Who else thinks we made out like bandits in the Perkins trade? I know I do.

[wdleehi]

 And then, there would be three big C that the Celtics could have healthy (or at least one of three) in the playoffs.  Right now, the there are only 2 with the hope that one of them will be healthy.

I'm confused by this.  Are you not counting Krstic?  I know he isn't Perkins, but he has proven to be a very solid NBA center, and has been getting better defensively by the game.  I think he needs to be a big part of the equation.

He is an offensive guy who has surprised us with some rebounds.  He can have a role for the Celtics trying to win.

He is not the guy that makes players think twice about going down the lane.  He is not the guy that pushes offensive low post players from their spots to make them uncomfortable.   

If the Celtics do not have that type of presence in the low post, their title chances do not look as bright. 


There is a skill type that the Celtics are missing on the floor right now that most would agree they need come playoff time.  There are two injured guys on the team that could provide it, if they are healthy to play in the playoffs.


This success game for the trade is a big pile of 'ifs' right now.  Anyone who says one way or the other is guessing. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

It's been nice to see Krstic rebounding has he has the last couple of games, but don't fall in love with it, and don't be disappointed when he doesn't seem to be rebounding well. It's not a strength of his, but very much welcomed when it happens.

[Chris]

 And then, there would be three big C that the Celtics could have healthy (or at least one of three) in the playoffs.  Right now, the there are only 2 with the hope that one of them will be healthy.

I'm confused by this.  Are you not counting Krstic?  I know he isn't Perkins, but he has proven to be a very solid NBA center, and has been getting better defensively by the game.  I think he needs to be a big part of the equation.

He is an offensive guy who has surprised us with some rebounds.  He can have a role for the Celtics trying to win.

He is not the guy that makes players think twice about going down the lane.  He is not the guy that pushes offensive low post players from their spots to make them uncomfortable.   

If the Celtics do not have that type of presence in the low post, their title chances do not look as bright. 


There is a skill type that the Celtics are missing on the floor right now that most would agree they need come playoff time.  There are two injured guys on the team that could provide it, if they are healthy to play in the playoffs.


This success game for the trade is a big pile of 'ifs' right now.  Anyone who says one way or the other is guessing. 

While I completely agree with this, I would also say that before the trade, they were missing a big man who can open up the floor offensively as a counter to the banger that Perk was.

Even before the trade, I argued that they needed JO to beat the Lakers.  He is the one guy they had who provided defense without clogging the offense.  And, now, they still need him.

Basically, they traded a 1 way player for another 1 way player.  Neither of them were going to be able to lead the team to a title without the health of JO IMO. 

[wdleehi]

 And then, there would be three big C that the Celtics could have healthy (or at least one of three) in the playoffs.  Right now, the there are only 2 with the hope that one of them will be healthy.

I'm confused by this.  Are you not counting Krstic?  I know he isn't Perkins, but he has proven to be a very solid NBA center, and has been getting better defensively by the game.  I think he needs to be a big part of the equation.

He is an offensive guy who has surprised us with some rebounds.  He can have a role for the Celtics trying to win.

He is not the guy that makes players think twice about going down the lane.  He is not the guy that pushes offensive low post players from their spots to make them uncomfortable.   

If the Celtics do not have that type of presence in the low post, their title chances do not look as bright. 


There is a skill type that the Celtics are missing on the floor right now that most would agree they need come playoff time.  There are two injured guys on the team that could provide it, if they are healthy to play in the playoffs.


This success game for the trade is a big pile of 'ifs' right now.  Anyone who says one way or the other is guessing. 

While I completely agree with this, I would also say that before the trade, they were missing a big man who can open up the floor offensively as a counter to the banger that Perk was.

Even before the trade, I argued that they needed JO to beat the Lakers.  He is the one guy they had who provided defense without clogging the offense.  And, now, they still need him.

Basically, they traded a 1 way player for another 1 way player.  Neither of them were going to be able to lead the team to a title without the health of JO IMO. 

Didn't they sign one in Murphy?  (who knows if he would have signed if Perk was still here)


I tend to fall on the side of tough interior defense. 

[Chris]

 And then, there would be three big C that the Celtics could have healthy (or at least one of three) in the playoffs.  Right now, the there are only 2 with the hope that one of them will be healthy.

I'm confused by this.  Are you not counting Krstic?  I know he isn't Perkins, but he has proven to be a very solid NBA center, and has been getting better defensively by the game.  I think he needs to be a big part of the equation.

He is an offensive guy who has surprised us with some rebounds.  He can have a role for the Celtics trying to win.

He is not the guy that makes players think twice about going down the lane.  He is not the guy that pushes offensive low post players from their spots to make them uncomfortable.   

If the Celtics do not have that type of presence in the low post, their title chances do not look as bright. 


There is a skill type that the Celtics are missing on the floor right now that most would agree they need come playoff time.  There are two injured guys on the team that could provide it, if they are healthy to play in the playoffs.


This success game for the trade is a big pile of 'ifs' right now.  Anyone who says one way or the other is guessing. 

While I completely agree with this, I would also say that before the trade, they were missing a big man who can open up the floor offensively as a counter to the banger that Perk was.

Even before the trade, I argued that they needed JO to beat the Lakers.  He is the one guy they had who provided defense without clogging the offense.  And, now, they still need him.

Basically, they traded a 1 way player for another 1 way player.  Neither of them were going to be able to lead the team to a title without the health of JO IMO. 

Didn't they sign one in Murphy?  (who knows if he would have signed if Perk was still here)


I tend to fall on the side of tough interior defense. 

Well, so far, Murphy has looked cooked.  My opinion might change if he returns to form, but right now, I would not have counted on him. 

And while gun to my head, I choose tough interior defense as well, I think the difference Perk makes over the rest of the guys C's have is overrated a bit, and I love what Green brings to this team. 

But again, I am counting on JO to be healthy, which I always felt was the key to this teams success.   

[Celtics4ever]

I thought Murph looked a little better last night actually.  He showed some flashes.   Not all world certainly but he actually made some shots.  I think we will know more in a week or two whether he is done or was just rusty.

[LooseCannon]

Yes, the Celtics would have been short handed at the C position until they signed another big man, but Perk would have returned.  And then, there would be three big C that the Celtics could have healthy (or at least one of three) in the playoffs.  Right now, the there are only 2 with the hope that one of them will be healthy.

I think that you are over-estimating the probability that Perk would be healthy for the playoffs.  With Perk+O'Nealx2, the Celtics are still hoping that two out of three are healthy.

[wdleehi]

Yes, the Celtics would have been short handed at the C position until they signed another big man, but Perk would have returned.  And then, there would be three big C that the Celtics could have healthy (or at least one of three) in the playoffs.  Right now, the there are only 2 with the hope that one of them will be healthy.

I think that you are over-estimating the probability that Perk would be healthy for the playoffs.  With Perk+O'Nealx2, the Celtics are still hoping that two out of three are healthy.

With the talk that Perk is a game or two away from returning with the Thunder, not really. 

[LooseCannon]

With the talk that Perk is a game or two away from returning with the Thunder, not really. 

I don't have a lot of faith in Perk being able to avoid re-injuring himself.  I would bet on him missing playoff games due to injury.

[wdleehi]

With the talk that Perk is a game or two away from returning with the Thunder, not really. 

I don't have a lot of faith in Perk being able to avoid re-injuring himself.  I would bet on him missing playoff games due to injury.

Why?  Outside of this season, he has been pretty healthy.

[Roy H.]

With the talk that Perk is a game or two away from returning with the Thunder, not really. 

I don't have a lot of faith in Perk being able to avoid re-injuring himself.  I would bet on him missing playoff games due to injury.

Why?  Outside of this season, he has been pretty healthy.

Yeah, I don't understand this, either.  Perk has never been particularly injury prone, and in the times where he has been injured, he's recovered very quickly.

There's definitely the possibility that he'll re-injure himself, but to predict that it's a near-certainty to happen just seems inconsistent with his track record.

[droopdog7]

With the talk that Perk is a game or two away from returning with the Thunder, not really. 

I don't have a lot of faith in Perk being able to avoid re-injuring himself.  I would bet on him missing playoff games due to injury.

Why?  Outside of this season, he has been pretty healthy.

Yeah, I don't understand this, either.  Perk has never been particularly injury prone, and in the times where he has been injured, he's recovered very quickly.

There's definitely the possibility that he'll re-injure himself, but to predict that it's a near-certainty to happen just seems inconsistent with his track record.

Two things.  Perk has missed games due to the shoulder.  Second, his history doesn't factor in as much now that he HAS injured his knee.  He is less than a year removed from the injury and you could tell that he was nohwere near as explosive when he cam back.  Also, many think he injured his other knee BECAUSE he was making up for the injured one.

So while Perk has been relatively durable, right now, less than a year after a major injury, you should be able to see why some fans may not see him as reliable.

[Chris]

With the talk that Perk is a game or two away from returning with the Thunder, not really. 

I don't have a lot of faith in Perk being able to avoid re-injuring himself.  I would bet on him missing playoff games due to injury.

Why?  Outside of this season, he has been pretty healthy.

Yeah, I don't understand this, either.  Perk has never been particularly injury prone, and in the times where he has been injured, he's recovered very quickly.

There's definitely the possibility that he'll re-injure himself, but to predict that it's a near-certainty to happen just seems inconsistent with his track record.

Well, the second knee injury was a major red flag IMO.  While it may have been a coincidence, it also may have been due to overcompensating for the injured knee (which happens all the time, and is why in football, linemen who have had a knee injury generally wear braces on both knees).

I think it is certainly a concern, but I also have to agree with you, its not a reason to trade the guy.

Honestly, I really think the injury angle is a cop-out on this trade.  This was about value, the future, and philosophy.

Danny never has liked 1 way players that much, and has been looking to move Perkins for a couple years.  He feels that basketball is a 2-way game, and a guy who does not add on both ends of the floor is always replacable.  While he believes in defense, I think it really pained him to have guys out there who were liabilities offensively.  

It wasn't because of injuries, it was because Danny did not feel that Perks game was what made this team great, and he felt he could replace him and they would be just as good, if not better with the addition of Green, and a more offensively talented front court.

[Prof. Clutch]

[Roy H.]

With the talk that Perk is a game or two away from returning with the Thunder, not really. 

I don't have a lot of faith in Perk being able to avoid re-injuring himself.  I would bet on him missing playoff games due to injury.

Why?  Outside of this season, he has been pretty healthy.

Yeah, I don't understand this, either.  Perk has never been particularly injury prone, and in the times where he has been injured, he's recovered very quickly.

There's definitely the possibility that he'll re-injure himself, but to predict that it's a near-certainty to happen just seems inconsistent with his track record.

Two things.  Perk has missed games due to the shoulder.  Second, his history doesn't factor in as much now that he HAS injured his knee.  He is less than a year removed from the injury and you could tell that he was nohwere near as explosive when he cam back.  Also, many think he injured his other knee BECAUSE he was making up for the injured one.

So while Perk has been relatively durable, right now, less than a year after a major injury, you should be able to see why some fans may not see him as reliable.

He didn't miss much time due to his shoulder.  It's not like he's fragile.

And yes, he injured his knee.  That puts him at risk of further injury, but it doesn't make it a near certainty -- or even likely -- that he will be re-injured in the short term.  Hundreds of athletes suffer knee injuries in their careers, and many of them have surgery and never have a further problem.  I mean, are Pats fans saying that it's likely that Tom Brady will miss next season due to injury, just because he hurt his knee in the past?

It's fair to wonder about his explosiveness, which is why I feel that the previous 12 games he played are probably more indicative of the Perk you'll see the rest of the season, as opposed to last year's version.  However, it just seems totally off the wall to predict that he'll be out for the season, or that he'll suffer re-injury.  Predictions like that are based on no evidence whatsoever.