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Re: 2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board
« Reply #4065 on: July 22, 2011, 12:27:05 PM »

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Disagreement with your evaluation of a player doesn't mean others "miss the subtle changes they make to their games". I just don't get what you're arguing honestly. Should people be more open to others points of view, okay?

As for the specific player, Nick Young hasn't changed much since his rookie year, he just got more playing time.

I also hate to the whole "he rebounds better than Gordon/Terry/Crawford" and same as Ellis line. Because those guys don't rebound either! But they do other things a lot better than Nick Young (which is why they were picked higher)

And actually, Ellis is the only one he rebounds the same as, he's actually worse than Gordon/Terry/Crawford

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Re: 2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board
« Reply #4066 on: July 22, 2011, 12:30:29 PM »

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IP are you looking at rebound rate?

Re: 2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board
« Reply #4067 on: July 22, 2011, 12:33:43 PM »

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IP are you looking at rebound rate?

Is Ron Artest crazier than a loon?

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Re: 2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board
« Reply #4068 on: July 22, 2011, 12:56:11 PM »

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Disagreement with your evaluation of a player doesn't mean others "miss the subtle changes they make to their games". I just don't get what you're arguing honestly. Should people be more open to others points of view, okay?

As for the specific player, Nick Young hasn't changed much since his rookie year, he just got more playing time.

I also hate to the whole "he rebounds better than Gordon/Terry/Crawford" and same as Ellis line. Because those guys don't rebound either! But they do other things a lot better than Nick Young (which is why they were picked higher)



Is it getting hot in here or is it just me.... ;D

Last comments on a guy i traded two 12th rounders for....

Faf, i never said if folks disagreed with me they were missing the subtle changes in a players game.

My initial comments were directed at Rondo's assesment that he "really [didn't] like Nick Young as a core piece of any team that is serious about winning" because he's too much of a chucker on offense.

I felt like that was coming from -- and I'm sorry if i've put words in your mouth Rondo -- from the same place as your comment that "Nick Young hasn't changed much since his rookie year"... which is an assesment that some Wizards fans would disagree with (and some would agree with to be fair).

Ultimately, I'm arguing about Young's relative worth to our team.... I find it hard to believe that a guy like Nick Young would derail a team "serious about winning" (a) when he's slated to be our 6th man (a la other offense-first guys like Jason Terry or Jamal Crawford) and (b) when we have solid no-nonsense guys like Duncan and Deng leading the team (something Washington has never had in his time there.) If Duncan kept SJax in line to win a ring we think he can handle a guy like Nick Young.

I was careful not to say Young rebounds better than those other players but that his rebound % is similar to other SGs that are considered shoot-first.

Let me be clear: Young is an above average scorer who gets fewer rebounds & assists than the average SG.

But to say he's can't be a part of a winning team is glossing over his overall skill set IMO.

Bill Russell always said (something like...) that the role of a team is to utilize each individual players skills to the service of winning.

We felt we needed some bench scoring and that Nick Young could provide that much more than Reggie Williams. So we made the trade.

I just hope NY Knicks' playoff aspirations don't hinge on folks' assesment of Nick Young.

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Re: 2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board
« Reply #4069 on: July 22, 2011, 01:02:52 PM »

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I'm still looking to trade Marshon Brooks. He's a pure scorer, no bones about it kinda guy. Kind of like the guy they're discussing above. He's lightening in a bottle off the bench, and he just went off for a Bazillion points in the NIke Hoops Tournament in NY. I'd like a little more experience here, but a team looking for a big risk/reward rookie or looking to get younger would get a considerable asset from Brooks. PM me offers.

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Re: 2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board
« Reply #4070 on: July 22, 2011, 01:06:00 PM »

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Josh Childress didn't get drafted, right?

I didn't see him anyways.

Nope, verified. Marshon Brooks is available. Like, free.

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Re: 2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board
« Reply #4071 on: July 22, 2011, 01:10:53 PM »

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So you didn't mean this?

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This is the one downside/blindspot of the CB Draft IMO.... unchanging views of players with bad habits. Once people don't like a player he's tainted forever. Glad Red didn't think that way about guys like DJ or Parrish (and no i'm not comparing Nick Young to either HOF'er, calm down.... )

Re: 2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board
« Reply #4072 on: July 22, 2011, 01:11:24 PM »

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Josh Childress didn't get drafted, right?
What does Josh Childress do that Jonas Jerebko doesn't do at SF?

Seems redundant.

Re: 2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board
« Reply #4073 on: July 22, 2011, 01:11:56 PM »

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Josh Childress didn't get drafted, right?
What does Josh Childress do that Jonas Jerebko doesn't do at SF?

Seems redundant.

He plays the 2 guard.

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Re: 2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board
« Reply #4074 on: July 22, 2011, 01:13:54 PM »

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Josh Childress didn't get drafted, right?
What does Josh Childress do that Jonas Jerebko doesn't do at SF?

Seems redundant.

He plays the 2 guard.

About as well as Jerebko can.

Re: 2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board
« Reply #4075 on: July 22, 2011, 01:14:22 PM »

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Josh Childress didn't get drafted, right?
What does Josh Childress do that Jonas Jerebko doesn't do at SF?

Seems redundant.

He plays the 2 guard.

About as well as Jerebko can.

I just flat out do not believe that. Childress is quicker, he's got experience there, and he's a better ball handler.

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Re: 2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board
« Reply #4076 on: July 22, 2011, 01:14:47 PM »

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Roster below.

Gomes, Livingston, Kwame, Barea, other bench you like (Pack a 3) just at the cost of one Star.

Monta for sale, just offer the House or a Starting Big.

Evans for Sale, Just come with Big starter and Pieces and your offer will be considered.

Jamison is on the block, the cost is a starting PF with offense as minimun, he can be packed if the starter worth it.


I love to trade really I do, I will consider offers but please take in count the position the players were drafted or the deal will be vetoed, also consider that I am not in NEED I love my team i will just make my work as GM because its fun.
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Re: 2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board
« Reply #4077 on: July 22, 2011, 02:19:04 PM »

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Re: 2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board
« Reply #4078 on: July 22, 2011, 02:27:31 PM »

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The Bullets are open to any trade offer.

McGrady for Delonte

just because
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Re: 2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board
« Reply #4079 on: July 22, 2011, 02:30:45 PM »

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So I'm doing my annual "projections" spreadsheet (where I figure out a depth chart w/minutes, then see what players would produce with a different # mins played.

So I'm wondering...how do I treat Derrick Williams?

I already took his college production and lopped off 10% immediately from everything including FG%.

But the guy shot 59% in college! Is 53% low enough?

I want to say no, but look at the facts...the guy was the most efficient jumpshooter, one of the best at scoring inside, and shot 50%+ from behind the 3pt line on 2 attempts a game!

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