2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings

[Bahku]

if people don't read the pressers why should we waste our time putting effort into them? why even bother? we're trying to get votes by putting a thought provoking presser together but hearing that gm's that are participating in the game don't read them bothers me and makes the presser utterly pointless...

isn't the point of the presser to have the other gm's read them to see if you can persuade them into votes? if they don't read them its useless.

Thanks for this CP07, you saved me some typing. I really put a lot of time into my presser, primarily because my ability to be online has been limited, and my free hours are generally in the wee hours of the morning when others are sleeping.

I took those hours and put together as complete a presser as I could, believing it was my chance to make up a bit for the time I couldn't be online earlier in the draft, (as not all of our situations allow for that).

I thought people would finally get to see my team the way I did, or at least see some of the reasoning behind why I think it's a good team, and get some background knowledge of my rookies, as a young team is unproven and unsubstantiated in most people's eyes.

It was a bit of a head-scratcher to discover that some people had clearly made their minds up before my division was even called, or without reading my presser, or before I got to answer any questions, or before I was even asked questions at all.

I know this is my first time at this, and maybe people don't take me too seriously, (understandably), but despite the fact that I don't have the free time to chat about my team throughout the day, it was still just as important to me, and I hoped to convey that through my presentation.

Anyway, no big deal, I guess, it's all for fun and I enjoyed myself tremendously, making my picks and building my team, and I always have my friend Edgar to put things in the right perspective for me, (and put a smile on my face).

But I do think there was decidedly more attention and time given to the pressers on the first two days, and it's much easier to say "Oh, just have fun" when you're near the top of everyone's list with little to prove, or not invested at all.

I don't regret the time I put into my presentation, because I learned a lot myself, and I'm proud of what I put together. Maybe my team's a bit more dear to me for just those reasons, and I really can't expect others to see it through the same invested looking-glass.

So be it ... I'm fine. This was a blast and IP was amazing, (so much hard work and patience on his part), and I learned a few lessons ... about basketball, fantasy drafts, young players, the stakes of the lottery, and sleep deprivation. I wouldn't say that was time wasted at all.

[wdleehi]

Pressers are fun.

But they will not completely change other perceptions of your team. 


They will help you against teams that the voters thing are close to you.




At the end of the day, we all know these players.  We all have a belief of what they are and are not. 



Just because you put a lot of work into presenting what you see your team to be, we all have out opinions of the players based on what we have watched over the years. 



I am more disappointed that there were not that many questions today.  I enjoy the back and forth much more then waiting for the vote.

[Kane3387]

if people don't read the pressers why should we waste our time putting effort into them? why even bother? we're trying to get votes by putting a thought provoking presser together but hearing that gm's that are participating in the game don't read them bothers me and makes the presser utterly pointless...

isn't the point of the presser to have the other gm's read them to see if you can persuade them into votes? if they don't read them its useless.

Thanks for this CP07, you saved me some typing. I really put a lot of time into my presser, primarily because my ability to be online has been limited, and my free hours are generally in the wee hours of the morning when others are sleeping.

I took those hours and put together as complete a presser as I could, believing it was my chance to make up a bit for the time I couldn't be online earlier in the draft, (as not all of our situations allow for that).

I thought people would finally get to see my team the way I did, or at least see some of the reasoning behind why I think it's a good team, and get some background knowledge of my rookies, as a young team is unproven and unsubstantiated in most people's eyes.

It was a bit of a head-scratcher to discover that some people had clearly made their minds up before my division was even called, or without reading my presser, or before I got to answer any questions, or before I was even asked questions at all.

I know this is my first time at this, and maybe people don't take me too seriously, (understandably), but despite the fact that I don't have the free time to chat about my team throughout the day, it was still just as important to me, and I hoped to convey that through my presentation.

Anyway, no big deal, I guess, it's all for fun and I enjoyed myself tremendously, making my picks and building my team, and I always have my friend Edgar to put things in the right perspective for me, (and put a smile on my face).

But I do think there was decidedly more attention and time given to the pressers on the first two days, and it's much easier to say "Oh, just have fun" when you're near the top of everyone's list with little to prove, or not invested at all.

I don't regret the time I put into my presentation, because I learned a lot myself, and I'm proud of what I put together. Maybe my team's a bit more dear to me for just those reasons, and I really can't expect others to see it through the same invested looking-glass.

So be it ... I'm fine. This was a blast and IP was amazing, (so much hard work and patience on his part), and I learned a few lessons ... about basketball, fantasy drafts, young players, the stakes of the lottery, and sleep deprivation. I wouldn't say that was time wasted at all.

Bahku,

Your team is good. It is, but so is almost everyone else too. Your just extremely young also and I think that is to your disadvantage. Still having Melo, in a league with so much parity, and in the east I think makes you a playoff team. In fact I got you sixth. Thus in the playoffs. I think melo and Lopez is a great duo especially in the east. Nice work thinking outside the box when building your team. You really went team of the future route even if that wasn't your full intent.

[Roy H.]

But I do think there was decidedly more attention and time given to the pressers on the first two days, and it's much easier to say "Oh, just have fun" when you're near the top of everyone's list with little to prove, or not invested at all.

I'm not sure what happened with the press conferences today.  I was shocked by how dead they were, but a lot of that has to do with the GMs in the divisions not participating as much.  On previous days, IP, StartOrien, Kane, etc., were extremely vocal in defending their teams.  Today, I think through pure coincidence that a lot of the GMs couldn't spend as much time on the blog. 

I also agree that a lot of folks had their minds made up, and were anxious to get on to the voting.  I wish there was a great way to combat against this, but I'm not sure that there is.  That's why my suggestion as that you do the press conferences as a labor of love, more than anything else.  (I know that nobody ever read the stats, watched the videos, or really read most of the arguments from my past press conferences.  Still, it's fun to talk about your vision, even if only a handful of folks are paying attention.)

[wdleehi]

Oh, and leaning to much on rookies is never successful for the playoffs in this exercise.  

[Kane3387]

But I do think there was decidedly more attention and time given to the pressers on the first two days, and it's much easier to say "Oh, just have fun" when you're near the top of everyone's list with little to prove, or not invested at all.

I'm not sure what happened with the press conferences today.  I was shocked by how dead they were, but a lot of that has to do with the GMs in the divisions not participating as much.  On previous days, IP, StartOrien, Kane, etc., were extremely vocal in defending their teams.  Today, I think through pure coincidence that a lot of the GMs couldn't spend as much time on the blog.  

I also agree that a lot of folks had their minds made up, and were anxious to get on to the voting.  I wish there was a great way to combat against this, but I'm not sure that there is.  That's why my suggestion as that you do the press conferences as a labor of love, more than anything else.  (I know that nobody ever read the stats, watched the videos, or really read most of the arguments from my past press conferences.  Still, it's fun to talk about your vision, even if only a handful of folks are paying attention.)

I think ppl might have to be a little more strategic in how they create a presser. For me the shorter the presser, the more likely I will read all of it. Also pics are great bc they attract the eye, but not too much of them. I never watch videos. Again I don't want to read an essay but I'll read analysis.

Also I normally read the first presser for a division completely and then as I go on I get distracted and less interested. I have ADHD tho... Still something to think about in trying to get yours done fast. Also as some have stated I was more apt to read who I felt was my main competition for arguments sake like IP.

Speaking of IP I am still awaiting your response to my last post in our division  

[KCattheStripe]

But I do think there was decidedly more attention and time given to the pressers on the first two days, and it's much easier to say "Oh, just have fun" when you're near the top of everyone's list with little to prove, or not invested at all.

I'm not sure what happened with the press conferences today.  I was shocked by how dead they were, but a lot of that has to do with the GMs in the divisions not participating as much.  On previous days, IP, StartOrien, Kane, etc., were extremely vocal in defending their teams.  Today, I think through pure coincidence that a lot of the GMs couldn't spend as much time on the blog. 

I also agree that a lot of folks had their minds made up, and were anxious to get on to the voting.  I wish there was a great way to combat against this, but I'm not sure that there is.  That's why my suggestion as that you do the press conferences as a labor of love, more than anything else.  (I know that nobody ever read the stats, watched the videos, or really read most of the arguments from my past press conferences.  Still, it's fun to talk about your vision, even if only a handful of folks are paying attention.)

I really liked GC's idea of having to defend and do a press conference for another team.

[mgent]

Getting away from the post, means getting away from what separates us from other teams.

It'll be our commitment there which'll allow us to succeed.

And that doesn't mean 'ignoring Parker & Gay'

Parker and Gay are best with the ball in their hands, and not nearly as good as Randolph off the ball.  Offensive rebounding and put-backs are what he does best, despite having a very good face-up game.  Your team is too good to be centered around Zach Randolph, and Gasol isn't consistent enough yet.  With your other options that'd be a mistake in my opinion.

[KCattheStripe]

Getting away from the post, means getting away from what separates us from other teams.

It'll be our commitment there which'll allow us to succeed.

And that doesn't mean 'ignoring Parker & Gay'

Parker and Gay are best with the ball in their hands, and not nearly as good as Randolph off the ball.  Offensive rebounding and put-backs are what he does best, despite having a very good face-up game.  Your team is too good to be centered around Zach Randolph, and Gasol isn't consistent enough yet.  With your other options that'd be a mistake in my opinion.

Actually Gay is a pretty willing 3rd option as I illustrated earlier and plays perfectly well and consistently without needing the ball too much. In fact, he's done all this with the bargain basement version of TP-- Mike Conley-- as his PG.

Is this the pick 2 draft? Why am I spending so much time defending Gay?

[Bahku]

Oh, and leaning to much on rookies is never successful for the playoffs in this exercise.  

I didn't lean on them very heavily, as they were deep in my rotations, but it's a shame that this kind of blanket statement is made, (or this belief is widely assumed), when rookie talent can be a formidable addition to a team, and has been proven to be many times in the past. I think a wider scope would be more appropriate, and more fun, for everyone. (But then I'm just a rookie at this, too ... live and learn).

[Kane3387]

But I do think there was decidedly more attention and time given to the pressers on the first two days, and it's much easier to say "Oh, just have fun" when you're near the top of everyone's list with little to prove, or not invested at all.

I'm not sure what happened with the press conferences today.  I was shocked by how dead they were, but a lot of that has to do with the GMs in the divisions not participating as much.  On previous days, IP, StartOrien, Kane, etc., were extremely vocal in defending their teams.  Today, I think through pure coincidence that a lot of the GMs couldn't spend as much time on the blog. 

I also agree that a lot of folks had their minds made up, and were anxious to get on to the voting.  I wish there was a great way to combat against this, but I'm not sure that there is.  That's why my suggestion as that you do the press conferences as a labor of love, more than anything else.  (I know that nobody ever read the stats, watched the videos, or really read most of the arguments from my past press conferences.  Still, it's fun to talk about your vision, even if only a handful of folks are paying attention.)

I really liked GC's idea of having to defend and do a press conference for another team.

How can you guarantee against someone not really trying though. See the problem is no one sees how the pieces to your teams puzzle fit like you do and no one will be as passionate about it either.

[wdleehi]

Oh, and leaning to much on rookies is never successful for the playoffs in this exercise.  

I didn't lean on them very heavily, as they were deep in my rotations, but it's a shame that this kind of blanket statement is made, (or this belief is widely assumed), when rookie talent can be a formidable addition to a team, and has been proven to be many times in the past. I think a wider scope would be more appropriate, and more fun, for everyone. (But then I'm just a rookie at this, too ... live and learn).

Experience in this game has taught the vets that. 


People vote on what they know in the NBA. 


Unknown rookies do not pull the votes you are looking for. 

[KCattheStripe]

But I do think there was decidedly more attention and time given to the pressers on the first two days, and it's much easier to say "Oh, just have fun" when you're near the top of everyone's list with little to prove, or not invested at all.

I'm not sure what happened with the press conferences today.  I was shocked by how dead they were, but a lot of that has to do with the GMs in the divisions not participating as much.  On previous days, IP, StartOrien, Kane, etc., were extremely vocal in defending their teams.  Today, I think through pure coincidence that a lot of the GMs couldn't spend as much time on the blog. 

I also agree that a lot of folks had their minds made up, and were anxious to get on to the voting.  I wish there was a great way to combat against this, but I'm not sure that there is.  That's why my suggestion as that you do the press conferences as a labor of love, more than anything else.  (I know that nobody ever read the stats, watched the videos, or really read most of the arguments from my past press conferences.  Still, it's fun to talk about your vision, even if only a handful of folks are paying attention.)

I really liked GC's idea of having to defend and do a press conference for another team.

How can you guarantee against someone not really trying though. See the problem is no one sees how the pieces to your teams puzzle fit like you do and no one will be as passionate about it either.

You could do it pretty easily by having someone in another conference do it, they have no stake in how you do. And of course the commish would have to pay attention to personalities on the blog, like he would never give my team to Fafnir because Fafnir hates everything I think about Basketball.

[mgent]

Boozer's huge advantage in efficiency, coupled with his similar per-game averages, makes him at the very least an equal player to Randolph.

I guess I just completely disagree with your assessment of Carlos Boozer.

Well, some things aren't disputable:

1. Boozer is an extremely efficient player;

2. Boozer is a very good rebounder;

3. Boozer is one of the more prolific offensive power forwards in the NBA;

4. Boozer has playoff averages of 18 / 12, and he's only lost in the first round once.

Nothing says you have to love the guy, but it's a little shocking to me to hear somebody say they hate the game of a very efficient, productive player who has a good inside-outside game, and who consistently produces in the playoffs.

But for what you're asking him to do, I'd much rather take a dozen 'lesser talented' PF's in a later round. What he's providing isn't unique enough where I feel great about having him on my team.

I don't get this, very few can give the combination of post presence and rebounding that Boozer can.  Gasol, Randolph, Howard, Griffin, maybe Bosh.  What exactly is "unique"? I'd rather have boards and efficiency.  There's certainly nothing bad about an elite low post scorer, especially with a ridiculous PG like Westbrook, who has never played with anybody even close to that good.

[mgent]

Getting away from the post, means getting away from what separates us from other teams.

It'll be our commitment there which'll allow us to succeed.

And that doesn't mean 'ignoring Parker & Gay'

Parker and Gay are best with the ball in their hands, and not nearly as good as Randolph off the ball.  Offensive rebounding and put-backs are what he does best, despite having a very good face-up game.  Your team is too good to be centered around Zach Randolph, and Gasol isn't consistent enough yet.  With your other options that'd be a mistake in my opinion.

Actually Gay is a pretty willing 3rd option as I illustrated earlier and plays perfectly well and consistently without needing the ball too much. In fact, he's done all this with the bargain basement version of TP-- Mike Conley-- as his PG.

Is this the pick 2 draft? Why am I spending so much time defending Gay?

When has Gay ever been a 3rd option on offense, or even the second?