your back court in cross matches, you don't see that in basketball all too often.

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« Reply #204 on: August 05, 2011, 05:08:35 PM »

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That's an awful lot of cross matching going on. Do you think that will lead to mismatches in one team's favor?
You mean like Iguodala on Delfino and Wade on Harden?  OH NO!!!
I'm just trying to think it through, you have all three of your back court in cross matches, you don't see that in basketball all too often.

You see it pretty often in a zone. But, that's a zone.

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« Reply #205 on: August 05, 2011, 05:12:08 PM »

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That's an awful lot of cross matching going on. Do you think that will lead to mismatches in one team's favor?
You mean like Iguodala on Delfino and Wade on Harden?  OH NO!!!
I'm just trying to think it through, you have all three of your back court in cross matches, you don't see that in basketball all too often.

You see it pretty often in a zone. But, that's a zone.
Yeah, which I know mgent won't be using based on his previous conversations about the zone.

I'm not sure if all the cross matching helps one team over another.

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« Reply #206 on: August 05, 2011, 05:14:52 PM »

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Is this thing going to play out as high tempo or drawn-out half court play?  We know which way playoffs have a tendency to go.

Like I said before...I'm going to go for slowing it down. Bogut isn't going to stick around often for offensive boards, and the goal will be to get back, ala Celtics. Unless an opportunity presents its self in the form of a turnover or block, the Blazers are going to get into their half-court set, allowing the shooters to get position, allowing Bogut to get deep position on Varejao, and giving Amare his room to enter into the P&R game.

Keep it slow, keep the possessions count down. Stop the Sixers' wings from getting the ball in the open court at all costs. Don't try for offensive boards, and get Bogut back on defense.

I can run when Bogut is out, but as long as Bogut is in the game, he's a great advantage for my team, and I need him where he can do the most damage at all times.

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« Reply #207 on: August 05, 2011, 05:15:38 PM »

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That's an awful lot of cross matching going on. Do you think that will lead to mismatches in one team's favor?
You mean like Iguodala on Delfino and Wade on Harden?  OH NO!!!
I'm just trying to think it through, you have all three of your back court in cross matches, you don't see that in basketball all too often.

You see it pretty often in a zone. But, that's a zone.
Yeah, which I know mgent won't be using based on his previous conversations about the zone.

I'm not sure if all the cross matching helps one team over another.

That's funny, because you'd think with mgent's wings that he'd like their arms in teh passing lanes as often as possible. Zone'll get ya that.

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« Reply #208 on: August 05, 2011, 05:16:02 PM »

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That's an awful lot of cross matching going on. Do you think that will lead to mismatches in one team's favor?
You mean like Iguodala on Delfino and Wade on Harden?  OH NO!!!
I'm just trying to think it through, you have all three of your back court in cross matches, you don't see that in basketball all too often.
Versatility.  Hinrich and Wade can play both backcourt positions and Iggy can guard all 3 on the perimeter.  

Basically, Iggy is will completely shut down Harden, unless Williams is in, Iguodala is always on Williams.  When he is, Wade is on Harden, otherwise he's on Delfino.  Hinrich starts the game on Lowry, but if Lowry heats up then Wade will switch because of his quickness.

Does that clear it up?
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Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

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« Reply #209 on: August 05, 2011, 05:24:13 PM »

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That's an awful lot of cross matching going on. Do you think that will lead to mismatches in one team's favor?
You mean like Iguodala on Delfino and Wade on Harden?  OH NO!!!
I'm just trying to think it through, you have all three of your back court in cross matches, you don't see that in basketball all too often.

You see it pretty often in a zone. But, that's a zone.
Yeah, which I know mgent won't be using based on his previous conversations about the zone.

I'm not sure if all the cross matching helps one team over another.

That's funny, because you'd think with mgent's wings that he'd like their arms in teh passing lanes as often as possible. Zone'll get ya that.
It won't be a zone exactly, but like I said my guys will switch a lot on the perimeter.  Wade knows, he played the same defense with LeBron.  Wade and Iguodala are long and athletic enough to recover quickly, thus never allowing an opportunity to penetrate or pick and pop.  It's how Miami slowed down Ray Allen in the playoffs.

And for the record THIS is the type of team that a 2-3 zone works against.  One that relies on the low post and doesn't have the best slashers or passers to break it easily.
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale