2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board

[indeedproceed]

best scoring duo so far

no matter what IP says its Deron and Monta

Kobe and Nash 41

Deron and Monta 45

Amare and bogut 38

Score till you drope

S. Panda

LeBron and Chandler score 37 PPG....oh BTW they are the best defensive duo by far...no question

No question?  Wade + Iggy aren't that far away from LeBron and Chandler defensively, while they scored 40 together.

Doesn't Wade and Iggy play the same position? Kinda hard to be so great defensively as a team when your two players play the same position

NBA.com has him listed as a forward/Guard.

Even then though, I think LeBron/Chandler is significantly above the two of them. If only because Chandler can anchor a defense.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Iguodala played the vast majority of his minutes at the 3 last season, where he was also most effective. And the 76ers must agree as they used second pick last summer on a two guard.

[action781]

Eric Gordon was a reach!

Hope we're playing with injuries off!

Let KC get this one straight StartOrien or OtartSrien or Orien'sbelt or PleaseKCdon'thumiliatemeanymore or whatever rudy poo nickname you chose for yourself this weekend because frankly...

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME IS!

Let KC get this one straight, let him just get one thing crystal clear, you're going to come in here and talk about KC's main man , Eric Gordon's injury history while you employ  Zach The Human Hoover Randolph?  You're going to waltz in here in front of the millions

AND MILLIONS!

Of KC's fans and say that Zach Randolph will be able to go through a season without eating anything in sight, including Marc Gasol's Papaya Fajita?

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HE'S NOT FROM MEXICO!

Y'know something OFartSmellsagain , KC hopes your right, KC does hope we're playing with injuries off, that way when Timmy Duncan-- The Brahma Baller-- checks Zach Randolph into the Smackdown hotel, after he turns his hightop sideways and sticks it straight up ZBO's candy behind, ZBO...

Excuse KC but what in the blue hell kind of name of name is ZBO? KC wouldn't give that name to his dog. That's probably the name of the female mutt KC's dog caught Canine Chlamydia from.

When Timmy Duncan's size 20 is so far up Zach Randolph's behind he won't feel pain... He might even enjoy it. But he'll keep eating and be unable to realize that he can't relieve himself until he explodes all over Marc Gasol's home town of  RIO Di Janero.

IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THEY DON'T EVEN SPEAK SPANISH IN BRAZIL!

So StartmyOedipalComplex, don't you ever... AND KC MEANS EVER.. bring up Eric Gordon's injuries again.

IF YA SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAWWWWW! What KC...IS... COOKIN.

WOW.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Even then though, I think LeBron/Chandler is significantly above the two of them. If only because Chandler can anchor a defense.

One year in three. His 2009-10 averages at 27? 6.5 points and 6.3 rebounds.

[Bahku]

Love & Lopez: 40.6 PPG, 21.2 RPG ... highly under-rated, and a "true" center.

Love and Lopez
mmmmm
I still really doubt what i think about them

But i think theyre as close of succed as theyre as close of
catastrophe

How catastrophe? They compliment each other perfectly, and no attitudes to clash ... I think they're a great duo, and highly under-rated because no super-stardom.

[indeedproceed]

Even then though, I think LeBron/Chandler is significantly above the two of them. If only because Chandler can anchor a defense.

One year in three. His 2009-10 averages at 27? 6.5 points and 6.3 rebounds.

I'm jsut talking defensively. Chandler's been that guy (a defensive anchor) defensively (on and off..but we'll get to that when we dance) since his time in New Orleans.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Rondo/Gay/Wallace = offense/defense/rebounds.

Even without a PF and a C, this trio is already a balanced bunch.

Scoring, they have it.

Tempo control, check.

Rebounding, yes.

Shot blocking and steals, hell yeah.

Can create own shot, can do.

Runnong game, zooooom.

Juat need to fill out the bigs. Hammed Haddadi, come to Yoki.........

[nickagneta]

Iguodala played the vast majority of his minutes at the 3 last season, where he was also most effective. And the 76ers must agree as they used second pick last summer on a two guard.

And are now in a full court press to trade Iguodala and open time for _________ Not So Old. Maybe the 76ers don't agree as much as you think.

[The Walker Wiggle]

While I agree with you, Chandler shouldn't be your second best player, I wonder just how much farther he could've or should've dropped. By my count, there are precious few bigs who can do what Chandler can (which is rebound, intimidate, and anchor a defense) and just about all of them are gone now.

Look, I've already admitted that Chandler passes the what-have-you-done-for-me-lately test. He was exactly the player that Dallas needed. He's a great teammate, and excellent in the zone, but when did he last play this well, 2007-2008? Is he a safe bet to outplay the three best centers still available? There is also a center still on the board who played better defense by nearly every metric I can find.  He's also the worst offensive player drafted thus far. That's not what I want out of my second round pick.

Worst reaches in the 2nd round: All big men. Marc Gasol 32nd to the Pacers, Tyson Chandler 36th to Sacramento, and Andrea Bargnani 45th to the Mavericks. None of these three work as the second best player on a contender

While I agree with you, Chandler shouldn't be your second best player

Tyson Chandler was the second best player on the Mavericks this past year.

Championship.

You really can't refute that. I'm not trying to.

Period.

I won't but Mavs MoneyBall our sister SBNation blog will:

That's still what I find so incredible. Who was the Mavericks second-best player in these playoffs? Terry was great in the Lakers series, and closed the Heat out. Marion was simply incredible shutting down the best players in any given series, and had some critical offensive performances. Chandler was a defensive presence all series, and had several games where his effort was unmatchable. Kidd set the tone for the entire playoffs with Games 1 and 2 against the Blazers, and hit huge shots all playoffs. Hell, J.J. Barea had some spectacular games and runs and probably should be given a ton of credit for several wins.

All of those players also had inconsistency, disappearances, and rough stretches. Its impossible to call just one the "second-best", but rather it was a constantly shifting role.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Iguodala played the vast majority of his minutes at the 3 last season, where he was also most effective. And the 76ers must agree as they used second pick last summer on a two guard.

And are now in a full court press to trade Iguodala and open time for _________ Not So Old. Maybe the 76ers don't agree as much as you think.

As far as I can tell that's mostly about Andre's outsized contract and "full court press" might be putting it too strongly. The 76ers reportedly turned down Monta Ellis. His coach ran the offense through him as often as not, and raved about his play.

And as for _________ how many games did he even start? I'm undecided on him.

[mgent]

best scoring duo so far

no matter what IP says its Deron and Monta

Kobe and Nash 41

Deron and Monta 45

Amare and bogut 38

Score till you drope

S. Panda

LeBron and Chandler score 37 PPG....oh BTW they are the best defensive duo by far...no question

No question?  Wade + Iggy aren't that far away from LeBron and Chandler defensively, while they scored 40 together.

Doesn't Wade and Iggy play the same position? Kinda hard to be so great defensively as a team when your two players play the same position

NBA.com has him listed as a forward/Guard.

Even then though, I think LeBron/Chandler is significantly above the two of them. If only because Chandler can anchor a defense.

But we're comparing duos here not a complete team, and all 4 of those guys are at the very top of their positions defensively.  To say your team has no question, by far, the best potential defense isn't completely accurate when there's another team with 2 elite defenders.

Don't see how Dwyane Wade and Iguodala can only play the same position, especially considering they both can play multiple positions, but whatever.  I personally don't think the two of them will have a problem defending the perimeter together.

[nickagneta]

While I agree with you, Chandler shouldn't be your second best player, I wonder just how much farther he could've or should've dropped. By my count, there are precious few bigs who can do what Chandler can (which is rebound, intimidate, and anchor a defense) and just about all of them are gone now.

Look, I've already admitted that Chandler passes the what-have-you-done-for-me-lately test. He was exactly the player that Dallas needed. He's a great teammate, and excellent in the zone, but when did he last play this well, 2007-2008? Is he a safe bet to outplay the three best centers still available? There is also a center still on the board who played better defense by nearly every metric I can find.  He's also the worst offensive player drafted thus far. That's not what out of my second round pick.

Worst reaches in the 2nd round: All big men. Marc Gasol 32nd to the Pacers, Tyson Chandler 36th to Sacramento, and Andrea Bargnani 45th to the Mavericks. None of these three work as the second best player on a contender

While I agree with you, Chandler shouldn't be your second best player

Tyson Chandler was the second best player on the Mavericks this past year.

Championship.

You really can't refute that. I'm not trying to.

Period.

I won't but Mavs MoneyBall our sister SBNation blog will:

That's still what I find so incredible. Who was the Mavericks second-best player in these playoffs? Terry was great in the Lakers series, and closed the Heat out. Marion was simply incredible shutting down the best players in any given series, and had some critical offensive performances. Chandler was a defensive presence all series, and had several games where his effort was unmatchable. Kidd set the tone for the entire playoffs with Games 1 and 2 against the Blazers, and hit huge shots all playoffs. Hell, J.J. Barea had some spectacular games and runs and probably should be given a ton of credit for several wins.

All of those players also had inconsistency, disappearances, and rough stretches. Its impossible to call just one the "second-best", but rather it was a constantly shifting role.

So your definition of a second best player, according to your selection, is a man that has, for his entire time in Boston uniform, played, according to 82games.com, 13% of the center minutes, 4% of the center's minutes, 0% of the center's minutes and 2% of the center's minutes, mostly at a less effective rate than his opponent, play him at center even though he has personally said he dislikes playing the position and that's a good 2nd best player on a team?

Show me all the metrics you want of KG at center vs. my guy and yet the simple fact remains if you tried to play a 35 year old KG at center and get him to bang like a center for a whole year, the more likely outcome at year's end is KG has retired unhappily and while playing his worst ball and Chandler is raising a championship banner with Lebron as his team mate.

[nickagneta]

Iguodala played the vast majority of his minutes at the 3 last season, where he was also most effective. And the 76ers must agree as they used second pick last summer on a two guard.

And are now in a full court press to trade Iguodala and open time for _________ Not So Old. Maybe the 76ers don't agree as much as you think.

As far as I can tell that's mostly about Andre's outsized contract and "full court press" might be putting it too strongly. The 76ers reportedly turned down Monta Ellis. His coach ran the offense through him as often as not, and raved about his play.

And as for _________ how many games did he even start? I'm undecided on him.

Doesn;t change the favt that Iguodala has been rumored to be dealt more than any other player in the league, that Philly realizes he is not what is in the cards long term, or the fact that before _____  _______ got there AI@ was the SG and then was switched to SF out of necessity and not because he is that great at the position. Then after they see that ____ ______ is the future for them at SG now the next off season they are in hyper mode to move Iguodala. He's a SG. Just like Wade. Having two of your g best players playing the same position and trying to force one to play out of position is a bad NBA idea that fantasy owners continue to try to convince people is something that can happen. It doesn't happen happily 99,9% of the time. Players play the positions they do most of the time because those are the positions they play.

AI2 is not a SF
KG is not a C
Paul Pierce is not a SG
LeBron is not a PF
Scola is not a C

Playing these players out of position....and I mean this without insult... is just plain dumb.

[mgent]

Iguodala played the vast majority of his minutes at the 3 last season, where he was also most effective. And the 76ers must agree as they used second pick last summer on a two guard.

And are now in a full court press to trade Iguodala and open time for _________ Not So Old. Maybe the 76ers don't agree as much as you think.

What does the state of the 76ers rebuilding phase have to do with the fact that Iguodala can definitely play the 3 and specifically can guard 3s at a very high level?  His speed, strength, length, rebounding, and passing allows him to be pretty interchangeable at any of the perimeter positions.

[The Walker Wiggle]

But that's a different debate. You don't believe Kevin Garnett deserved to be a first round pick? And how much of what I wrote about Chandler is untrue?

But here are some metrics you don't have to pay any mind.

Post-Up Defense
0.75 PPP 40 Rank Garnett
0.83 PPP 101 Rank Chandler

Pick & Roll Defense versus the Roll Man
0.42 PPP 1 Rank Garnett
0.93 PPP 52 Rank Chandler