Why did Danny trade for Jeff Green?

[xmuscularghandix]

Because he's an awesome player that can play two positions and carry the scoring when Pierce is sitting down.

Don't say that he's not doing that, because this team isn't doing ANYTHING to get him nice looks. When he gets it down low he makes stuff happen, but it seems like all Rondo and Delonte want to do is pass to Glen Davis ( ). Big Baby gets every bailout shot and doesn't make any of them, meanwhile Green is just sitting in the corner to shoot three's... give Jeff the ball mid-range and let him work.

[17wasEZ]

who was it on here that characterized Jeff Green as the reincarnation of Len Bias - talk about an initial over-reaction. this poor kid simply doesn't fit on this team - why did Danny think that a finesse player would ?

Because Danny didn't understand Ubuntu!  It appears some on this board didn't understand it either........ 

[Who]

I don't understand why people think Jeff Green is playing badly.

He is doing a nice job offensively scoring 9ppg in just 22mpg while shooting 50% from the field and posting a TS% of 57%. He has an excellent post game which gives the Celtics a matchup advantage against most second unit small forwards.

Defensively, he has been really solid at the three and the team as whole has played quality defense when he has been there. He continues to struggle defensively as a four but that is no surprise and even with that he still has value there against certain matchups.

The only thing that has been missing is the rebounding but that is slowly improving.

I don't understand understand why people think he is playing badly. Jeff Green is doing his job.

[2short]

I don't understand why people think Jeff Green is playing badly.

He is doing a nice job offensively scoring 9ppg in just 22mpg while shooting 50% from the field and posting a TS% of 57%. He has an excellent post game which gives the Celtics a matchup advantage against most second unit small forwards.

Defensively, he has been really solid at the three and the team as whole has played quality defense when he has been there. He continues to struggle defensively as a four but that is no surprise and even with that he still has value there against certain matchups.

The only thing that has been missing is the rebounding but that is slowly improving.

I don't understand understand why people think he is playing badly. Jeff Green is doing his job.

agreed, green is playing within the team system and doing nicely
he gives our main 4th quarter scorer, pierce a true rest with marquis going down our next sf was..von wafer?
green is a matchup problem for other sf because of size and if we are running a problem for pf
krstic is icing on the cake, he's very good as a 3rd string center and he's been forced to be a starter and done a good job
again for anyone not realizing
kendrick perkins and nate robinson were traded for jeff green, krstic and a first round draft pick
nate did more for us this year than perk , or record at beginning of the year had to do with shaq and the big 4
nate did a nice job filling in but delonte is far far better as a backup

[Roy H.]

I don't understand why people think Jeff Green is playing badly.

He is doing a nice job offensively scoring 9ppg in just 22mpg while shooting 50% from the field and posting a TS% of 57%. He has an excellent post game which gives the Celtics a matchup advantage against most second unit small forwards.

Defensively, he has been really solid at the three and the team as whole has played quality defense when he has been there. He continues to struggle defensively as a four but that is no surprise and even with that he still has value there against certain matchups.

The only thing that has been missing is the rebounding but that is slowly improving.

I don't understand understand why people think he is playing badly. Jeff Green is doing his job.

I think it comes down to expectations.  A lot of people thought Jeff Green was a major impact player, and so they were expecting a major impact player off the bench.

However, that's not Jeff Green.  He's not a good rebounder, he's not a play-maker, right now he's an average-at-best defender, and realistically, he's a pretty mediocre scorer.

Jeff Green ranks tied for 131st in points per 36 minutes among all players who have averaged 15+ minutes and have played in 20 games this year.  In other words, there are 130 players who score more prolifically than Jeff Green.  He's not an impact scorer, at least not along the lines of what many thought.

You're exactly right:  if anything, Jeff Green has played better here than in OKC.

Per-36 minute stats for OKC: 14.8 points, 5.4 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 43.7% shooting, 30.4% 3PT, .482 eFG%

Per-36 minute stats for BOS: 14.9 points, 4.3 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 49.7% shooting, 30.8% 3PT, .521 eFG%

Green's assists have gone down, and his efficiency has gone up.  Everything else has been remarkably consistent (including his rebounding, when you factor in that he's playing more SF now than PF, taking him farther away from the basket.)

If there's any disappointment with the trade, it's because people thought they were getting a potential star, rather than a slightly lesser John Salmons.

[get_banners]

green is being used poorly. we need to play him more minutes (at baby's expense - not hating on baby, but the fact is he is playing beyond his role right now, and cutting back his minutes a little would help him and us), and look for him more, especially on the blocks. also, the vets and doc need to keep reminding him that if he doesn't demand the ball more, we will not make it far this postseason. basically, jeff green needs to play 25+ mpg and take 8 or more shots every game. he is simply too skilled offensively to be playing the minutes he is and attempted the number of shots he is. our main problem right now is on offense, not defense.

[WedmanIsMyHero]

I don't understand why people think Jeff Green is playing badly.

He is doing a nice job offensively scoring 9ppg in just 22mpg while shooting 50% from the field and posting a TS% of 57%. He has an excellent post game which gives the Celtics a matchup advantage against most second unit small forwards.

Defensively, he has been really solid at the three and the team as whole has played quality defense when he has been there. He continues to struggle defensively as a four but that is no surprise and even with that he still has value there against certain matchups.

The only thing that has been missing is the rebounding but that is slowly improving.

I don't understand understand why people think he is playing badly. Jeff Green is doing his job.

I think it comes down to expectations.  A lot of people thought Jeff Green was a major impact player, and so they were expecting a major impact player off the bench.

However, that's not Jeff Green.  He's not a good rebounder, he's not a play-maker, right now he's an average-at-best defender, and realistically, he's a pretty mediocre scorer.

Jeff Green ranks tied for 131st in points per 36 minutes among all players who have averaged 15+ minutes and have played in 20 games this year.  In other words, there are 130 players who score more prolifically than Jeff Green.  He's not an impact scorer, at least not along the lines of what many thought.

You're exactly right:  if anything, Jeff Green has played better here than in OKC.

Per-36 minute stats for OKC: 14.8 points, 5.4 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 43.7% shooting, 30.4% 3PT, .482 eFG%

Per-36 minute stats for BOS: 14.9 points, 4.3 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 49.7% shooting, 30.8% 3PT, .521 eFG%

Green's assists have gone down, and his efficiency has gone up.  Everything else has been remarkably consistent (including his rebounding, when you factor in that he's playing more SF now than PF, taking him farther away from the basket.)

If there's any disappointment with the trade, it's because people thought they were getting a potential star, rather than a slightly lesser John Salmons.

But would he be better if the Celtics had given him a better opportunity to succeed instead of just relying on Big Baby so much?

[WedmanIsMyHero]

green is being used poorly. we need to play him more minutes (at baby's expense - not hating on baby, but the fact is he is playing beyond his role right now, and cutting back his minutes a little would help him and us), and look for him more, especially on the blocks. also, the vets and doc need to keep reminding him that if he doesn't demand the ball more, we will not make it far this postseason. basically, jeff green needs to play 25+ mpg and take 8 or more shots every game. he is simply too skilled offensively to be playing the minutes he is and attempted the number of shots he is. our main problem right now is on offense, not defense.

This is especially true given the epic offensive droughts that seem to plague the Celtics these days.

[Roy H.]

I don't understand why people think Jeff Green is playing badly.

He is doing a nice job offensively scoring 9ppg in just 22mpg while shooting 50% from the field and posting a TS% of 57%. He has an excellent post game which gives the Celtics a matchup advantage against most second unit small forwards.

Defensively, he has been really solid at the three and the team as whole has played quality defense when he has been there. He continues to struggle defensively as a four but that is no surprise and even with that he still has value there against certain matchups.

The only thing that has been missing is the rebounding but that is slowly improving.

I don't understand understand why people think he is playing badly. Jeff Green is doing his job.

I think it comes down to expectations.  A lot of people thought Jeff Green was a major impact player, and so they were expecting a major impact player off the bench.

However, that's not Jeff Green.  He's not a good rebounder, he's not a play-maker, right now he's an average-at-best defender, and realistically, he's a pretty mediocre scorer.

Jeff Green ranks tied for 131st in points per 36 minutes among all players who have averaged 15+ minutes and have played in 20 games this year.  In other words, there are 130 players who score more prolifically than Jeff Green.  He's not an impact scorer, at least not along the lines of what many thought.

You're exactly right:  if anything, Jeff Green has played better here than in OKC.

Per-36 minute stats for OKC: 14.8 points, 5.4 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 43.7% shooting, 30.4% 3PT, .482 eFG%

Per-36 minute stats for BOS: 14.9 points, 4.3 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 49.7% shooting, 30.8% 3PT, .521 eFG%

Green's assists have gone down, and his efficiency has gone up.  Everything else has been remarkably consistent (including his rebounding, when you factor in that he's playing more SF now than PF, taking him farther away from the basket.)

If there's any disappointment with the trade, it's because people thought they were getting a potential star, rather than a slightly lesser John Salmons.

But would he be better if the Celtics had given him a better opportunity to succeed instead of just relying on Big Baby so much?

If he got more shot attempts, he'd score more raw points but I doubt his output per minute would go up that much.  He just doesn't seem to be the aggressive, "impose his will on the game" type of player that we'd all like.  Arguably the talent is there, but to this point in his career whatever potential that is has yet to be tapped.

As for BBD, his jumpers make me cringe.  I'd like to see Green take some of his minutes, but at the same time, Jeff Green is a very poor power forward who can't defend the position and who consistently gets outrebounded (even worse than BBD in that regard.)  I think that's why Doc sticks with Baby.

[Bankshot]

Because he's an awesome player that can play two positions and carry the scoring when Pierce is sitting down.

Don't say that he's not doing that, because this team isn't doing ANYTHING to get him nice looks. When he gets it down low he makes stuff happen, but it seems like all Rondo and Delonte want to do is pass to Glen Davis ( ). Big Baby gets every bailout shot and doesn't make any of them, meanwhile Green is just sitting in the corner to shoot three's... give Jeff the ball mid-range and let him work.

This is true.  Everyone wants to rag on Davis, but it's not his fault if he get the ball with clock winding down!  But in their defense, Green doesn't act like a guy who wants the ball.  I never see him calling for the ball, just standing alone in the corner.

[StartOrien]

As for BBD, his jumpers make me cringe.  I'd like to see Green take some of his minutes, but at the same time, Jeff Green is a very poor power forward who can't defend the position and who consistently gets outrebounded (even worse than BBD in that regard.)  I think that's why Doc sticks with Baby.

Stat I read yesterday on twitter that made me want to punch something:

Only 24 guys are taking more long twos per game than Big Baby. Of those, only Jamal Crawford has a worse %.

via Zack Lowe

[pearljammer10]

Because he's an awesome player that can play two positions and carry the scoring when Pierce is sitting down.

Don't say that he's not doing that, because this team isn't doing ANYTHING to get him nice looks. When he gets it down low he makes stuff happen, but it seems like all Rondo and Delonte want to do is pass to Glen Davis ( ). Big Baby gets every bailout shot and doesn't make any of them, meanwhile Green is just sitting in the corner to shoot three's... give Jeff the ball mid-range and let him work.

This is true.  Everyone wants to rag on Davis, but it's not his fault if he get the ball with clock winding down!  But in their defense, Green doesn't act like a guy who wants the ball.  I never see him calling for the ball, just standing alone in the corner.

Baby gets the ball with 14 to 15 seconds left on the clock and then holds it until the shot clock is winding down. There is a difference. He is a black hole.

[Cman]

To knock LA out of the playoffs.

If you can't beat 'em, get someone else to.

TP, that was pretty funny!

[missyP]

Jeff is a SF/PF with a finese offensive game but doesn't necessarily have a clear advantage on either position, except offensively at the SF versus average or smaller SFs who can't defend. I am leaning towards giving Scott Brooks and Doc a pass on the proper usage of Green because based on what i have seen over the last four years, you really can't objectively pick between the 3 or 4 position and say Jeff is a star at that position. Though he fairs better at the 3, he is no stud at that position either.

Unfortunately of all the SFs who are in the playoffs this year, I am having a hard time thinking Jeff can actually outplay any of them: Iguidolla,Danny Granger, Luol Deng, Carmelo, LeBron, Artest,(Odom at times), Turkolu, Kevin Durant, etc.

[winsomme]

I don't understand why people think Jeff Green is playing badly.

He is doing a nice job offensively scoring 9ppg in just 22mpg while shooting 50% from the field and posting a TS% of 57%. He has an excellent post game which gives the Celtics a matchup advantage against most second unit small forwards.

Defensively, he has been really solid at the three and the team as whole has played quality defense when he has been there. He continues to struggle defensively as a four but that is no surprise and even with that he still has value there against certain matchups.

The only thing that has been missing is the rebounding but that is slowly improving.

I don't understand understand why people think he is playing badly. Jeff Green is doing his job.

Jeff Green has followed the scouting reports on him to a T...The problem for the Cs is that he is not an aggressive rebounder or defender.

I don't really have a problem with Green being our backup 3 in the abstract...basically he is doing a decent job. I just didn't want him at the expense of the starting center who players around the league knew was an important piece of the fabric of our team because they are all now saying how different it is without him manning the middle.

Shaq is still the game-changer here. If he can contribute at anywhere near the level he did at the beginning of the season then we still will be a contender...I'm just not going to speculate or worry about whether or not that will happen anymore.

I'm just ready for the playoffs.