2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings

[Bahku]

Personally, I put limited to no stock into coaching. I think they're good for emphasis on your strategy / plan of attack, but past that I don't consider them.

That being said, and obviously Harris isn't quite as bad, but Karl didn't really work wonders with Iverson & Melo when they were together.

And obviously that's not to condemn Karl as a coach, just to point out that there's only so much a coach can do in basketball.

This is where the presser comes into effect, (or not, as it were). In my Press Conference I talked a great deal, (more than any other player, in fact), about Jimmer Fredette, and state that if he shows what most people believe he will, he could easily take over the point guard minutes.

Almost every pundit has already named him as "Rookie of the Year", and that's extraordinary in this talent-rich market. But that's what an amazing talent he is, and also what an aggressive, never-shied-away-from-anything kind of phenom he is, (he has also won just about every award a college player can win - seriously).

He can hit shots almost as easily from half-court as he can from 20 feet, and has ball-handling and attack skills that are amazing. If you get a minute and can't read the rest of my presser, go to the end and check out Jimmer Fredette ... if you haven't heard much about him yet, you soon will.

I personally had a blast doing this draft. Though I wish I'd had more time to give to it, I loved building a young exciting team, and imagining what kind of sparks would fly if these guys got together for real.

I wish I'd kept Chauncey as well, but I made that decision for the right reasons, and that's all I say about that. Thanks and TPs to all for the input.

[Fafnir]

Almost every pundit has already named him as "Rookie of the Year", and that's extraordinary in this talent-rich market. But that's what an amazing talent he is, and also what an aggressive, never-shied-away-from-anything kind of phenom he is, (he has also won just about every award a college player can win - seriously).

This has been called the worst draft in years, how is that talent rich? He never played PG in college I highly doubt he'll transition into an NBA point guard so smoothly.

PG isn't really my concern with the Heat though, instead I don't see how they'll defend well enough to be a playoff team.

[Edgar]

Almost every pundit has already named him as "Rookie of the Year", and that's extraordinary in this talent-rich market. But that's what an amazing talent he is, and also what an aggressive, never-shied-away-from-anything kind of phenom he is, (he has also won just about every award a college player can win - seriously).

This has been called the worst draft in years, how is that talent rich?

He never played PG in college I highly doubt he'll transition into an NBA point guard so smoothly.

well I have a rookie of the year in his prime
now explain me... why the whole league recognize the kid
and he is invisible here.
just because some plantar fascitis and  a small injury

2003–04   LeBron James^   Forward    United States   Cleveland Cavaliers   1   2003
2004–05   Emeka Okafor^   Forward/Center    United States   Charlotte Bobcats   2   2004
2005–06   Chris Paul^   Guard    United States   New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets   4   2005
2006–07   Brandon Roy^   Guard    United States   Portland Trail Blazers   6   2006
2007–08   Kevin Durant^   Forward    United States   Seattle SuperSonics   2   2007
2008–09   Derrick Rose^   Guard    United States   Chicago Bulls   1   2008
2009–10   Tyreke Evans^   Guard    United States   Sacramento Kings   4   2009
2010–11   Blake Griffin^

Pretty Dominant company if you ask me

[Fafnir]

Almost every pundit has already named him as "Rookie of the Year", and that's extraordinary in this talent-rich market. But that's what an amazing talent he is, and also what an aggressive, never-shied-away-from-anything kind of phenom he is, (he has also won just about every award a college player can win - seriously).

This has been called the worst draft in years, how is that talent rich?

He never played PG in college I highly doubt he'll transition into an NBA point guard so smoothly.

well I have a rookie of the year in his prime
now explain me... why the whole league recognize the kid
and he is invisible here.
just because some plantar fascitis and  a small injury

I have very similar concerns with your team, not enough defensive quality in your PF/C rotation. You lack any sort of quickness at those positions other than Ak-47.

Plus I don't believe Tyreke is ready to be an efficient team player. At best he could be ball dominant like Rose was. But the Bulls wouldn't have been an elite team if they hadn't been an elite defensive squad, their offense was pretty ordinary.

[Kane3387]

I think it's important to not get too wrapped up in the voting.  The question to ask yourself is, did I have fun?  Did I enjoy building my team, and did I enjoy talking about it?  If the answer to those questions are yes, who really cares if people underrate your team?  (Heck, I think my team should have won last year, but it fell short.  I still had a good time, and was proud of the squad I built.  It's all about the journey.)

Well said Roy.

I know everyone including myself wants to win and wants the approval from most on the board that they did a great job in building a team but in the end if you enjoyed the last few weeks of this then thats all that matters.

[StartOrien]

Personally, I put limited to no stock into coaching. I think they're good for emphasis on your strategy / plan of attack, but past that I don't consider them.

That being said, and obviously Harris isn't quite as bad, but Karl didn't really work wonders with Iverson & Melo when they were together.

And obviously that's not to condemn Karl as a coach, just to point out that there's only so much a coach can do in basketball.

This is where the presser comes into effect, (or not, as it were). In my Press Conference I talked a great deal, (more than any other player, in fact), about Jimmer Fredette, and state that if he shows what most people believe he will, he could easily take over the point guard minutes.

Almost every pundit has already named him as "Rookie of the Year", and that's extraordinary in this talent-rich market. But that's what an amazing talent he is, and also what an aggressive, never-shied-away-from-anything kind of phenom he is, (he has also won just about every award a college player can win - seriously).

He can hit shots almost as easily from half-court as he can from 20 feet, and has ball-handling and attack skills that are amazing. If you get a minute and can't read the rest of my presser, go to the end and check out Jimmer Fredette ... if you haven't heard much about him yet, you soon will.

I personally had a blast doing this draft. Though I wish I'd had more time to give to it, I loved building a young exciting team, and imagining what kind of sparks would fly if these guys got together for real.

I wish I'd kept Chauncey as well, but I made that decision for the right reasons, and that's all I say about that. Thanks and TPs to all for the input.

I'll definitely give you the benefit of going through your presser, and reading in its entirety.

But I don't know how much I'm buying into Jimmer-mania. I don't think he's a Steph Curry comp. I think he's got a place in the NBA, but it's going to take a while and even then I'm not sure where he fits. He's just that much too slow for me.

[Bahku]

Almost every pundit has already named him as "Rookie of the Year", and that's extraordinary in this talent-rich market. But that's what an amazing talent he is, and also what an aggressive, never-shied-away-from-anything kind of phenom he is, (he has also won just about every award a college player can win - seriously).

This has been called the worst draft in years, how is that talent rich? He never played PG in college I highly doubt he'll transition into an NBA point guard so smoothly.

PG isn't really my concern with the Heat though, instead I don't see how they'll defend well enough to be a playoff team.

I didn't say "talent rich draft", I said "talent rich market", meaning the last few years. Not everyone called this the worst draft in history, either, though you seem to keep standing on that pretty strongly.

If you look a little closer you'll find there's a ton of talent in this year's class ... don't believe everything you read and hear, especially some of the "experts" who rank the draft, check for yourself.

And no defense ... really? Lopez is ranked 9th among all Centers in steals, 12th in blocks, and 18th in rebounds; Hickson is ranked 8th among PFs in RBs, 21st in BLKs, and 25th in steals; Melo is ranked 3rd in RBs, 12th in blocks, and 14th in steals among SFs; Devin Harris is 24th in steals, 27th in blocks, and top 30 in Rbs; Bayless top 30 in both Rbs & Blks, top 40 in steals; Warrick in the top 40 among PFs in RBs and STLs; and Turner is ranked 24th in blocks among SGs. If you also check the presser on my rookies, you'll find some great defensive prospect there as well.

[Bahku]

Personally, I put limited to no stock into coaching. I think they're good for emphasis on your strategy / plan of attack, but past that I don't consider them.

That being said, and obviously Harris isn't quite as bad, but Karl didn't really work wonders with Iverson & Melo when they were together.

And obviously that's not to condemn Karl as a coach, just to point out that there's only so much a coach can do in basketball.

This is where the presser comes into effect, (or not, as it were). In my Press Conference I talked a great deal, (more than any other player, in fact), about Jimmer Fredette, and state that if he shows what most people believe he will, he could easily take over the point guard minutes.

Almost every pundit has already named him as "Rookie of the Year", and that's extraordinary in this talent-rich market. But that's what an amazing talent he is, and also what an aggressive, never-shied-away-from-anything kind of phenom he is, (he has also won just about every award a college player can win - seriously).

He can hit shots almost as easily from half-court as he can from 20 feet, and has ball-handling and attack skills that are amazing. If you get a minute and can't read the rest of my presser, go to the end and check out Jimmer Fredette ... if you haven't heard much about him yet, you soon will.

I personally had a blast doing this draft. Though I wish I'd had more time to give to it, I loved building a young exciting team, and imagining what kind of sparks would fly if these guys got together for real.

I wish I'd kept Chauncey as well, but I made that decision for the right reasons, and that's all I say about that. Thanks and TPs to all for the input.

I'll definitely give you the benefit of going through your presser, and reading in its entirety.

But I don't know how much I'm buying into Jimmer-mania. I don't think he's a Steph Curry comp. I think he's got a place in the NBA, but it's going to take a while and even then I'm not sure where he fits. He's just that much too slow for me.

Slow? Wow ... been watching him pretty closely, and I haven't seen any slowness. This kid is very fast to the ball and down the court, quick feet and hands, and a great passer and finsiher at the basket, as well as being able to hit any shot from anywhere on the floor. As far as the Steph comparison, I don't recall ever saying that, but even if I did, time will have to make the call there.

[StartOrien]

Spurs last? Are you kidding me?

San Antonio Spurs:
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Arron Affalo/Vince Carter
SF: Grant Hill/Vince Carter
PF: Carlos Boozer/Amir Johnson
C:  Chris Kaman

I think its probably just the way I am about certain players, don't take it personal, I'm sure a lot of people will have you ranked a lot higher.

I just hate the Boozer & Kaman combination with all my heart. I hate them as individual players, and I hate them even more as a combo.

I like your perimeter defense, and I think Westrbook took a little more crap than he deserved for his 'selfishness.'

 I think in the East you'd be ranked considerably higher.

[StartOrien]

Also, I haven't finalized anything. For people who are upset about my rankings feel free to convince me why you're better than I think (in bullet point fashion, pa-lease)

Remember: I'm an idiot.

[Roy H.]

I just hate the Boozer & Kaman combination with all my heart. I hate them as individual players, and I hate them even more as a combo.

Out of curiosity, what is it that you hate about Boozer as a player, but like in Zach Randolph?

I think they're very similar players, except Boozer has generally been more efficient and is more gifted / willing passer.

[StartOrien]

I just hate the Boozer & Kaman combination with all my heart. I hate them as individual players, and I hate them even more as a combo.

Out of curiosity, what is it that you hate about Boozer as a player, but like in Zach Randolph?

I think they're very similar players, except Boozer has generally been more efficient and is more gifted / willing passer.

Admittedly, I could be a little short sighted here, though I've never been Boozer's biggest fan.

But with the Bulls, particularly in the playoffs, he was a negative. His offense was sporadic, at best, and even on his best offensive night he gave that much and then some with his clueless defense.

I know you swear he's a good one on one player, Roy, but honestly I've never seen it. But I'll 100% admit, you probably saw him on the Jazz a lot more than I have so I'll take your word there.But his defense on Chicago was pathetic. It's shocking how clueless he was in Thib's system.

Also, and I won't be able to find stats to back this up, but I've never felt like he's been a guy who plays well when he's against a top notch opponent. Similar to Antoine, where I thought he beat who he should beat, and got beat by who he should got beat.

Meanwhile, Z-Bo showed to me to be a go to scorer you can rely on. He was so hot in the playoffs, and I'm summing up something you said, Roy "It didn't matter who was guarding him, he's unstoppable."

I've also become really impressed with his basketball IQ. His intelligence about positioning is incredible. He seems to know when to hold onto the ball, when to kick out, when to reposition. Everything.

[celticpride07]

i think its lame for people not to vote for teams because you personally don't like a player on that team.

[mgent]

Also, I haven't finalized anything. For people who are upset about my rankings feel free to convince me why you're better than I think (in bullet point fashion, pa-lease)

Remember: I'm an idiot.

- 6ers beat the Bullets
- 6ers beat the Knicks
- 6ers definitely beat the Pacers
- the Grizzlies were barely a playoff team in a less talented league
- Tony Allen is what made them good

 

[Roy H.]

Meanwhile, Z-Bo showed to me to be a go to scorer you can rely on. He was so hot in the playoffs, and I'm summing up something you said, Roy "It didn't matter who was guarding him, he's unstoppable."

Randolph had several hot games, but he shot 44.6% in the playoffs (his only real playoff success).  Meanwhile, Boozer is a career 48.9% shooter in the playoffs, and shoots 53.7% overall for his career.  Randolph has shot over 50% twice in his career; Boozer has shot at least 50% in all but one season in his career (when he shot 49%).

Boozer's huge advantage in efficiency, coupled with his similar per-game averages, makes him at the very least an equal player to Randolph.  I don't think it's fair to draw too many conclusions about Boozer based upon last year's playoffs, when he was clearly playing through injury.

Randolph is like Boozer with poorer shot selection, in my eyes.  Both are darn good players, but for whatever reason Randolph's star is up, while Boozer's is down, due to one playoffs.