2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board

[The Walker Wiggle]

Doesn;t change the favt that Iguodala has been rumored to be dealt more than any other player in the league, that Philly realizes he is not what is in the cards long term, or the fact that before _____  _______ got there AI@ was the SG and then was switched to SF out of necessity and not because he is that great at the position. Then after they see that ____ ______ is the future for them at SG now the next off season they are in hyper mode to move Iguodala. He's a SG.

According to 82games Iggy played 51% of the the 76ers' small forward minutes in 2009-10 versus 26% of the shooting guard minutes, and 69% of the team's SF minutes in 2008-09. Obviously those numbers are approximated and don't tell the whole story, but it seems a wide enough margin to suggest that he's spent his career primarily at the 3?

KC can tell you how much I hated Rudy Gay at the 2 last year - minority opinion by the way - but in this case I don't see the problem.

Playing these players out of position....and I mean this without insult... is just plain dumb.

No offense taken Nick. I enjoy the back and forth. I hope that's obvious. TP.

[nickagneta]

But that's a different debate. You don't believe Kevin Garnett deserved to be a first round pick? And how much of what I wrote about Chandler is untrue?

But here are some metrics you don't have to pay any mind.

Post-Up Defense
0.75 PPP 40 Rank Garnett
0.83 PPP 101 Rank Chandler

Pick & Roll Defense versus the Roll Man
0.42 PPP 1 Rank Garnett
0.93 PPP 52 Rank Chandler

Now please provide the percentage of those metrics where KG was playing a true center please because according to some stats he played that position less then 5% of the time

I mean its one thing to play pick and roll defense and post up defense versus the Scolas, Millsaps, Martins, Gasols, Randolphs, Shawne Williams, Kris Humphries, Chris Boshes and such of the world and playing the pick and roll and post up defense versus the Shaqs, Howards, Boguts, Bynums, Gasols, Lopez's, Chandler and such of the world

[mgent]

Iguodala played the vast majority of his minutes at the 3 last season, where he was also most effective. And the 76ers must agree as they used second pick last summer on a two guard.

And are now in a full court press to trade Iguodala and open time for _________ Not So Old. Maybe the 76ers don't agree as much as you think.

As far as I can tell that's mostly about Andre's outsized contract and "full court press" might be putting it too strongly. The 76ers reportedly turned down Monta Ellis. His coach ran the offense through him as often as not, and raved about his play.

And as for _________ how many games did he even start? I'm undecided on him.

Doesn;t change the favt that Iguodala has been rumored to be dealt more than any other player in the league, that Philly realizes he is not what is in the cards long term, or the fact that before _____  _______ got there AI@ was the SG and then was switched to SF out of necessity and not because he is that great at the position. Then after they see that ____ ______ is the future for them at SG now the next off season they are in hyper mode to move Iguodala. He's a SG. Just like Wade. Having two of your g best players playing the same position and trying to force one to play out of position is a bad NBA idea that fantasy owners continue to try to convince people is something that can happen. It doesn't happen happily 99,9% of the time. Players play the positions they do most of the time because those are the positions they play.

AI2 is not a SF
KG is not a C
Paul Pierce is not a SG
LeBron is not a PF
Scola is not a C

Playing these players out of position....and I mean this without insult... is just plain dumb.

What the heck are you talking about?  The rookie they selected last year?  Iggy has played almost nothing but SF for the past 4 years, and in his first 3 he pretty much split the time.

Nobody's forcing Iguodala over to SF, in fact the few minutes he's playing at SG is Thaddeus Young forcing him to slide over when they go big.

Trust me, I'm the biggest hater on teams with out of positions players, but you've gotta be joking here.  Andre Iguodala the definition of a swingman.

[The Walker Wiggle]

I mean its one thing to play pick and roll defense and post up defense versus the Scolas, Millsaps, Martins, (EDIT - Pau?) Gasols, Randolphs, Shawne Williams, Tim Duncanz, Kris Humphries, Amar'e Stoudemirez, Chris Boshes, and such of the world and playing the pick and roll and post up defense versus the Shaqs (EDIT - Why not Hakeem or Wilt while you're at it  ), Howards, Boguts, Bynums, (EDIT - Marc?) Gasols, Lopez's, Chandler and such of the world.

Chandler averages 8.3 ppg over a 10 year career. So I don't think First Team All Defense KG is sweating that last match up much. If you can guard a Kris Humphries you can guard a Tyson Chandler.

But that's a different debate. You don't believe Kevin Garnett deserved to be a first round pick? And how much of what I wrote about Chandler is untrue?

Look, I've already admitted that Chandler passes the what-have-you-done-for-me-lately test. He was exactly the player that Dallas needed. He's a great teammate, and excellent in the zone, but when did he last play this well, 2007-2008? Is he a safe bet to outplay the three best centers still available? There is also a center still on the board who played better defense by nearly every metric I can find.  He's also the worst offensive player drafted thus far. That's not what I want out of my second round pick.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Dest scoring duo so far

No matter what IP says its Deron and Monta

Kobe and Nash 41
Deron and Monta 45
Amare and Bogut 38

Score till you drop

S. Panda

LeBron and Chandler score 37 PPG....oh BTW they are the best defensive duo by far...no question

No question?  Wade + Iggy aren't that far away from LeBron and Chandler defensively, while they scored 40 together.

I guess Garnett and Griffin also missed the cut off, averaging just over 37 ppg. But the actual best scoring duo is Durant/Scola with a 46.0 ppg average.

And it seems a crying shame to leave the Martin/Curry backcourt off a list of the most potent scoring duos: 42 ppg.

[TheTruthFot18]

Edgar you robbed me blind.

Anyway...


With the 17th pick in the 2nd round, the Orlando Magic choose:

Al Jefferson

I don't understand this pick. There's a center available who I think is SIGNIFICANTLY better

I get the pick.  His low post game is the best offensive weapon left in the draft.

I disagree there too, I got one guy offensively ahead of Al Jefferson though they're quite different.

As Evantime said: He is not the best low post scorer available. He is the only low post scorer available. I was going to pick Monta and worry about a big nest round, but I took the best available 4/5 and ran with it. Sorry I didn't pick Darko  

Anyway props to the E. Gordon pick. COMPLETELY forgot about him.

 

You have an old Tim Duncan and a high volume shooter on a bad team. Get real before the Yoda pics. Or PM if its really a problem for you

[Kane3387]

I liked the Chandler pick.  Lebron is a good enough defender to take away the opposing team's best perimeter player.  Chandler is a good enough defender to limit any opposing big men down low.  Pretty much no matter what three players the Kings surround those two with, they're going to have a top five defense.

Interesting how two out of Chandlers top three career seasons were contract years... He will get paid this year, so.... His other season was when he caught nothing but lobs from cp3, during his MVP caliber season in 2008, when David west was an all star and in his prime. Not too confident Chandler is a second guy. He shared a lot of time with haywood.

[Kane3387]

Eric Gordon was a reach!

Hope we're playing with injuries off!

Let KC get this one straight StartOrien or OtartSrien or Orien'sbelt or PleaseKCdon'thumiliatemeanymore or whatever rudy poo nickname you chose for yourself this weekend because frankly...

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME IS!

Let KC get this one straight, let him just get one thing crystal clear, you're going to come in here and talk about KC's main man , Eric Gordon's injury history while you employ  Zach The Human Hoover Randolph?  You're going to waltz in here in front of the millions

AND MILLIONS!

Of KC's fans and say that Zach Randolph will be able to go through a season without eating anything in sight, including Marc Gasol's Papaya Fajita?

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HE'S NOT FROM MEXICO!

Y'know something OFartSmellsagain , KC hopes your right, KC does hope we're playing with injuries off, that way when Timmy Duncan-- The Brahma Baller-- checks Zach Randolph into the Smackdown hotel, after he turns his hightop sideways and sticks it straight up ZBO's candy behind, ZBO...

Excuse KC but what in the blue hell kind of name of name is ZBO? KC wouldn't give that name to his dog. That's probably the name of the female mutt KC's dog caught Canine Chlamydia from.

When Timmy Duncan's size 20 is so far up Zach Randolph's behind he won't feel pain... He might even enjoy it. But he'll keep eating and be unable to realize that he can't relieve himself until he explodes all over Marc Gasol's home town of  RIO Di Janero.

IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THEY DON'T EVEN SPEAK SPANISH IN BRAZIL!

So StartmyOedipalComplex, don't you ever... AND KC MEANS EVER.. bring up Eric Gordon's injuries again.

IF YA SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAWWWWW! What KC...IS... COOKIN.

Dude that was GGGGGGGGGG!!!! Brought back some old time memories. Loved the Rock, nice.

Tp!

[Kane3387]

best scoring duo so far

no matter what IP says its Deron and Monta

Kobe and Nash 41

Deron and Monta 45

Amare and bogut 38

Score till you drope

S. Panda

Uhhhhh pierce and gasol.

[Kwhit10]

Hmmm... I have 3 ways I could go this morning, and having trouble decide what I want to do, especially since I won't pick again for another 50 picks after this.

[Rondo2287]

I think after the first few picks the talent starts to spread out a little bit and people can go in multiple directions.  Right now I have a very clear top 5.

[Fafnir]

But that's a different debate. You don't believe Kevin Garnett deserved to be a first round pick? And how much of what I wrote about Chandler is untrue?

But here are some metrics you don't have to pay any mind.

Post-Up Defense
0.75 PPP 40 Rank Garnett
0.83 PPP 101 Rank Chandler

Pick & Roll Defense versus the Roll Man
0.42 PPP 1 Rank Garnett
0.93 PPP 52 Rank Chandler

Now please provide the percentage of those metrics where KG was playing a true center please because according to some stats he played that position less then 5% of the time

I mean its one thing to play pick and roll defense and post up defense versus the Scolas, Millsaps, Martins, Gasols, Randolphs, Shawne Williams, Kris Humphries, Chris Boshes and such of the world and playing the pick and roll and post up defense versus the Shaqs, Howards, Boguts, Bynums, Gasols, Lopez's, Chandler and such of the world

Because the positions are so very very different, and KG hasn't played C against high level Cs for long stretches his entire career.

Position is over rated.

[Fafnir]

I think after the first few picks the talent starts to spread out a little bit and people can go in multiple directions.  Right now I have a very clear top 5.

Yeah I'll be interested to see if people move up to the top of this round.

[indeedproceed]

Still offering two 5th's for a an early 4th and a 6th.

If your top 5 players are picked in the first 5 rounds, is it worth having one player be alittle worse, so your first guy off the bench (6th pick) is on the same talent tier or better than most other teams' starters?

Could be. Two fifths (5.4, 5.15), one fourth, one sixth.

[indeedproceed]

Also, I'm on my wayinto work now, but I've got to meet with someone on the way in, so if I'm not here at 10:01, start picking.