2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings

[StartOrien]

i think its lame for people not to vote for teams because you personally don't like a player on that team.

I know I've said this one thousand times, but I'll make it a thousand and one:

When I say I don't like a player in this format, I'm saying I don't like their game.

I hate Lebron James more than I've ever hated an athlete, check out where his team is in my standings.

[StartOrien]

Boozer's huge advantage in efficiency, coupled with his similar per-game averages, makes him at the very least an equal player to Randolph.

I guess I just completely disagree with your assessment of Carlos Boozer.

I'd also question how much the player's efficiency has to do with their role. Carlos Boozer is a pick and roll threat, with a good midrange jumper whose had the benefit of two elite level PG's.

[celticpride07]

if people don't read the pressers why should we waste our time putting effort into them? why even bother? we're trying to get votes by putting a thought provoking presser together but hearing that gm's that are participating in the game don't read them bothers me and makes the presser utterly pointless...

isn't the point of the presser to have the other gm's read them to see if you can persuade them into votes? if they don't read them its useless.

[StartOrien]

if people don't read the pressers why should we waste our time putting effort into them? why even bother? we're trying to get votes by putting a thought provoking presser together but hearing that gm's that are participating in the game don't read them bothers me and makes the presser utterly pointless...

isn't the point of the presser to have the other gm's read them to see if you can persuade them into votes? if they don't read them its useless.

I hope that's not how it read.

It's not that I completely ignored them. I just that many of them went too far into details, where I couldn't finish them, or skipped through some major points.

Personally, I much prefer a breakdown of rotations and a few bullet points on strategy.

[Roy H.]

Boozer's huge advantage in efficiency, coupled with his similar per-game averages, makes him at the very least an equal player to Randolph.

I guess I just completely disagree with your assessment of Carlos Boozer.

Well, some things aren't disputable:

1. Boozer is an extremely efficient player;

2. Boozer is a very good rebounder;

3. Boozer is one of the more prolific offensive power forwards in the NBA;

4. Boozer has playoff averages of 18 / 12, and he's only lost in the first round once.

Nothing says you have to love the guy, but it's a little shocking to me to hear somebody say they hate the game of a very efficient, productive player who has a good inside-outside game, and who consistently produces in the playoffs.

[mgent]

Boozer's huge advantage in efficiency, coupled with his similar per-game averages, makes him at the very least an equal player to Randolph.

I guess I just completely disagree with your assessment of Carlos Boozer.

I'd also question how much the player's efficiency has to do with their role. Carlos Boozer is a pick and roll threat, with a good midrange jumper whose had the benefit of two elite level PG's.

You've got Randolph in a different role than he was in the playoffs.  He was the only offensive option, and had the green light.  He was either creating his own shot, or throwing up a fade-away jumper.

Now the ball is in Parker and Gay's hands, and his shot attempts are much more limited.

[celticpride07]

if people don't read the pressers why should we waste our time putting effort into them? why even bother? we're trying to get votes by putting a thought provoking presser together but hearing that gm's that are participating in the game don't read them bothers me and makes the presser utterly pointless...

isn't the point of the presser to have the other gm's read them to see if you can persuade them into votes? if they don't read them its useless.

I hope that's not how it read.

It's not that I completely ignored them. I just that many of them went too far into details, where I couldn't finish them, or skipped through some major points.

Personally, I much prefer a breakdown of rotations and a few bullet points on strategy.

i mean i would agree that it would be a good idea maybe next year to just have a rotation and a brief summary...no need for gm's to write novels.. it hurts the eyes and people dont like to read.

[StartOrien]

Boozer's huge advantage in efficiency, coupled with his similar per-game averages, makes him at the very least an equal player to Randolph.

I guess I just completely disagree with your assessment of Carlos Boozer.

Well, some things aren't disputable:

1. Boozer is an extremely efficient player;

2. Boozer is a very good rebounder;

3. Boozer is one of the more prolific offensive power forwards in the NBA;

4. Boozer has playoff averages of 18 / 12, and he's only lost in the first round once.

Nothing says you have to love the guy, but it's a little shocking to me to hear somebody say they hate the game of a very efficient, productive player who has a good inside-outside game, and who consistently produces in the playoffs.

But for what you're asking him to do, I'd much rather take a dozen 'lesser talented' PF's in a later round. What he's providing isn't unique enough where I feel great about having him on my team.

[StartOrien]

Boozer's huge advantage in efficiency, coupled with his similar per-game averages, makes him at the very least an equal player to Randolph.

I guess I just completely disagree with your assessment of Carlos Boozer.

I'd also question how much the player's efficiency has to do with their role. Carlos Boozer is a pick and roll threat, with a good midrange jumper whose had the benefit of two elite level PG's.

You've got Randolph in a different role than he was in the playoffs.  He was the only offensive option, and had the green light.  He was either creating his own shot, or throwing up a fade-away jumper.

Now the ball is in Parker and Gay's hands, and his shot attempts are much more limited.

Our strategy will still be relatively the same, but with Parker and Gay playing improved roles of their playoff Grizzlies equivalent. With Gay playing more of the Good-OJ-Mayo role.

[jgod213]

Ultimately we all think basketball should be played a certain way and we tend to gravitate towards the players we think fit that mold and pigeonholed the ones who don't.  Pressers are fun and all, but we've all been basketball fans all our lives, so someone putting together a bunch of paragraphs based on stats pulled from basketball-refernce.com isn't going to change what we've seen and decided over the years.

It sucks that it always disintegrates into resentment towards the end but i guess that comes with the territory.  As Roy said, the important thing is to realize how much fun this always is and how incredibly knowledgeable of a blog this really is.  This (bleep) is harrrd!!

Now if we could just get someone to upload these rosters into NBA2k12 we'd see just how nasty the Conspiracy really are.

[StartOrien]

Ultimately we all think basketball should be played a certain way and we tend to gravitate towards the players we think fit that mold and pigeonholed the ones who don't.  Pressers are fun and all, but we've all been basketball fans all our lives, so someone putting together a bunch of paragraphs based on stats pulled from basketball-refernce.com isn't going to change what we've seen and decided over the years.

It sucks that it always disintegrates into resentment towards the end but i guess that comes with the territory.  As Roy said, the important thing is to realize how much fun this always is and how incredibly knowledgeable of a blog this really is.  This (bleep) is harrrd!!

Now if we could just get someone to upload these rosters into NBA2k12 we'd see just how nasty the Conspiracy really are.

Good gawd the Conspiracy would be nasty in 2k12

[Roy H.]

Boozer's huge advantage in efficiency, coupled with his similar per-game averages, makes him at the very least an equal player to Randolph.

I guess I just completely disagree with your assessment of Carlos Boozer.

Well, some things aren't disputable:

1. Boozer is an extremely efficient player;

2. Boozer is a very good rebounder;

3. Boozer is one of the more prolific offensive power forwards in the NBA;

4. Boozer has playoff averages of 18 / 12, and he's only lost in the first round once.

Nothing says you have to love the guy, but it's a little shocking to me to hear somebody say they hate the game of a very efficient, productive player who has a good inside-outside game, and who consistently produces in the playoffs.

But for what you're asking him to do, I'd much rather take a dozen 'lesser talented' PF's in a later round. What he's providing isn't unique enough where I feel great about having him on my team.

Elite rebounding + elite efficiency + post scoring are pretty valuable skills, I think. 

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but it's just shocking to see a guy who has had statistical and playoff success downgraded so severely that he drags his team down to worst in the league status.

[StartOrien]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but it's just shocking to see a guy who has had statistical and playoff success downgraded so severely that he drags his team down to worst in the league status.

Well, that's a bit of over-simplification, no?

It's not as much Boozer as the combination of him and Kaman (and lack of backup if one of them were to go down).

And it's not as much the Spurs as it is how good the West is.  

[mgent]

Boozer's huge advantage in efficiency, coupled with his similar per-game averages, makes him at the very least an equal player to Randolph.

I guess I just completely disagree with your assessment of Carlos Boozer.

I'd also question how much the player's efficiency has to do with their role. Carlos Boozer is a pick and roll threat, with a good midrange jumper whose had the benefit of two elite level PG's.

You've got Randolph in a different role than he was in the playoffs.  He was the only offensive option, and had the green light.  He was either creating his own shot, or throwing up a fade-away jumper.

Now the ball is in Parker and Gay's hands, and his shot attempts are much more limited.

Our strategy will still be relatively the same, but with Parker and Gay playing improved roles of their playoff Grizzlies equivalent. With Gay playing more of the Good-OJ-Mayo role.

If your strategy is to give Randolph the green light, that's a mistake.  Memphis did it out of necessity.  Unfortunately, that's when Randolph is at his best, and it's why he was seen as such a high caliber scorer in the playoffs.

You're better off not ignoring the strengths of Gay and Parker, and letting Randolph play off the ball (boards and tip-ins).  He's still gonna be effective, but you're not going to get the Amare-like performance the Grizzlies got from him in the playoffs.

[StartOrien]

Getting away from the post, means getting away from what separates us from other teams.

It'll be our commitment there which'll allow us to succeed.

And that doesn't mean 'ignoring Parker & Gay'