Would you make this trade? Rondo for Westbrook

[zimbo]

Interestingly, Westbrook pulled a Rondo tonight and it helped OKC.  We seem to be on the right track on this thread, though I'd like to keep Rondo.

I noticed that too. He became a team player and fed his teammates which proved to be a much better outcome than previous games where didn't dish as much.

[zerophase]

I think it's interesting how vehemently posters are opposed to the idea of trading Rondo for Westbrook where I feel in fact, Westbrook has much higher trade value right now and OKC would never even consider doing that trade.

[BballTim]

I think it's interesting how vehemently posters are opposed to the idea of trading Rondo for Westbrook where I feel in fact, Westbrook has much higher trade value right now and OKC would never even consider doing that trade.

  I've never thought of people here being especially good at gauging trade values, going back to the summer of 07 when a team I'd been told had few if any desirable assets ended up with KG and RA while keeping three of their four best players.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I can't read all post and I don't have an opinion either way on who is better or who would be best for this team.

I did read a few post saying how much of a ball-hog Westbroke is when he has KD on his team... yeah, he is. But I think it's because he and KD are close in age, of course he isn't going to listen . But if you pair him with 3 guys, who have been there-done that who are in their 30's, I would bet his shoot first mentality would change. KD isn't the guy that can get his PG in line with the game-plan, now insert KG, PP, or Doc and tell me Westbrooke wouldn't be more eager to listen. He is only 22, if he was on this team from the start of his career, I bet he wouldn't be as much a ball-hog as he is. You have to look at the personalities surrounding.

[LooseCannon]

But if you pair him with 3 guys, who have been there-done that who are in their 30's, I would bet his shoot first mentality would change.

So, he might lose all aggression and turn into a tentative player on offense?

[KGDunks]

Nope no way.

[CelticG1]

The only PG's I would want instead of Rondo are CP3, DWill, or Rose.

In that order.

I may be willing to part with Rondo for an inferior PG like Westbrook if we got more pieces that can help us.

I would argue that i would take these 3 before westbrook no doubt, but i disagree that overall westbrook is that inferior to rondo, if at all. 22 pts,8 assists, and 5 boards a game seems pretty complete to me!

Overall?

Rondo is a better passer, rebounder, defender, and leader.

Westbrook is a better shooter.


If you think jumpshooting is that much more important than any other facet of the game, Westbrook is you man.

Rondo is probably the worst shooting PG in the league

Is Westbrook the worst at anything for a PG? He's not Steve Nash on defense and he's actually  a good rebounder and an above average defender.

  Rondo's fg% on his jump shots is close to average. How sure are you that nobody's worse than him?

Close to average for a PG or in general? I don't know that he is the worst but he has to be pretty close. He is an absolutely horrible jumpshooter no matter how you slice it and hasn't improved or at least not enough. A guy like Rose supposedly was a bad shooter his rookie year than a year later he can hit from anywhere on the floor.

People always say it's a confidence issue with Rondo. It's been 5 years I think he is just a terrrible terrible shooter.

I'm trying to think of poor PG shooters in the league and I just can't think of any. Maybe Andre Miller or Tony Parker? Those guys are still leaps and bounds ahead of Rondo in that department.

Not to mention at least if he was a respectable free throw shooter it would help a little

I just think bottom line OKC would be worse if they had Rondo over Westbrook and we would be better if the trade was reversed

[mc34]

The only PG's I would want instead of Rondo are CP3, DWill, or Rose.

In that order.

I may be willing to part with Rondo for an inferior PG like Westbrook if we got more pieces that can help us.

I would argue that i would take these 3 before westbrook no doubt, but i disagree that overall westbrook is that inferior to rondo, if at all. 22 pts,8 assists, and 5 boards a game seems pretty complete to me!

Overall?

Rondo is a better passer, rebounder, defender, and leader.

Westbrook is a better shooter.


If you think jumpshooting is that much more important than any other facet of the game, Westbrook is you man.

Rondo is probably the worst shooting PG in the league

Is Westbrook the worst at anything for a PG? He's not Steve Nash on defense and he's actually  a good rebounder and an above average defender.

  Rondo's fg% on his jump shots is close to average. How sure are you that nobody's worse than him?

Close to average for a PG or in general? I don't know that he is the worst but he has to be pretty close. He is an absolutely horrible jumpshooter no matter how you slice it and hasn't improved or at least not enough. A guy like Rose supposedly was a bad shooter his rookie year than a year later he can hit from anywhere on the floor.

People always say it's a confidence issue with Rondo. It's been 5 years I think he is just a terrrible terrible shooter.

I'm trying to think of poor PG shooters in the league and I just can't think of any. Maybe Andre Miller or Tony Parker? Those guys are still leaps and bounds ahead of Rondo in that department.

Not to mention at least if he was a respectable free throw shooter it would help a little

I just think bottom line OKC would be worse if they had Rondo over Westbrook and we would be better if the trade was reversed

Jason Kidd was a poor shooter but is now number 3 on the all-time 3 pointers list. Rose was a mediocre shooter until this year. John Wall is a mediocre shooter as well. I think Rondo would thrive in OKC, especially if they moved Harden into the starting lineup. They could use some creative playmaking.

[vinnie]

Yes

[ejk3489]

The only PG's I would want instead of Rondo are CP3, DWill, or Rose.

In that order.

I may be willing to part with Rondo for an inferior PG like Westbrook if we got more pieces that can help us.

I would argue that i would take these 3 before westbrook no doubt, but i disagree that overall westbrook is that inferior to rondo, if at all. 22 pts,8 assists, and 5 boards a game seems pretty complete to me!

Overall?

Rondo is a better passer, rebounder, defender, and leader.

Westbrook is a better shooter.


If you think jumpshooting is that much more important than any other facet of the game, Westbrook is you man.

Rondo is probably the worst shooting PG in the league

Is Westbrook the worst at anything for a PG? He's not Steve Nash on defense and he's actually  a good rebounder and an above average defender.

  Rondo's fg% on his jump shots is close to average. How sure are you that nobody's worse than him?

Close to average for a PG or in general? I don't know that he is the worst but he has to be pretty close. He is an absolutely horrible jumpshooter no matter how you slice it and hasn't improved or at least not enough. A guy like Rose supposedly was a bad shooter his rookie year than a year later he can hit from anywhere on the floor.

People always say it's a confidence issue with Rondo. It's been 5 years I think he is just a terrrible terrible shooter.

Average shooter meaning he shoots 41% from 16-23 FT, while the league average is 39%.

Point guards who shoot worse than Rondo from that range (min. 30 minutes a game): Parker, Lowry, Wall, Tyreke Evans, Kidd, Harris, Billups, Westbrook, Jennings, Rose, I could go on...

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2011&gp=0&mins=30

Let's not pretend that Rondo bricks every jumper he's ever attempted, he's taken and made plenty of them. He just has to get more consistent at it game to game. He had one really bad stretch in February/March this year where he wasn't making many of his jumpers, but for much of the season he was shooting pretty well.

[Celtics18]

Pairing Rondo with a low post presence would be brilliant, as we saw with Shaq.  He loves to pass to the Bigs down low, and to penetrate and lay off to them.

Interestingly, Westbrook pulled a Rondo tonight and it helped OKC.  We seem to be on the right track on this thread, though I'd like to keep Rondo.

I think that Rondo has untold upside.  He's a visionary.  Just needs to shoot better and to be more aggressive more consistently.

Tommy point for nice use of the word "visionary." 

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

But if you pair him with 3 guys, who have been there-done that who are in their 30's, I would bet his shoot first mentality would change.

So, he might lose all aggression and turn into a tentative player on offense?

No, he would pass more and learn when the right time to go ball-hog mode is! It takes aggression to be a good passer... you would know if you watched RR (he's at his best when he goes full out to the rim), difference is, if Westbrooke needs to go beast mode with shooting he can do so too.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

The only PG's I would want instead of Rondo are CP3, DWill, or Rose.

In that order.

I may be willing to part with Rondo for an inferior PG like Westbrook if we got more pieces that can help us.

I would argue that i would take these 3 before westbrook no doubt, but i disagree that overall westbrook is that inferior to rondo, if at all. 22 pts,8 assists, and 5 boards a game seems pretty complete to me!

Overall?

Rondo is a better passer, rebounder, defender, and leader.

Westbrook is a better shooter.


If you think jumpshooting is that much more important than any other facet of the game, Westbrook is you man.

Rondo is probably the worst shooting PG in the league

Is Westbrook the worst at anything for a PG? He's not Steve Nash on defense and he's actually  a good rebounder and an above average defender.

  Rondo's fg% on his jump shots is close to average. How sure are you that nobody's worse than him?

Close to average for a PG or in general? I don't know that he is the worst but he has to be pretty close. He is an absolutely horrible jumpshooter no matter how you slice it and hasn't improved or at least not enough. A guy like Rose supposedly was a bad shooter his rookie year than a year later he can hit from anywhere on the floor.

People always say it's a confidence issue with Rondo. It's been 5 years I think he is just a terrrible terrible shooter.

Average shooter meaning he shoots 41% from 16-23 FT, while the league average is 39%.

Point guards who shoot worse than Rondo from that range (min. 30 minutes a game): Parker, Lowry, Wall, Tyreke Evans, Kidd, Harris, Billups, Westbrook, Jennings, Rose, I could go on...

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2011&gp=0&mins=30

Let's not pretend that Rondo bricks every jumper he's ever attempted, he's taken and made plenty of them. He just has to get more consistent at it game to game. He had one really bad stretch in February/March this year where he wasn't making many of his jumpers, but for much of the season he was shooting pretty well.

I'm not going to click the link, dunno what it could be... I want to know do the stats take into consideration the amount taken? I am willing to bet RR took far less shots than those guys.

[BballTim]

The only PG's I would want instead of Rondo are CP3, DWill, or Rose.

In that order.

I may be willing to part with Rondo for an inferior PG like Westbrook if we got more pieces that can help us.

I would argue that i would take these 3 before westbrook no doubt, but i disagree that overall westbrook is that inferior to rondo, if at all. 22 pts,8 assists, and 5 boards a game seems pretty complete to me!

Overall?

Rondo is a better passer, rebounder, defender, and leader.

Westbrook is a better shooter.


If you think jumpshooting is that much more important than any other facet of the game, Westbrook is you man.

Rondo is probably the worst shooting PG in the league

Is Westbrook the worst at anything for a PG? He's not Steve Nash on defense and he's actually  a good rebounder and an above average defender.

  Rondo's fg% on his jump shots is close to average. How sure are you that nobody's worse than him?

Close to average for a PG or in general? I don't know that he is the worst but he has to be pretty close. He is an absolutely horrible jumpshooter no matter how you slice it and hasn't improved or at least not enough. A guy like Rose supposedly was a bad shooter his rookie year than a year later he can hit from anywhere on the floor.

People always say it's a confidence issue with Rondo. It's been 5 years I think he is just a terrrible terrible shooter.

Average shooter meaning he shoots 41% from 16-23 FT, while the league average is 39%.

Point guards who shoot worse than Rondo from that range (min. 30 minutes a game): Parker, Lowry, Wall, Tyreke Evans, Kidd, Harris, Billups, Westbrook, Jennings, Rose, I could go on...

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2011&gp=0&mins=30

Let's not pretend that Rondo bricks every jumper he's ever attempted, he's taken and made plenty of them. He just has to get more consistent at it game to game. He had one really bad stretch in February/March this year where he wasn't making many of his jumpers, but for much of the season he was shooting pretty well.

I'm not going to click the link, dunno what it could be... I want to know do the stats take into consideration the amount taken? I am willing to bet RR took far less shots than those guys.

  Rondo takes slightly more ahots than average from that range.

[KungPoweChicken]

If you substitute Rondo in for Westbrook, that Thunder team probably doesn't make it out of the first round. Westbrook is definitely a better overall basketball talent, and he is the better athlete.