Why did Danny trade for Jeff Green?

[Marcus13]

Because this is the NBA.  You don't need an incredible interior defender - just an average backup Small Forward

[vinnie]

I know what the numbers say. But I also know from my own eyes that Jeff Green is not the kind of player I want to see on the Celtics (neither is Krstic, for that matter). They are finesse guys who really do not have an ounce of toughness in them. Green really can't seem to get anything going on his own. It's like the team has to work too hard to make him an important part of the offense. Sorry, but Danny traded Perk for a backup small forward and a backup center who will never be key components of any championship team. And, do they spend $7-8 million a year or more to keep Green around? I hope not.

[pjbigshow]

Let's just be honest... The second unit has looked God awful. Baby has been a nightmare offensively and defensively he has been terrible on the boards. NO ONE can rebound on the second unit... Kristic included, that's a big concern and why we need Shaq so bad, he makes JO a 2nd unit player and that helps them rebound. Like someone else posted Baby is like a black hole on offense, looks lost out there and the things he did good for us, crash the offensive glass, hustle, he hasn't been doing.

As far as Jeff Green goes, there seems to be no urgency to get him involved when he gets into the game. So when he first enters he is just sort of standing around. He needs to DEMAND the ball early when he comes in and he just doesn't have that personality so DOC needs to make that a top priority when he comes in and he just doesn't do it.

Shaq is crucial to this team in so many ways, he puts JO on the second unit and if baby isn't playing well JO can play the four while Kristic plays the 5 and we'd at least be able to rebound the ball for God sakes.

Our first unit looked great in the beginning of that game so that was promising, but Rondo played another poor game, under 10 assists, and when the bench players start coming in, especially baby, the whole offense and defense goes to sh*t.  I'm concerned but there is still hope. DOC DOC DOC has to figure this out, if he doesn't, and Shaq doesn't come back, this is gonna be a very frustrating postseason, and maybe short too  

[pjbigshow]

I know what the numbers say. But I also know from my own eyes that Jeff Green is not the kind of player I want to see on the Celtics (neither is Krstic, for that matter). They are finesse guys who really do not have an ounce of toughness in them. Green really can't seem to get anything going on his own. It's like the team has to work too hard to make him an important part of the offense. Sorry, but Danny traded Perk for a backup small forward and a backup center who will never be key components of any championship team. And, do they spend $7-8 million a year or more to keep Green around? I hope not.

Finesse players, couldn't agree more!!! +1

[screwedupmaniac]

Simple answer: the trade was the only form of gambling that the Mormon faith will allow Danny to engage in.

[the_Bird]

Simple answer: the trade was the only form of gambling that the Mormon faith will allow Danny to engage in.

...  either that, or he got into his nephew's stash.

[More Banners]

There is a fan way to look at things, and then a more distant, neutral look.

The former starting unit had never lost a playoff series.

The former starting unit had never swept a playoff series.

The former starting unit had only one 5-game playoff series (4-1 v. Miami last year).

The former starting unit was a dominant regular season force at the height of its powers, with 66 and 60 win seasons the first two years, but it looks like the era of regular season dominance is over.

The former starting unit was never a dominant playoff force, but always had a shot to grind out series wins, but it was close.

Given the regular season decline, playoff decline is imminent.  I can't blame Danny for shaking things up and looking to get a young, athletic player that could (might) be a promising future piece while betting on Shaq/JO for this post-season, which doesn't seem much worse of a health-gamble than betting on Shaq/JO/Perk, does it?

The team was starting to have the look of the 1990 team, but now is starting to look like the 1991 and 92 teams that went uptempo, with Shaw and Lewis supporting the old Bird/McHale tandem. 

The trick is, the coach has to change as the players change.

[jdub1660]

B/c that trade was the trade available that made sense to him. How many teams in the league were willing to trade a young stud for a legit center on repaired knees a summer before payday?

The only other teams to mind that would've,could've,should've considered it would be Houston,Miami, or Charlotte

Houston had no pieces for us to take.
Miami and Boston won't deal with each other for 10 years now
Charlotte had no young pieces of value, though I would've considered Perk and Nate for Capt Jack,Kwame and a 1st round pick

Also Jeff Green would be better if KG's tenacity would rub off on him, and he could be used more within the offense. Next season could be his year...

[the_Bird]

Given the regular season decline, playoff decline is imminent.  I can't blame Danny for shaking things up and looking to get a young, athletic player that could (might) be a promising future piece while betting on Shaq/JO for this post-season, which doesn't seem much worse of a health-gamble than betting on Shaq/JO/Perk, does it?

This is exactly what I blame him for.  Of those three players, Perk was (in my opinion, by FAR) the most likely to be able to give us a consistent 25-30 MPG of high-level play in the playoffs.  Even in the best-case, Shaq's not good for much more than 20 minutes, and JO basically has no legs left.  Perk's not 100%, but he's a helluva lot closer than either of the others.

How many teams in the league were willing to trade a young stud for a legit center on repaired knees a summer before payday?

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Also Jeff Green would be better if KG's tenacity would rub off on him, and he could be used more within the offense. Next season could be his year...

In what universe is Jeff Green a "stud"?  

As to Perk needing to get paid...  so does Jeff Green.  I'd much rather be signing checks to the big fella at 4/$32M than to Jeff Green for the 5/$50M figure that seems to get bandied about.  

The whole "give him a year around KG and watch what happens" argument is complete horseEdited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline..  Guys either get it or they don't.  A guy like Perk thrived next to KG because he was already hardwired like that.  Look at the players on the Minnesota team KG left and tell me who his intensity rubbed off on.  Jeff Green's been a passive baller since college, that's just who he is. 

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[Cman]

As to Perk needing to get paid...  so does Jeff Green.  I'd much rather be signing checks to the big fella at 4/$32M than to Jeff Green for the 5/$50M figure that seems to get bandied about.  

I think those are the wrong numbers to bandy about.
(1) Green will likely be signed to the one year qualifying offer and that's it.
(2) Assuming he was healthy, it would have taken more than 4/$32M to keep Perk (yes, I know that's what he signed with OKC, but he took a discount to get the money now; he would have commanded more on the open market -- again, given that he was healthy in othe offseason).

[vinnie]

B/c that trade was the trade available that made sense to him. How many teams in the league were willing to trade a young stud for a legit center on repaired knees a summer before payday?

The only other teams to mind that would've,could've,should've considered it would be Houston,Miami, or Charlotte

Houston had no pieces for us to take.
Miami and Boston won't deal with each other for 10 years now
Charlotte had no young pieces of value, though I would've considered Perk and Nate for Capt Jack,Kwame and a 1st round pick

Also Jeff Green would be better if KG's tenacity would rub off on him, and he could be used more within the offense. Next season could be his year...

Unfortunately, I don't think they got a "young stud" back in the trade. A young player, maybe, but far from a stud.

[moiso]

I don't think people need to make it sound like Perk has bad knees.  He had one surgery, he's playing and he'll be fine.  Everyone who ever had an injury isn't damaged goods.

[Shamrocker]

I know what the numbers say. But I also know from my own eyes that Jeff Green is not the kind of player I want to see on the Celtics (neither is Krstic, for that matter). They are finesse guys who really do not have an ounce of toughness in them. Green really can't seem to get anything going on his own. It's like the team has to work too hard to make him an important part of the offense. Sorry, but Danny traded Perk for a backup small forward and a backup center who will never be key components of any championship team. And, do they spend $7-8 million a year or more to keep Green around? I hope not.

Finesse players, couldn't agree more!!! +1

I can hardly stomach another month of Jeff Green, never mind another season. We were told Green could be premier super-sub, provide instant offense, and guard power 3s.  Boy, were we sold a bill of goods.  JG is passive, meek, and crumbling under the pressure of Boston. I’m sure they loved him OKC, but some guys just aren’t cut out for our market. He’s one of them…

[GreenEnvy]

Because this is the NBA.  You don't need an incredible interior defender - just an average backup Small Forward

He is a better-than-average starting SF. Name me a better backup.

I know what the numbers say. But I also know from my own eyes that Jeff Green is not the kind of player I want to see on the Celtics (neither is Krstic, for that matter). They are finesse guys who really do not have an ounce of toughness in them. Green really can't seem to get anything going on his own. It's like the team has to work too hard to make him an important part of the offense. Sorry, but Danny traded Perk for a backup small forward and a backup center who will never be key components of any championship team. And, do they spend $7-8 million a year or more to keep Green around? I hope not.

How is he a finesse player when he loves the post? If anything, this team isn't finding him on the block enough. See how badly he abused Mike Miller yesterday? He can do that to about 90% of the SF's in this league, starters or reserves.