Why did Danny trade for Jeff Green?

[MBz]

Still early.  People thought Nate was a complete bum last year and he managed to win us some playoff games.  And Jeff Green has a lot more upside than Nate. 

I think this is very tough. You're talking about a guy who was shooting 15-20 shots a game and playing 35+ mpg asked to come off the bench, take less than half that many shots, and to "assert" himself when he's sometimes on the floor with 4 other All Stars (3 of whom are first ballot Hall of Famers). 

Still, as I said, it's early.  You never know what he might do come playoff time. 

Agreed.  He's a guy who was used to being option #3.  We need to find more lineups where he has the 3rd or 4th option and get him back to playing the 4 I think.  Put him out there for KG instead of Pierce as the first sub.  Get him to start shooting more from 18 feet in instead of 18 feet out.  He really hasn't played all that bad, he's not a superstar, we shouldn't expect him to be one.  He's shooting 50% from the field and playing within the offense.  It'll be tough to get him to be aggressive as that's never been his game.  From Georgetown to OKC, he was always 2nd fiddle.

[jdub1660]

I've seen at least 2 posts bustin me for calling Jeff Green a "stud". I will say THANKS b/c I couldn't think of a better word while I was typing, and knew I would be hung for saying it.

Anyways, I should have just called him a talent. My bad guys


Either way, our team is not the same without Perk and Tony. We are now a finesse team. When Rondo isn't attacking and his jumper isn't falling, we lose. B/c Ray can't create his own shot, Davis shoots WAY too much, KG isn't posting up in the paint enough, and Pierce isn't playing like himself enough. The offseason will tell alot to what the future holds. If we can target either a young prospect or some miracle free agent or trade, Danny is bound to blow it up.

[mc34]

I don't understand why people think Jeff Green is playing badly.

He is doing a nice job offensively scoring 9ppg in just 22mpg while shooting 50% from the field and posting a TS% of 57%. He has an excellent post game which gives the Celtics a matchup advantage against most second unit small forwards.

Defensively, he has been really solid at the three and the team as whole has played quality defense when he has been there. He continues to struggle defensively as a four but that is no surprise and even with that he still has value there against certain matchups.

The only thing that has been missing is the rebounding but that is slowly improving.

I don't understand understand why people think he is playing badly. Jeff Green is doing his job.

Those numbers are fine, what I'm not fine with is 5.8 ppg on 39% shooting, which is what he's averaging over his last 5. I really want to like him. I thought he was great in his first 15 or so games with us, then he seems to have dropped off. I'm confident he'll be able to turn it around in the playoffs.

[Shamrocker]

I don't understand why people think Jeff Green is playing badly.

He is doing a nice job offensively scoring 9ppg in just 22mpg while shooting 50% from the field and posting a TS% of 57%. He has an excellent post game which gives the Celtics a matchup advantage against most second unit small forwards.

Defensively, he has been really solid at the three and the team as whole has played quality defense when he has been there. He continues to struggle defensively as a four but that is no surprise and even with that he still has value there against certain matchups.

The only thing that has been missing is the rebounding but that is slowly improving.

I don't understand understand why people think he is playing badly. Jeff Green is doing his job.

I'm confident he'll be able to turn it around in the playoffs.

Why? What has JG done against elite opponents to garner such optimism? 

[mc34]

I don't understand why people think Jeff Green is playing badly.

He is doing a nice job offensively scoring 9ppg in just 22mpg while shooting 50% from the field and posting a TS% of 57%. He has an excellent post game which gives the Celtics a matchup advantage against most second unit small forwards.

Defensively, he has been really solid at the three and the team as whole has played quality defense when he has been there. He continues to struggle defensively as a four but that is no surprise and even with that he still has value there against certain matchups.

The only thing that has been missing is the rebounding but that is slowly improving.

I don't understand understand why people think he is playing badly. Jeff Green is doing his job.

I'm confident he'll be able to turn it around in the playoffs.

Why? What has JG done against elite opponents to garner such optimism? 

You know how they say teams take on the personality of their best player(s)? Well ours sure aren't setting a great example right now. Maybe Green is going through a Krstic-esque readjustment/overthinking period. I don't know. I'm trying to be optimistic here.

[zerophase]

I think Jeff Green's impact for the Celtic's can be compared to Richard Jefferson's impact to the Spurs--a younger more athletic scoring swingman. When Jefferson was first traded everyone had high expectations which he didn't even come close to meeting. Everyone thought he was done, that he was overrated... whatnot. Then this summer he was able to sit down with Pop and really find his role on the team and adjust, and now he's playing great.

Green can do the same with us. Just give him time. If he's still playing poorly next season, then be concerned. The only problem I see is Doc leaving. If he has to adjust to a new coach and the Celtics system, then he may never reach his potential.

[Jon]

I think Jeff Green's impact for the Celtic's can be compared to Richard Jefferson's impact to the Spurs--a younger more athletic scoring swingman. When Jefferson was first traded everyone had high expectations which he didn't even come close to meeting. Everyone thought he was done, that he was overrated... whatnot. Then this summer he was able to sit down with Pop and really find his role on the team and adjust, and now he's playing great.

Green can do the same with us. Just give him time. If he's still playing poorly next season, then be concerned. The only problem I see is Doc leaving. If he has to adjust to a new coach and the Celtics system, then he may never reach his potential.

Yep.  Tonight he's clearly showing he can play.  The question is whether we can incorporate him quickly enough.  Would love to see the C's go to him a ton when he goes into the game.  Call plays for him.  He's a strong 1-on-1 player. 

[Who]

Yep.  Tonight he's clearly showing he can play.  The question is whether we can incorporate him quickly enough.  Would love to see the C's go to him a ton when he goes into the game.  Call plays for him.  He's a strong 1-on-1 player. 

Washington have had no-one who can really matchup with Jeff Green.

Tonight's game is not a good indication of Green's one-on-one abilities. He needs to be judged against above average NBA defenders. Not D-Leaguers and undersized wings.

[Jon]

Yep.  Tonight he's clearly showing he can play.  The question is whether we can incorporate him quickly enough.  Would love to see the C's go to him a ton when he goes into the game.  Call plays for him.  He's a strong 1-on-1 player. 

Washington have had no-one who can really matchup with Jeff Green.

Tonight's game is not a good indication of Green's one-on-one abilities. He needs to be judged against above average NBA defenders. Not D-Leaguers and undersized wings.

Fair enough.  However, he's already shown in games this year he can score if given the opportunity.  We just need to find a way to get him plays. 

[jambr380]

Yep.  Tonight he's clearly showing he can play.  The question is whether we can incorporate him quickly enough.  Would love to see the C's go to him a ton when he goes into the game.  Call plays for him.  He's a strong 1-on-1 player. 

Washington have had no-one who can really matchup with Jeff Green.

Tonight's game is not a good indication of Green's one-on-one abilities. He needs to be judged against above average NBA defenders. Not D-Leaguers and undersized wings.

Fair enough.  However, he's already shown in games this year he can score if given the opportunity.  We just need to find a way to get him plays. 

They had McGee and Blatche down low, who aren't total slouches. Plus, Green is a back up and the players he will be playing against (mostly) are back ups - kind of like the Wizards starters. 15 rebounds is impressive for the guy.

[ballin]

I don't understand it at all... a PF shooting 40% somehow translates into "he can play"?

8/20 (40%) is not a good night of shooting. Yeah, he scored 20 points, but he put up 20 shots. 90% of players in this league can score 20 points on 20 shots. Seriously, go look at the TS% of players around the league.

Jacking shots doesn't make a player good, but it'll certainly fool a lot of people: guys like Allen Iverson, Baron Davis and Brandon Jennings owe their careers to that fact.

[RebusRankin]

Green versus say NY and Miami's benches should work. Off the top of my head, he should have good matchups there. Help me out Who.

[vinnie]

Basing anything green did tonight doesn't hold water with me.  20 shots to get 20 points is not too impressive. I did, however, like the rebounds tonight in what basically was a pre-season or NBDL level game.

[Who]

Green versus say NY and Miami's benches should work. Off the top of my head, he should have good matchups there. Help me out Who.

Jeff Green will be particularly useful as a power forward against New York. He'll have a matchup advantage against Jared Jeffries and/or Shawne Williams. He'll also be able to take advantage of NY's only backup wing, Bill Walker.

Keep KG at the five on Amare and put Green out there as a four against Jeffries or Williams and Boston can really nullify NY's usual advantages by going small. 

New York have one, possibly two players, who can defend Jeff Green well. Carmelo Anthony certainly can and Landry Fields is maybe ... although Fields is a bit small to defend Green in the post but he should do just fine otherwise.

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Miami only have one player who can defend Jeff Green and that's LeBron James.

Their backup wings, Mike Miller and James Jones, are too small physically and too vulnerable defensively to matchup against a power three like Jeff Green.

LeBron will likely be playing anywhere from 40-44 minutes a night in that series though so Jeff Green's court time with a matchup advantage could be quite short.

Paul Pierce will be LeBron's principal defensive assignment though so they might be able to free up some more advantageous opportunities for Green by playing him alongside Paul and going big on the wings. That may depend on Green's ability to defend Dwyane Wade which is a question mark to say the least. So it's unclear whether that will work and/or how many minutes they can get out of it if he can't defend Wade. Hard to know.

Jeff Green will be terrific against Miller and/or J.Jones.

[wdleehi]

Yep.  Tonight he's clearly showing he can play.  The question is whether we can incorporate him quickly enough.  Would love to see the C's go to him a ton when he goes into the game.  Call plays for him.  He's a strong 1-on-1 player. 

Washington have had no-one who can really matchup with Jeff Green.

Tonight's game is not a good indication of Green's one-on-one abilities. He needs to be judged against above average NBA defenders. Not D-Leaguers and undersized wings.

Fair enough.  However, he's already shown in games this year he can score if given the opportunity.  We just need to find a way to get him plays. 

They had McGee and Blatche down low, who aren't total slouches. Plus, Green is a back up and the players he will be playing against (mostly) are back ups - kind of like the Wizards starters. 15 rebounds is impressive for the guy.

Blatche is a major slouch on defense.