Who else thinks we made out like bandits in the Perkins trade? I know I do.

[Megatron]

I agree with Roys post. I like the guys Danny brought in , good guys and contribute and all. No problem bringing them in, Danny shouldn't have traded Perkins off to get them or add depth.   I would have played out the season and not mess with a winning combination. Trading Perkins off has upset the apple cart , probally worse than he though with team chemistry.  

We can score more points ,but can't stop the preimer centers or rather the playoff teams.  

The trade was a lose lose situation if you look at it that way.

If Danny didnt trade Perkins we would be down 3 bodies. No Perk, Green, or Krstic.

We would have had to play the starters basically the entire game and risk injury and burn them out.

We needed bodies.

If Danny didnt make that trade, I firmly believe our starters would have been injured and we would be 4th place in the east right now.

If Danny made a trade because we needed bodies over an 8 to 10 game stretch, he's an absolute moron, though.  Also, the team has gone 6-4 since the trade, and would have had Perk back last night.  I think it's unlikely that the team would have gone 0-10 without Perk, so what are we looking at?  1 or 2 extra wins that have been added by Green and Krstic?  That's not all that impressive to me.  (Also, don't forget that we would have been able to bring in other players.  For instance, we wouldn't have Green, but we could have potentially had Battier or Anthony Parker, etc.)

I don't think that Danny would do the trade for such short-term results.  Rather, I think he thinks this trade makes us better in the long term.  Let's hope he is right.

The reality is we have more then enough big bodies, they are just out with injury right now so the trade obviously looks bad right now.

The real problem is our offense, Green and Krstic rarely touch the ball. I just find that odd. We bring them in as offensive options but ignore Krstic unless hes wide open for a jumper, he gets his points from husling and offensive rebounding, hes a very active big man.

Green barely gets involved. We are completely misusing our new guys, Doc refuses to go to them regularly. Our Big 3 are clearly coasting, and Rondo is playing badly, we need to get the ball to Green and Krstic.

Both are averaging close to 9 shot attempts a game since the trade. To say they barely touch the ball seems an exaggeration to me.

Yea but its they way they are tocuhing the ball, plays arent being called for them. Krstic is getting a ton of shot attempts via offensive rebounds and put-backs.

Green goes through long stretches where he doesent touch the ball at all.

They need to average 15+ shot attempts right now, and plays need to be run for them since Rondo and the Big 3 arent stepping up to the plate, they look tired and disinterested in playing. Why not run more plays for the new guys? Dont you think a Green or Krstic shot attempt is better then a wide open Rondo jumper? I think they are.

A Rondo jump shot is the absolute last resort offensive possesion that the Celtics want, thats exactly what the other teams want us to do, force Rondo into being the one shooting, and thats why teams are winning, beacuse Rondo is costing us games with his flaws.

I counted on multiple trips last night where Krstic was in position calling for the ball, but instead of passing it to him, Rondo took a jump shot, bricked or airballed, and NJ came back to score on the next trip down.

Our offense needs some huge adjustments, we need to get the ball OUT OF Rondos hands, and into other players. Rondo with the ball is not a good thing right now.

Jerry Stackhouse: "Coach said that gameplan for the Celtics was to embarass Rondo into shooting, thats how we are going to win the game"

Turns our the scouting report is dead on, when Rondo shoots, other teams win.

We need a change.

Jeff Green's usage is 22 with the C's, that's pretty high for a bench player. Higher than Glen Davis.

Nenad Kristic has a usage rate of 19, that's not huge but considering he mostly plays witht he starters that's pretty high too.

Rondo isn't playing well right now, but he's still our best player with the the ball in his hands to create a good shot. You can't go away from what has worked for most of the season too much.

Im not advocating changing it forever, I just think that while Rondo is slumping/injured that we need to change the way we are doing things during this time.

If Rondo is playing poorly, why are we staying with the same gameplan? Force the issue and lets get this thing moving in the right direction until Rondo decides to step up or gets rest.

[Megatron]

Jerry Stackhouse: "Coach said that gameplan for the Celtics was to embarass Rondo into shooting, thats how we are going to win the game"

Turns our the scouting report is dead on, when Rondo shoots, other teams win.

We need a change.

  Just curious, when did Stackhouse say that?

He said it during a Celtics halftime game on NBATV. He said it blunty to the point where his castmates didnt believe him, but he said that was the exact phrase the coach used.

[Fafnir]

Im not advocating changing it forever, I just think that while Rondo is slumping/injured that we need to change the way we are doing things during this time.

If Rondo is playing poorly, why are we staying with the same gameplan? Force the issue and lets get this thing moving in the right direction until Rondo decides to step up or gets rest.

If a shooter is shooting poorly does cutting his shot attempts help him get out of his slump?

I'm all for cutting his minutes since he appears to be worn down physically, but while Rondo is in the game we need to continue to have him handle the ball and try and create. We'll need his offensive prowess to win a title this post-season.

[BballTim]

Jerry Stackhouse: "Coach said that gameplan for the Celtics was to embarass Rondo into shooting, thats how we are going to win the game"

Turns our the scouting report is dead on, when Rondo shoots, other teams win.

We need a change.

  Just curious, when did Stackhouse say that?

He said it during a Celtics halftime game on NBATV. He said it blunty to the point where his castmates didnt believe him, but he said that was the exact phrase the coach used.

  Ok, which coach told him that, and when did he?

[Megatron]

Jerry Stackhouse: "Coach said that gameplan for the Celtics was to embarass Rondo into shooting, thats how we are going to win the game"

Turns our the scouting report is dead on, when Rondo shoots, other teams win.

We need a change.

  Just curious, when did Stackhouse say that?

He said it during a Celtics halftime game on NBATV. He said it blunty to the point where his castmates didnt believe him, but he said that was the exact phrase the coach used.

  Ok, which coach told him that, and when did he?

He didnt give specificis, he just made that comment when the castmates brought up Rondo not being able to shoot well.

[Fafnir]

BTW Megatron you do realize that 15 shot attempts per game would mean that Jeff Green/Krstic would be taking more shots than any of the big three have taken during their Celtics career together right?

You want two players who average less than 30 minutes per game to get that in the C's offense? Not going to happen, and if it did it would hurt the C's.

If you're talking about combined shot attempts, they already do at 17 per game.

[BballTim]

I agree with Roys post. I like the guys Danny brought in , good guys and contribute and all. No problem bringing them in, Danny shouldn't have traded Perkins off to get them or add depth.   I would have played out the season and not mess with a winning combination. Trading Perkins off has upset the apple cart , probally worse than he though with team chemistry.  

We can score more points ,but can't stop the preimer centers or rather the playoff teams.  

The trade was a lose lose situation if you look at it that way.

If Danny didnt trade Perkins we would be down 3 bodies. No Perk, Green, or Krstic.

We would have had to play the starters basically the entire game and risk injury and burn them out.

We needed bodies.

If Danny didnt make that trade, I firmly believe our starters would have been injured and we would be 4th place in the east right now.

If Danny made a trade because we needed bodies over an 8 to 10 game stretch, he's an absolute moron, though.  Also, the team has gone 6-4 since the trade, and would have had Perk back last night.  I think it's unlikely that the team would have gone 0-10 without Perk, so what are we looking at?  1 or 2 extra wins that have been added by Green and Krstic?  That's not all that impressive to me.  (Also, don't forget that we would have been able to bring in other players.  For instance, we wouldn't have Green, but we could have potentially had Battier or Anthony Parker, etc.)

I don't think that Danny would do the trade for such short-term results.  Rather, I think he thinks this trade makes us better in the long term.  Let's hope he is right.

The reality is we have more then enough big bodies, they are just out with injury right now so the trade obviously looks bad right now.

The real problem is our offense, Green and Krstic rarely touch the ball. I just find that odd. We bring them in as offensive options but ignore Krstic unless hes wide open for a jumper, he gets his points from husling and offensive rebounding, hes a very active big man.

Green barely gets involved. We are completely misusing our new guys, Doc refuses to go to them regularly. Our Big 3 are clearly coasting, and Rondo is playing badly, we need to get the ball to Green and Krstic.

Both are averaging close to 9 shot attempts a game since the trade. To say they barely touch the ball seems an exaggeration to me.

Yea but its they way they are tocuhing the ball, plays arent being called for them. Krstic is getting a ton of shot attempts via offensive rebounds and put-backs.

Green goes through long stretches where he doesent touch the ball at all.

They need to average 15+ shot attempts right now, and plays need to be run for them since Rondo and the Big 3 arent stepping up to the plate, they look tired and disinterested in playing. Why not run more plays for the new guys? Dont you think a Green or Krstic shot attempt is better then a wide open Rondo jumper? I think they are.

A Rondo jump shot is the absolute last resort offensive possesion that the Celtics want, thats exactly what the other teams want us to do, force Rondo into being the one shooting, and thats why teams are winning, beacuse Rondo is costing us games with his flaws.

I counted on multiple trips last night where Krstic was in position calling for the ball, but instead of passing it to him, Rondo took a jump shot, bricked or airballed, and NJ came back to score on the next trip down.

Our offense needs some huge adjustments, we need to get the ball OUT OF Rondos hands, and into other players. Rondo with the ball is not a good thing right now.

Jerry Stackhouse: "Coach said that gameplan for the Celtics was to embarass Rondo into shooting, thats how we are going to win the game"

Turns our the scouting report is dead on, when Rondo shoots, other teams win.

We need a change.

Jeff Green's usage is 22 with the C's, that's pretty high for a bench player. Higher than Glen Davis.

Nenad Kristic has a usage rate of 19, that's not huge but considering he mostly plays witht he starters that's pretty high too.

Rondo isn't playing well right now, but he's still our best player with the the ball in his hands to create a good shot. You can't go away from what has worked for most of the season too much.

Im not advocating changing it forever, I just think that while Rondo is slumping/injured that we need to change the way we are doing things during this time.

If Rondo is playing poorly, why are we staying with the same gameplan? Force the issue and lets get this thing moving in the right direction until Rondo decides to step up or gets rest.

  Do they change gameplans if KG or PP or RA are playing poorly?

[Megatron]

Im not advocating changing it forever, I just think that while Rondo is slumping/injured that we need to change the way we are doing things during this time.

If Rondo is playing poorly, why are we staying with the same gameplan? Force the issue and lets get this thing moving in the right direction until Rondo decides to step up or gets rest.

If a shooter is shooting poorly does cutting his shot attempts help him get out of his slump?

I'm all for cutting his minutes since he appears to be worn down physically, but while Rondo is in the game we need to continue to have him handle the ball and try and create. We'll need his offensive prowess to win a title this post-season.

Rondo isnt doing anything positive when handling the ball, and he also isnt creating, so how long are we going to go along with this game plan.

If the plan is to let Rondo walk the ball up the court, wait for 15 seconds then shoot a jump shot, that plan will fail.

We cant let this continue, if Rondo refuses to set up the offense and create, he needs to be benched in favor of a point guard who can actually make the open jumper.

[Fafnir]

Im not advocating changing it forever, I just think that while Rondo is slumping/injured that we need to change the way we are doing things during this time.

If Rondo is playing poorly, why are we staying with the same gameplan? Force the issue and lets get this thing moving in the right direction until Rondo decides to step up or gets rest.

If a shooter is shooting poorly does cutting his shot attempts help him get out of his slump?

I'm all for cutting his minutes since he appears to be worn down physically, but while Rondo is in the game we need to continue to have him handle the ball and try and create. We'll need his offensive prowess to win a title this post-season.

Rondo isnt doing anything positive when handling the ball, and he also isnt creating, so how long are we going to go along with this game plan.

If the plan is to let Rondo walk the ball up the court, wait for 15 seconds then shoot a jump shot, that plan will fail.

We cant let this continue, if Rondo refuses to set up the offense and create, he needs to be benched in favor of a point guard who can actually make the open jumper.

You think playing Rondo off the ball is the answer then? Rondo is far easier to defend when he doesn't have the ball since he's only a threat when he's near the rim, he doesn't have a catch and shoot game.

[barefacedmonk]

Jerry Stackhouse: "Coach said that gameplan for the Celtics was to embarass Rondo into shooting, thats how we are going to win the game"

Turns our the scouting report is dead on, when Rondo shoots, other teams win.

We need a change.

Yea, but what that Miami discard forgot to mention was that Rondo shot 50% in that game (5-10) had 11 points, 10 rebounds and 10 assists in a Celtics victory.

[Megatron]

I know some of you dont agree with my statements about changing the offensive game plan.

What are your feelings? Should we continue to run the exact same offense with Rondo not creating and the Big 3 not being aggressive, and continue to lose games to bad teams and "coast"?

Or should we get Krstic and Green more involved rather then going with the current game plan which is failing?

I just dont agree with continuing to coast and letting Rondo shoot jumpers. If that is going to continue I would rather have Delonte at point and Krstic/Green taking the most shots if the Big 3 are going to continue to be lethargic and "coast" waiting for the playoffs.

[Megatron]

Jerry Stackhouse: "Coach said that gameplan for the Celtics was to embarass Rondo into shooting, thats how we are going to win the game"

Turns our the scouting report is dead on, when Rondo shoots, other teams win.

We need a change.

Yea, but what that Miami discard forgot to mention was that Rondo shot 50% in that game (5-10) had 11 points, 10 rebounds and 10 assists in a Celtics victory.

That game was a rarity. If you were the other team, would you rather have Paul and Ray shooting jumpers, or Rondo?

[Fafnir]

BTW Megatron you do realize that 15 shot attempts per game would mean that Jeff Green/Krstic would be taking more shots than any of the big three have taken during their Celtics career together right?

You want two players who average less than 30 minutes per game to get that in the C's offense? Not going to happen, and if it did it would hurt the C's.

If you're talking about combined shot attempts, they already do at 17 per game.

I'm still curious to your thoughts on the is Megatron.

Because given the minutes that Green/Krstic play I think they're involved in the offense pretty heavily.

[barefacedmonk]

Jerry Stackhouse: "Coach said that gameplan for the Celtics was to embarass Rondo into shooting, thats how we are going to win the game"

Turns our the scouting report is dead on, when Rondo shoots, other teams win.

We need a change.

  Just curious, when did Stackhouse say that?

He said it during a Celtics halftime game on NBATV. He said it blunty to the point where his castmates didnt believe him, but he said that was the exact phrase the coach used.

  Ok, which coach told him that, and when did he?

Erik Spoelstra...before our third game against them. I wonder how that strategy worked out for them...Rondo put up a triple double.

[Megatron]

BTW Megatron you do realize that 15 shot attempts per game would mean that Jeff Green/Krstic would be taking more shots than any of the big three have taken during their Celtics career together right?

You want two players who average less than 30 minutes per game to get that in the C's offense? Not going to happen, and if it did it would hurt the C's.

If you're talking about combined shot attempts, they already do at 17 per game.

I'm still curious to your thoughts on the is Megatron.

Because given the minutes that Green/Krstic play I think they're involved in the offense pretty heavily.

Im just calling it how I see it, Rondo is completely ignoring Krstic when hes in position, and taking a jump shot instead, that is a bad possesion in my eyes.