I love Big Baby but... [looking ahead]

[Bankshot]

I apsolutely love Big Baby and I can't think of him being somewhere else. That dude gets it done, and right now he knows his role, and plays it to perfection.

If we're rebuilding how important is the your backup PF/C? (he's shown that he is a liability when starting)

Very important considering you need backups on your team.

[FatjohnReturns]

Then he goes out there and fights like crazy at the end for those rebounds making it blatantly clear that his hustle is what endears him to fans.

So if he doesn't rebound, he's a crappy rebounder. If he does, it's fake hustle for the fans. Glen Davis just can't make people happy, can he?

Way to twist the meaning of my paragraph... My point, which I think is pretty clear, is that the guy does indeed hustle and makes you want to root for him. The trouble however is that he is such a ground bound player that he should never have to have done what he did. If Kristic for example got the rebound he would have went back up and dunked it or forced them to foul him. Shaq or KG without a doubt. The Pacers however block his shot flat footed forcing him to fight for the board.

I love his hustle out there. Just because you hustle though doesn't make you a great player. He has flaws that will only get worse as he gets older, therefore either a 2 yr on the cheap contract is appropriate, or we let him walk. 4-5 yrs from now it is unlikely he will even be in the NBA. 

a ground bound player eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpVYlnA5TA4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBxs4Q8hhzg&feature=related

Glen continues to improve every year he has been here. He always plays hard, takes charges, makes clutch shots, and he is even getting better at using his frame to get shots off in the lane.

Glen is the most underated player on this team.

[wdleehi]

I apsolutely love Big Baby and I can't think of him being somewhere else. That dude gets it done, and right now he knows his role, and plays it to perfection.

If we're rebuilding how important is the your backup PF/C? (he's shown that he is a liability when starting)

Very important considering you need backups on your team.

Ainge has proven able to find productive bench players.


You keep Davis into the rebuilding, it becomes a situation like Ainge  had when he got here.  One star and a collection of nice bench players.  Ainge had to blow it up around Pierce and rebuild.


I rather see the team naturally blow up and then rebuild.  Right now, that is set up. 

In 2012, Rondo and Pierce are the only ones on the book.  Green will be available for a sign and trade along with 2 first round picks that year.  The only other possible assets would likely be guys on rookie deals, easily moved as cap filler or actual trade value. 



Any deal Davis signs after this season has to fit into one of two categories:

1) one year deal

2) Easily tradeable.

[makaveli]

I apsolutely love Big Baby and I can't think of him being somewhere else. That dude gets it done, and right now he knows his role, and plays it to perfection.

If we're rebuilding how important is the your backup PF/C? (he's shown that he is a liability when starting)

Very important considering you need backups on your team.

Ainge has proven able to find productive bench players.


You keep Davis into the rebuilding, it becomes a situation like Ainge  had when he got here.  One star and a collection of nice bench players.  Ainge had to blow it up around Pierce and rebuild.


I rather see the team naturally blow up and then rebuild.  Right now, that is set up. 

In 2012, Rondo and Pierce are the only ones on the book.  Green will be available for a sign and trade along with 2 first round picks that year.  The only other possible assets would likely be guys on rookie deals, easily moved as cap filler or actual trade value. 



Any deal Davis signs after this season has to fit into one of two categories:

1) one year deal

2) Easily tradeable.

I don't feel we have to "blow it up". We would have a nice foundation to already built on(Rondo, Green is staying, BBD). If we sign a young all-star we would be a 50 win team right away.

[wdleehi]

I apsolutely love Big Baby and I can't think of him being somewhere else. That dude gets it done, and right now he knows his role, and plays it to perfection.

If we're rebuilding how important is the your backup PF/C? (he's shown that he is a liability when starting)

Very important considering you need backups on your team.

Ainge has proven able to find productive bench players.


You keep Davis into the rebuilding, it becomes a situation like Ainge  had when he got here.  One star and a collection of nice bench players.  Ainge had to blow it up around Pierce and rebuild.


I rather see the team naturally blow up and then rebuild.  Right now, that is set up. 

In 2012, Rondo and Pierce are the only ones on the book.  Green will be available for a sign and trade along with 2 first round picks that year.  The only other possible assets would likely be guys on rookie deals, easily moved as cap filler or actual trade value. 



Any deal Davis signs after this season has to fit into one of two categories:

1) one year deal

2) Easily tradeable.

I don't feel we have to "blow it up". We would have a nice foundation to already built on(Rondo, Green is staying, BBD). If we sign a young all-star we would be a 50 win team right away.

How do Celtics get that star if they are too good for the lotto, but their cap space is eaten up by some role players in Green and Davis? 

[Donoghus]

You don't overpay bench/role players.  You let them walk or you end up in NBA no man's land with bad contracts.

Danny knows this.  BBD is gone after this season.

[Bankshot]

You don't overpay bench/role players.  You let them walk or you end up in NBA no man's land with bad contracts.

Danny knows this.  BBD is gone after this season.

Who said Danny would overpay?  Davis will be re-signed to a reasonable contract.

[Donoghus]

You don't overpay bench/role players.  You let them walk or you end up in NBA no man's land with bad contracts.

Danny knows this.  BBD is gone after this season.

Who said Danny would overpay?  Davis will be re-signed to a reasonable contract.

I implied that Danny wouldn't overpay.  He didn't bite with Posey and I think the same will happen with BBD.

What's your idea of reasonable for BBD?  You don't think some team out there is going to price the Celtics out of resigning BBD at a reasonable contract?

[EJPLAYA]

I honestly think they are about the same player as far as effect on the team. BBD is a little better defender, however Kristic is a better offensive player. Either JO or Shaq will likely not be here next year, so I am not sure why you couldn't sign both of them, but if you had to choose, I think I take Kristic unless there is a big difference in cost. Kristic's defense should improve with more experience in our sytem. BBD is what he is at this point. His offense won't get better. His defense at some point will get worse though as he gets larger.

[Kuberski33]

You don't overpay bench/role players.  You let them walk or you end up in NBA no man's land with bad contracts.

Danny knows this.  BBD is gone after this season.

Who's on the floor at the end of games?  And who has been on the floor for the end of games the past couple of seasons.  BBD is one of the 'starting' 5 on this club because ts not who starts...it's who finishes.

Maybe Green takes his spot?  But he hasn't proven that he can do it yet. 

[Donoghus]

You don't overpay bench/role players.  You let them walk or you end up in NBA no man's land with bad contracts.

Danny knows this.  BBD is gone after this season.

Who's on the floor at the end of games?  And who has been on the floor for the end of games the past couple of seasons.  BBD is one of the 'starting' 5 on this club because ts not who starts...it's who finishes.

Maybe Green takes his spot?  But he hasn't proven that he can do it yet. 

He's an undersized big man who has basically hit his ceiling.  How much are you really willing to pay the guy 'cause, honestly, he's not worth "starter dollars" and, like I mentioned before, overpaying bench players is the way to kill yourself in the NBA.  Especially if a hard cap comes along. 

[Bankshot]

You don't overpay bench/role players.  You let them walk or you end up in NBA no man's land with bad contracts.

Danny knows this.  BBD is gone after this season.

Who's on the floor at the end of games?  And who has been on the floor for the end of games the past couple of seasons.  BBD is one of the 'starting' 5 on this club because ts not who starts...it's who finishes.

Maybe Green takes his spot?  But he hasn't proven that he can do it yet. 

He's an undersized big man who has basically hit his ceiling.  How much are you really willing to pay the guy 'cause, honestly, he's not worth "starter dollars" and, like I mentioned before, overpaying bench players is the way to kill yourself in the NBA.  Especially if a hard cap comes along. 

And you know he hit his ceiling because...?

[Donoghus]

You don't overpay bench/role players.  You let them walk or you end up in NBA no man's land with bad contracts.

Danny knows this.  BBD is gone after this season.

Who's on the floor at the end of games?  And who has been on the floor for the end of games the past couple of seasons.  BBD is one of the 'starting' 5 on this club because ts not who starts...it's who finishes.

Maybe Green takes his spot?  But he hasn't proven that he can do it yet. 

He's an undersized big man who has basically hit his ceiling.  How much are you really willing to pay the guy 'cause, honestly, he's not worth "starter dollars" and, like I mentioned before, overpaying bench players is the way to kill yourself in the NBA.  Especially if a hard cap comes along. 

And you know he hit his ceiling because...?

Well, first of all, I don't see him growing 2-3 more inches which would greatly help his game.

This is his 4th year in the league.  He's not turning into the 2nd coming of Charles Barkley.  I feel pretty safe in that assessment.  He has some severe rebounding limitations and has his struggles on the defensive end.  His jumper might become more consistent but I don't see much more growth ahead for his overall game. 

I think what we see now is pretty close to what we'll see down the road for him.  He's certainly not on a path to superstardom.

Whats his ceiling to you?

[EJPLAYA]

You don't overpay bench/role players.  You let them walk or you end up in NBA no man's land with bad contracts.

Danny knows this.  BBD is gone after this season.

Who's on the floor at the end of games?  And who has been on the floor for the end of games the past couple of seasons.  BBD is one of the 'starting' 5 on this club because ts not who starts...it's who finishes.

Maybe Green takes his spot?  But he hasn't proven that he can do it yet. 

He's an undersized big man who has basically hit his ceiling.  How much are you really willing to pay the guy 'cause, honestly, he's not worth "starter dollars" and, like I mentioned before, overpaying bench players is the way to kill yourself in the NBA.  Especially if a hard cap comes along. 

And you know he hit his ceiling because...?

Because he will only get "larger" as the years go by and as he does his game will decline. Fat short guys aren't usually that successful in the NBA. Especially ones that had no vertical in the first place. When hustle is his main skill, his decreasing physical tools will make that meaningless. He hasn't gotten better at anything really since his second year, so no reason he will do it now.

[guava_wrench]

You don't overpay bench/role players.  You let them walk or you end up in NBA no man's land with bad contracts.

Danny knows this.  BBD is gone after this season.

You shouldn't 'overpay' anyone.

The important thing is to look for value, and that is found by avoiding what is being overvalued (typically scorers like Bed Gordon) and look for what is being undervalued.