So refreshing to see a real backup pg out there

[2short]

Why should we settle for him being a backup?  He's already a better shooter and has better fundamentals than Rondo.  He's a better fit beside the "big three", while Rondo could be a spark plug off the bench for us.  In the off-season, we could look to trade Rondo for a better fit, like Mo Williams or Ray Felton.

(Even saying that sarcastically hurts.  Vomit.  I do like the Arroyo signing, though.)

You know Roy I briefly thought someone highjacked your moniker here.  Then in really small print for old eyes I saw the sarcasm.
I am very happy danny got arroyo who is a true pg.  I think we've taken care of the PP backup but Bradley is not a backup (so far  ) and we really have piled the minutes onto Rondo.  Bradley is an nba defender for man on but every other aspect of his game points towards he should have stayed in college.  DWest is a combo guard who can fill a stat sheet but is not really a point guard.  I think if delonte stayed healthy this year he would have been very important in making the win lost record something to be impressed at.  Sadly the only guy that delonte has "outplayed" on the celtics this year is Jermaine ONeil.   Delonte's style has always been all out with the chance of injuries galore.  I hope we can count on him soon but if not arroyo is possibly the best backup we've had for rondo.  Of course the choices are eddie who couldn't bring the ball up with pressure but could shoot lights out, sam cassell who thought he was still an all star, marbury who was cooked, nate a 5'8" shooting guard, telfair, pruitt, and bradley. jeez

[feckless]

I thought Arroyo looked good as a 2 but did not like his decisions nor his shot selection nor his activity when he was the back-up PG --I think being a 3rd option at point is just right for Carlos.

[AlexC45]

I thought Arroyo looked good as a 2 but did not like his decisions nor his shot selection nor his activity when he was the back-up PG --I think being a 3rd option at point is just right for Carlos.

Lol you seem to know alot about basketball.

[byennie]

meh...Delonte aka "Mr. Glass". Has never been a really reliable PG. It's nice to have him back but I like the idea of the 2 playing in tandem as Arroyo is a much better ballhandler than West and neither are great defensively so you don't lose much there. You hopefully just get better offense and playmaking.

Sorry buck but you are way off here.  Delonte is an outstanding defensive player.  Always has been. 

West may not be a great defender but in the few games he has played, at times he has defended better than RR! So West can give you nice offense and good D.

Huh?? Maybe you're thinking of David West, or Mario West , or some other West but I'm not off at all. Delonte has always lacked poor lateral footspeed. His first go around here he was abused with almost turnstyle-esque regularity and not all that much has changed though he is now a smarter defender. Delonte is many things but "great" defender has NEVER been one of them. He hustles. He's pretty smart so he uses that to his advantage but to try to put him in Rondo's category defensively is about as laughable as it gets.

This scouting report (among others) seems to disagree with you:

"West is one of the league's most underrated wing defenders. Synergy Sports rated him the second-best defensive player in the league after Ron Artest, and while I wouldn't quite go that far, he's quick, tenacious and has long arms. "

[Edgar]

meh...Delonte aka "Mr. Glass". Has never been a really reliable PG. It's nice to have him back but I like the idea of the 2 playing in tandem as Arroyo is a much better ballhandler than West and neither are great defensively so you don't lose much there. You hopefully just get better offense and playmaking.

Sorry buck but you are way off here.  Delonte is an outstanding defensive player.  Always has been. 

West may not be a great defender but in the few games he has played, at times he has defended better than RR! So West can give you nice offense and good D.

Huh?? Maybe you're thinking of David West, or Mario West , or some other West but I'm not off at all. Delonte has always lacked poor lateral footspeed. His first go around here he was abused with almost turnstyle-esque regularity and not all that much has changed though he is now a smarter defender. Delonte is many things but "great" defender has NEVER been one of them. He hustles. He's pretty smart so he uses that to his advantage but to try to put him in Rondo's category defensively is about as laughable as it gets.

This scouting report (among others) seems to disagree with you:

"West is one of the league's most underrated wing defenders. Synergy Sports rated him the second-best defensive player in the league after Ron Artest, and while I wouldn't quite go that far, he's quick, tenacious and has long arms. "

[Edgar]

meh...Delonte aka "Mr. Glass". Has never been a really reliable PG. It's nice to have him back but I like the idea of the 2 playing in tandem as Arroyo is a much better ballhandler than West and neither are great defensively so you don't lose much there. You hopefully just get better offense and playmaking.

Sorry buck but you are way off here.  Delonte is an outstanding defensive player.  Always has been. 

West may not be a great defender but in the few games he has played, at times he has defended better than RR! So West can give you nice offense and good D.

Huh?? Maybe you're thinking of David West, or Mario West , or some other West but I'm not off at all. Delonte has always lacked poor lateral footspeed. His first go around here he was abused with almost turnstyle-esque regularity and not all that much has changed though he is now a smarter defender. Delonte is many things but "great" defender has NEVER been one of them. He hustles. He's pretty smart so he uses that to his advantage but to try to put him in Rondo's category defensively is about as laughable as it gets.

This scouting report (among others) seems to disagree with you:

"West is one of the league's most underrated wing defenders. Synergy Sports rated him the second-best defensive player in the league after Ron Artest, and while I wouldn't quite go that far, he's quick, tenacious and has long arms. "

defender, ofender ;P WHAT is certain is that delonte is a playaaaaaaaa

[AlexC45]

meh...Delonte aka "Mr. Glass". Has never been a really reliable PG. It's nice to have him back but I like the idea of the 2 playing in tandem as Arroyo is a much better ballhandler than West and neither are great defensively so you don't lose much there. You hopefully just get better offense and playmaking.

Sorry buck but you are way off here.  Delonte is an outstanding defensive player.  Always has been. 

West may not be a great defender but in the few games he has played, at times he has defended better than RR! So West can give you nice offense and good D.

Huh?? Maybe you're thinking of David West, or Mario West , or some other West but I'm not off at all. Delonte has always lacked poor lateral footspeed. His first go around here he was abused with almost turnstyle-esque regularity and not all that much has changed though he is now a smarter defender. Delonte is many things but "great" defender has NEVER been one of them. He hustles. He's pretty smart so he uses that to his advantage but to try to put him in Rondo's category defensively is about as laughable as it gets.

This scouting report (among others) seems to disagree with you:

"West is one of the league's most underrated wing defenders. Synergy Sports rated him the second-best defensive player in the league after Ron Artest, and while I wouldn't quite go that far, he's quick, tenacious and has long arms. "

No disrespect bro but Synergy Sports half of the stuff you get there is garbage.

[Greenbean]

What is clear, at least until the playoffs, is that there is plenty of room in the rotation for both Arroyo and West when he is healthy.

When the rotation is shortened for the playoffs, I suspect Delonte will get the nod as the primary backup at the 1 and 2 with Arroyo being used situationally. Based on only one game though I can see Doc trusting this guy to play some good minutes in some playoff games.

But for the regular season we dont have to make this an Arroyo vs. West thing. Plenty of minutes for both. Wafer is out for the remainder of the season.

[Rondo9dunx]

Popcorn, PLAYA!!!!

[Rondo9dunx]

Seriously tho, Delonte is on off-guard who just happens to be a much better PG than most other off-guards.

There will be plenty of minutes for both, I don't think anyone is gonna argue they are both better than Wafer lol

[droopdog7]

I think Arroyo may make West the odd man out at PG.  But he is most likely a stop gap.  West can then be moved to SG sending Von Wafer to the deep end of the bench.  He played two guard in college and isn't a bad shot.  West is a combo guard.  He can play point but not really create shots.  What I like best about him is his grit and hustle.  I just wish he could stay healthy.

Bradley is a rookie, he is a good defender, I concur but he still gets a lot of those Rookie fouls.  He is a little raw in terms of his offensive skills.  I think he came out too early and is going to be a late bloomer but we could have something in a year or two.  He really isn't a PG though and seems to have more SG instincts.

For this year Arroyo is better presently than either of these two.  West can't stay on the court and Bradley is a rook.   

No way in Hades should Arroyo make West the odd man out.  Or even push West to SG. 

[Greenbean]

I think Arroyo may make West the odd man out at PG.  But he is most likely a stop gap.  West can then be moved to SG sending Von Wafer to the deep end of the bench.  He played two guard in college and isn't a bad shot.  West is a combo guard.  He can play point but not really create shots.  What I like best about him is his grit and hustle.  I just wish he could stay healthy.

Bradley is a rookie, he is a good defender, I concur but he still gets a lot of those Rookie fouls.  He is a little raw in terms of his offensive skills.  I think he came out too early and is going to be a late bloomer but we could have something in a year or two.  He really isn't a PG though and seems to have more SG instincts.

For this year Arroyo is better presently than either of these two.  West can't stay on the court and Bradley is a rook.   

No way in Hades should Arroyo make West the odd man out.  Or even push West to SG. 

So you think that Delonte is a better pg than Arroyo? You dont think both should play? With Wafer out who is the backup 2?

[AlexC45]

I think Arroyo may make West the odd man out at PG.  But he is most likely a stop gap.  West can then be moved to SG sending Von Wafer to the deep end of the bench.  He played two guard in college and isn't a bad shot.  West is a combo guard.  He can play point but not really create shots.  What I like best about him is his grit and hustle.  I just wish he could stay healthy.

Bradley is a rookie, he is a good defender, I concur but he still gets a lot of those Rookie fouls.  He is a little raw in terms of his offensive skills.  I think he came out too early and is going to be a late bloomer but we could have something in a year or two.  He really isn't a PG though and seems to have more SG instincts.

For this year Arroyo is better presently than either of these two.  West can't stay on the court and Bradley is a rook.   

No way in Hades should Arroyo make West the odd man out.  Or even push West to SG. 

At this point is not fair to say whos better arroyo or west , their numbers are very similar in the stat sheet , the only thing arroyo has over delonte this year is that his healthy and that he is in game shape , but other than that remains to be seen. Like i said before i see doc using delonte at the 2 with arroyo at the point let just a couple of games go by and lets see what happens.

[droopdog7]

I think Arroyo may make West the odd man out at PG.  But he is most likely a stop gap.  West can then be moved to SG sending Von Wafer to the deep end of the bench.  He played two guard in college and isn't a bad shot.  West is a combo guard.  He can play point but not really create shots.  What I like best about him is his grit and hustle.  I just wish he could stay healthy.

Bradley is a rookie, he is a good defender, I concur but he still gets a lot of those Rookie fouls.  He is a little raw in terms of his offensive skills.  I think he came out too early and is going to be a late bloomer but we could have something in a year or two.  He really isn't a PG though and seems to have more SG instincts.

For this year Arroyo is better presently than either of these two.  West can't stay on the court and Bradley is a rook.   

No way in Hades should Arroyo make West the odd man out.  Or even push West to SG. 

So you think that Delonte is a better pg than Arroyo? You dont think both should play? With Wafer out who is the backup 2?

I think it's fine for Arroyo to play now, but I don't think he should be part of the rotation when it counts.  I understand that he is a natural PG but I also know that he is a below average PG.  Delonte has a better shot, is better at creating his own shot, is bigger and stronger, is a better defender, and also has also know the team better.  My biggest conern with Arroyo is that he would get exposed defensively and that he wouldn't step up in general.

So I see him as nothing more than an insurance policy in case Delonte can't play, which is obviously a concern.  But, if Delonte is healthy then no, I don't think that Arroyo should play.

[AlexC45]

I think Arroyo may make West the odd man out at PG.  But he is most likely a stop gap.  West can then be moved to SG sending Von Wafer to the deep end of the bench.  He played two guard in college and isn't a bad shot.  West is a combo guard.  He can play point but not really create shots.  What I like best about him is his grit and hustle.  I just wish he could stay healthy.

Bradley is a rookie, he is a good defender, I concur but he still gets a lot of those Rookie fouls.  He is a little raw in terms of his offensive skills.  I think he came out too early and is going to be a late bloomer but we could have something in a year or two.  He really isn't a PG though and seems to have more SG instincts.

For this year Arroyo is better presently than either of these two.  West can't stay on the court and Bradley is a rook.   

No way in Hades should Arroyo make West the odd man out.  Or even push West to SG. 

So you think that Delonte is a better pg than Arroyo? You dont think both should play? With Wafer out who is the backup 2?

I think it's fine for Arroyo to play now, but I don't think he should be part of the rotation when it counts.  I understand that he is a natural PG but I also know that he is a below average PG.  Delonte has a better shot, is better at creating his own shot, is bigger and stronger, is a better defender, and also has also know the team better.  My biggest conern with Arroyo is that he would get exposed defensively and that he wouldn't step up in general.

So I see him as nothing more than an insurance policy in case Delonte can't play, which is obviously a concern.  But, if Delonte is healthy then no, I don't think that Arroyo should play.

Sometimes people get lock down on how a player gets judge over all , dont matter if good or bad , let me tell you a fact not only because im an arroyo fan but because i watch basketball alot since i was a kid is my addiction , the point is you cannot compare west with arroyo right now , west havent been on game shape for a while , arroyo has. Not fair to compare on previous years because as of now west is an injury prone , besides that fact i just stated Arroyo has not have green light since he played for the jazz and a little bit at orlando , arroyo has better control than west better shooting 3pt percentage got way better this year and his defense improved way more than what he gets credit for , trust west is not going to get carlos minutes if anything carlos is taking west minutes , like i have said in other post i see delonte playing shooting guard , the guy i see riding the bench is wafer if west gets healthy.