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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1335 on: July 28, 2011, 11:55:26 AM »

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A reminder to teams with Co-GMs:

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In the case of teams having Co-GMs each team will only receive one vote and each team will designate one person to cast their votes well ahead of time. If you both send in ballots they will be disregarded.

That includes the initial ranking of teams, so if you and your Co-GM aren't on the same page, make sure you are before you submit a ballot.

Even in this round, where we leave our own team out?

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1336 on: July 28, 2011, 11:58:01 AM »

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A reminder to teams with Co-GMs:

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In the case of teams having Co-GMs each team will only receive one vote and each team will designate one person to cast their votes well ahead of time. If you both send in ballots they will be disregarded.

That includes the initial ranking of teams, so if you and your Co-GM aren't on the same page, make sure you are before you submit a ballot.

Even in this round, where we leave our own team out?

Yes.

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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1337 on: July 28, 2011, 12:00:53 PM »

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Is the contact/roster page up to date?

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1338 on: July 28, 2011, 12:02:53 PM »

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I'm confused how my team that has a 3rd team ALL NBA Center -- now playing his natural position-- and a top 5 2 guard and yet the primary knock on my team is that I lack a go to guy.
I don't think people are sold on Eric Gordon as a top player in the league yet, not as an offensively playmaker certainly.
I consider E.Gordon the third best player on a top team.

He could be the second best offensive player on the squad though.

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1339 on: July 28, 2011, 12:11:07 PM »

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I'm confused how my team that has a 3rd team ALL NBA Center -- now playing his natural position-- and a top 5 2 guard and yet the primary knock on my team is that I lack a go to guy.

Hey KC, you posted this question in the SE division yesterday and here was my response:

Not entirely sure how having an all nba center-- who is now moved to his more natural position-- and a top 5 2 guard means I have no go to guy.

Horford is an all nba center and a more natural PF, but he's not an all nba PF.  He's probably the 8th best PF.

I have Gordon ranked 7th or 8th among SGs behind Wade, Kobe, Iggy, Johnson, Ray, Manu and roughly equal to Ellis.

So your best 2 players are roughly the 8th best at their respective positions in a 24 team league.

Hey, completely missed it action. I disagree with you on two points. One, I think you'd be shocked at how good a PF Horford will be, if someone has been playing out of position their entire career and asked to battle with the Biggest players on each team and still being an all nba calibre player and then you set them loose at the PF position where they get to unleash their already impressive defense on guys their own size, it gets them more involved in the pick and roll and less reliant on post ups. You would see a player take a giant leap. Horford would make a leap at the PF spot that would make Lamarcus' leap this year look miniscule.

As for Gordon, do not even compare him to Monta. Monta has never been praised for his defense, praise that has been overflowing for Eric Gordon. Also, everyone knows that Joe Johnson shot 30% from 3 this year, right? And that he averaged half a steal less than he has his entire career and scored 17.7 pts this year. Joe Johnson is not the elite player that people make him out to be anymore. And Iggy is a small forward, especially on the team he's playing on in this league.


All NBA calibre big man and a top 5 2 guard and I lack a go to guy?

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1340 on: July 28, 2011, 12:11:41 PM »

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I'm confused how my team that has a 3rd team ALL NBA Center -- now playing his natural position-- and a top 5 2 guard and yet the primary knock on my team is that I lack a go to guy.
I don't think people are sold on Eric Gordon as a top player in the league yet, not as an offensively playmaker certainly.
I consider E.Gordon the third best player on a top team.

He could be the second best offensive player on the squad though.

I think you're vastly underrating his defense.

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1341 on: July 28, 2011, 12:16:57 PM »

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Regarding the reading of presserrs, I have to admit that I only skim read them, never look at the videos or pictures and use what is in them mostly as ammunittion against that team if I meet them in the playoffs.

I just feel that after producing several very in depth draft boards and discussing these players as much as we have over the years that I have a dang good idea of which players I like, what they can do, how they would imteract with others and dont need to listen to the in depth stuff some GMs write up.

I select, target, avoid and don't select players based on this knowlwdge and no in depth opinionated presser is going to change my view of those players.

I think many of the vet GMs probably feel the same way. But I will say this, doing an in depth presser will get you to learn more about the players on your team, get you to like your players and team more and ultimately make you a more informed and better GM for the next time you play.

So in that way thy serve as a great tool and should not be shunned.

I wrote what I think was the longest and most in-depth presser. 2500 words, and to my knowledge the only person who read it completely was KWhit.

I'm not angry or bitter about it, its just the way this stuff happens. People who want to really read the pressers will, people who don't, wont. But, for those who don't, you've gotta make the information easily accessible they want to get (rotation minutes, statistics, projected stats, height, weight, round picked...that stuff.)

One of my personal pet peeves with press releases is something virtually everyone does; its the following format

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(picture of a player)
-stuff about that player

(picture of a  player)
-stuff about that player

repeat, then give me 200 words about how you rock.

Some people like that format, I think it lacks in substance and is a little clumsy to read personally.

But as far as people complaining about a lack of participation in some of the press releases...if you want people to talk about your team, you've got to talk about your team. You've got to challenge other GM's on their teams, juxtapose yourself as a peer or better. You've got to make people care enough to want to dispel your team, and be strong and well-versed enough to defend it.

If you want results, that's the way to do it. Its no secret, its no complicated. There were enough people

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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1342 on: July 28, 2011, 12:20:02 PM »

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Eric Gordon's defense:

Mike Dunleavy praising it during his rookie year. That's right, rookie scoring 2 guard praised for his defense.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10954

Clutch offense and defense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dxrv8sNeIE&feature=player_embedded

Tenacious defender and desire to be the man.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/714809-la-clippers-final-2011-report-cards-for-blake-griffin-eric-gordon-and-co/page/3

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1343 on: July 28, 2011, 12:25:55 PM »

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I'm confused how my team that has a 3rd team ALL NBA Center -- now playing his natural position-- and a top 5 2 guard and yet the primary knock on my team is that I lack a go to guy.

Hey KC, you posted this question in the SE division yesterday and here was my response:

Not entirely sure how having an all nba center-- who is now moved to his more natural position-- and a top 5 2 guard means I have no go to guy.

Horford is an all nba center and a more natural PF, but he's not an all nba PF.  He's probably the 8th best PF.

I have Gordon ranked 7th or 8th among SGs behind Wade, Kobe, Iggy, Johnson, Ray, Manu and roughly equal to Ellis.

So your best 2 players are roughly the 8th best at their respective positions in a 24 team league.

Hey, completely missed it action. I disagree with you on two points. One, I think you'd be shocked at how good a PF Horford will be, if someone has been playing out of position their entire career and asked to battle with the Biggest players on each team and still being an all nba calibre player and then you set them loose at the PF position where they get to unleash their already impressive defense on guys their own size, it gets them more involved in the pick and roll and less reliant on post ups. You would see a player take a giant leap. Horford would make a leap at the PF spot that would make Lamarcus' leap this year look miniscule.

As for Gordon, do not even compare him to Monta. Monta has never been praised for his defense, praise that has been overflowing for Eric Gordon. Also, everyone knows that Joe Johnson shot 30% from 3 this year, right? And that he averaged half a steal less than he has his entire career and scored 17.7 pts this year. Joe Johnson is not the elite player that people make him out to be anymore. And Iggy is a small forward, especially on the team he's playing on in this league.


All NBA calibre big man and a top 5 2 guard and I lack a go to guy?

Nicely written up KC.  I'm still not completely where you stand, but I've taken a step or 2 in your direction.  Still don't consider either of them clear top 5 at their respective position.
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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1344 on: July 28, 2011, 12:27:02 PM »

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I'm confused how my team that has a 3rd team ALL NBA Center -- now playing his natural position-- and a top 5 2 guard and yet the primary knock on my team is that I lack a go to guy.

Hey KC, you posted this question in the SE division yesterday and here was my response:

Not entirely sure how having an all nba center-- who is now moved to his more natural position-- and a top 5 2 guard means I have no go to guy.

Horford is an all nba center and a more natural PF, but he's not an all nba PF.  He's probably the 8th best PF.

I have Gordon ranked 7th or 8th among SGs behind Wade, Kobe, Iggy, Johnson, Ray, Manu and roughly equal to Ellis.

So your best 2 players are roughly the 8th best at their respective positions in a 24 team league.

Hey, completely missed it action. I disagree with you on two points. One, I think you'd be shocked at how good a PF Horford will be, if someone has been playing out of position their entire career and asked to battle with the Biggest players on each team and still being an all nba calibre player and then you set them loose at the PF position where they get to unleash their already impressive defense on guys their own size, it gets them more involved in the pick and roll and less reliant on post ups. You would see a player take a giant leap. Horford would make a leap at the PF spot that would make Lamarcus' leap this year look miniscule.

As for Gordon, do not even compare him to Monta. Monta has never been praised for his defense, praise that has been overflowing for Eric Gordon. Also, everyone knows that Joe Johnson shot 30% from 3 this year, right? And that he averaged half a steal less than he has his entire career and scored 17.7 pts this year. Joe Johnson is not the elite player that people make him out to be anymore. And Iggy is a small forward, especially on the team he's playing on in this league.


All NBA calibre big man and a top 5 2 guard and I lack a go to guy?

Nicely written up KC.  I'm still not completely where you stand, but I've taken a step or 2 in your direction.  Still don't consider either of them clear top 5 at their respective position.

Even if they're not "clear" I don't think that means my team lacks go to guys.

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1345 on: July 28, 2011, 12:38:38 PM »

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has anyone heard from gaberkowitz?

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1346 on: July 28, 2011, 12:39:20 PM »

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has anyone heard from gaberkowitz?

Not since he wouldn't trade me Bargs and Landry.

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1347 on: July 28, 2011, 12:39:59 PM »

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has anyone heard from gaberkowitz?

Not since he wouldn't trade me Bargs and Landry.

Looks like he bailed. Rumor has it that Dwight Howard is super PO'ed.

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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1348 on: July 28, 2011, 12:44:47 PM »

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has anyone heard from gaberkowitz?

Not since he wouldn't trade me Bargs and Landry.

Looks like he bailed. Rumor has it that Dwight Howard is super PO'ed.

What do we do for him rankings wise?

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1349 on: July 28, 2011, 12:45:49 PM »

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has anyone heard from gaberkowitz?

Not since he wouldn't trade me Bargs and Landry.

Looks like he bailed. Rumor has it that Dwight Howard is super PO'ed.

Come back to me, my son.