So refreshing to see a real backup pg out there

[clover]

I think Arroyo may make West the odd man out at PG.  But he is most likely a stop gap.  West can then be moved to SG sending Von Wafer to the deep end of the bench.  He played two guard in college and isn't a bad shot.  West is a combo guard.  He can play point but not really create shots.  What I like best about him is his grit and hustle.  I just wish he could stay healthy.

Bradley is a rookie, he is a good defender, I concur but he still gets a lot of those Rookie fouls.  He is a little raw in terms of his offensive skills.  I think he came out too early and is going to be a late bloomer but we could have something in a year or two.  He really isn't a PG though and seems to have more SG instincts.

For this year Arroyo is better presently than either of these two.  West can't stay on the court and Bradley is a rook.   

No way in Hades should Arroyo make West the odd man out.  Or even push West to SG. 

So you think that Delonte is a better pg than Arroyo? You dont think both should play? With Wafer out who is the backup 2?

I think it's fine for Arroyo to play now, but I don't think he should be part of the rotation when it counts.  I understand that he is a natural PG but I also know that he is a below average PG.  Delonte has a better shot, is better at creating his own shot, is bigger and stronger, is a better defender, and also has also know the team better.  My biggest conern with Arroyo is that he would get exposed defensively and that he wouldn't step up in general.

So I see him as nothing more than an insurance policy in case Delonte can't play, which is obviously a concern.  But, if Delonte is healthy then no, I don't think that Arroyo should play.

Is West bigger and stronger?  Arroyo is listed as 20 pounds heavier and he's not injury fragile.

[AlexC45]

I think Arroyo may make West the odd man out at PG.  But he is most likely a stop gap.  West can then be moved to SG sending Von Wafer to the deep end of the bench.  He played two guard in college and isn't a bad shot.  West is a combo guard.  He can play point but not really create shots.  What I like best about him is his grit and hustle.  I just wish he could stay healthy.

Bradley is a rookie, he is a good defender, I concur but he still gets a lot of those Rookie fouls.  He is a little raw in terms of his offensive skills.  I think he came out too early and is going to be a late bloomer but we could have something in a year or two.  He really isn't a PG though and seems to have more SG instincts.

For this year Arroyo is better presently than either of these two.  West can't stay on the court and Bradley is a rook.   

No way in Hades should Arroyo make West the odd man out.  Or even push West to SG. 

So you think that Delonte is a better pg than Arroyo? You dont think both should play? With Wafer out who is the backup 2?

I think it's fine for Arroyo to play now, but I don't think he should be part of the rotation when it counts.  I understand that he is a natural PG but I also know that he is a below average PG.  Delonte has a better shot, is better at creating his own shot, is bigger and stronger, is a better defender, and also has also know the team better.  My biggest conern with Arroyo is that he would get exposed defensively and that he wouldn't step up in general.

So I see him as nothing more than an insurance policy in case Delonte can't play, which is obviously a concern.  But, if Delonte is healthy then no, I don't think that Arroyo should play.

Is West bigger and stronger?  Arroyo is listed as 20 pounds heavier and he's not injury fragile.

TP for that , people just get locked in in names too much and dont really see the value of other players.

[ThaPreacher]

First of all, Delonte:  He is a warrior.  He can make big shots.  Is fearless and can play under pressure.  If he's healthy he is going to get minutes at both the one and the two guard spot.

Second of all: Arroyo:  He is a heady point guard.  He sees the court well, and can run an offense.  But do not confuse his skills.  He will get some minutes spelling Rondo.  But if he cannot hit a foul line jumper.  He will be sitting next to Lucky the Lepraucan.   

Oops strike that.  Lucky left town before Scalabrine headed to Chicago.

If Arroyo can't prove he can hit the mid range jumpshot. He  will be sitting next to Avery Bradley watching the Celtic girls dance.

[AlexC45]

First of all, Delonte:  He is a warrior.  He can make big shots.  Is fearless and can play under pressure.  If he's healthy he is going to get minutes at both the one and the two guard spot.

Second of all: Arroyo:  He is a heady point guard.  He sees the court well, and can run an offense.  But do not confuse his skills.  He will get some minutes spelling Rondo.  But if he cannot hit a foul line jumper.  He will be sitting next to Lucky the Lepraucan.   

Oops strike that.  Lucky left town before Scalabrine headed to Chicago.

If Arroyo can't prove he can hit the mid range jumpshot. He  will be sitting next to Avery Bradley watching the Celtic girls dance.

Just by your post i can tell you have not seen arroyo play enough to judge him , because he is a good free throw shooter and he is very good mid range shooter , this year he has 3 perfect games one was 5of 5 ,7of7 and 9of9 meaning he is very good , the only down fault arroyo really has this year is not taking open shots when he has  them thats the only thing i would change other than that , this year west have nothing on arroyo.

[gar]

Regardless how you slice it. We are three deep at all positions. There are many options at the PG/SG positions. Doc has never been very good at exploiting matchups; but he will have to be if we are going to take advantage of the new roster. That said, we have lost flexibility at the Center/PF positions unless Doc is able to use Green effectively at the PF position. Not sure we have ever had this kind of depth at G/F and SF positions!

Rondo / West / Arroyo (bradley)
RA / West / Wafer
Pierce / Green / Sasha P
KG / BBD / Green (murphy)
Shaq / Krstic / JO

[AlexC45]

Regardless how you slice it. We are three deep at all positions. There are many options at the PG/SG positions. Doc has never been very good at exploiting matchups; but he will have to be if we are going to take advantage of the new roster. That said, we have lost flexibility at the Center/PF positions unless Doc is able to use Green effectively at the PF position. Not sure we have ever had this kind of depth at G/F and SF positions!

Rondo / West / Arroyo (bradley)
RA / West / Wafer
Pierce / Green / Sasha P
KG / BBD / Green (murphy)
Shaq / Krstic / JO

This is how i see it happening come playoff time


Rondo / Arroyo /West
RA / West / Green
Pierce / Green / Sasha P
KG / BBD / Green
Shaq / Krstic / JO

[ThaPreacher]

First of all, Delonte:  He is a warrior.  He can make big shots.  Is fearless and can play under pressure.  If he's healthy he is going to get minutes at both the one and the two guard spot.

Second of all: Arroyo:  He is a heady point guard.  He sees the court well, and can run an offense.  But do not confuse his skills.  He will get some minutes spelling Rondo.  But if he cannot hit a foul line jumper.  He will be sitting next to Lucky the Lepraucan.  

Oops strike that.  Lucky left town before Scalabrine headed to Chicago.

If Arroyo can't prove he can hit the mid range jumpshot. He  will be sitting next to Avery Bradley watching the Celtic girls dance.

Just by your post i can tell you have not seen arroyo play enough to judge him , because he is a good free throw shooter and he is very good mid range shooter , this year he has 3 perfect games one was 5of 5 ,7of7 and 9of9 meaning he is very good , the only down fault arroyo really has this year is not taking open shots when he has  them thats the only thing i would change other than that , this year west have nothing on arroyo.

I saw Carlos miss two easy jumpers last night.  (easy being unguarded and inside the free throw line).  I saw Paul Pierce grimace as these were key shots.  I have followed him for a long time and like many things in his game. As I said, he is a heady point guard.  He is tough.  He competes.  However, backing up Rondo, whoever is on the court needs to be able to spread the court by creating at least the illusion that they are an offensive threat.    
If this is to be Carlos, he must shoot when open.  And he must knock down his shots at a 40 percent clip or better.

FYI: This isn't a man crush war. ****.

I think you misunderstood my point.    However let me spit some knowledge about the playoffs.

Carlos Arroyo:  In the playoffs is a 0.388  FG percentage shooter and a .773 free throw shooter


Delonte West:  In the playoffs FG percentage is   .439  and       .845 percent  from the foul line.

And that is career percentages.  It doesn't matter what we think today.  Doc's gonna ride the hot hand.

[AlexC45]

**** , no im basing myself on this year performance by him , but you right he miss 2 shot while he only attempted 3 so reall you cannot judge a player by attempting so little. Like i said before if anything he needs to gain confidance and start shooting , did you see his percentages this year , this is by far his best shooting season , but i agree with many he has to prove it now , and not panic , i never wanted you to think that i think west sucks , is just that im sure west is not going to be able to get in game shape that quick , but if he does amen to that , the one that i really see as the odd man out is wafer.

[BudweiserCeltic]

West is going nowhere. The only question here is whether Arroyo will be part of the rotation or not, and take the PG responsibilities or not from West.

From what I've seen so far, a very good case Arroyo is making for himself to play 10 minutes or so.

As far as I see it, West will always be the first sub in in the 1/2 positions.

Now, if he he's sucking, then that's a different issue we'll face when it comes, but West has bounced back from injuries often enough that I'm not worried about his form in his return.

@ThePreacher, If you saw Pierce grimace is was probably after the 2nd shot in the 4th quarter when the ball rattled out. It wasn't a grimace of "man, this guy sucks shooting" but a grimace of "Man, that was in and it came out, and we needed that". And considering that everyone was missing open jumpers in that game, except surprisingly Rondo, then I don't think it's worth noting much.

[AlexC45]

For me it all takes time and i think arroyo is making a very good case reason why i think the second unit is going to look more like this


2nd unit

pg arroyo
sg west
sf green
pf krtic
c oneal

[BudweiserCeltic]

Krstic won't be playing any PF.

[Redz]

He can dribble the ball, pass the ball, and occasionally shoot.  What I like most about him is that he does none of the above while looking like a chicken with its head cut off.  This alone sets him above many of the backups we've seen in the past few years.  Just look like you belong on the court with the ball and you're good in my book.

[jayk009]

uhhh...Delonte West did just fine playing the 2 guard in Cleveland and he did a fine job guarding opposing 2 guards as well. I don't see why everyone thinks it's absolutely necessary that Delonte needs to play the backup 1. There's no reason why Delonte and Carlos can't co-exist, this just means we don't have to see Bradley or Wafer play for us... which imo is a good thing.

[AlexC45]

Thats why im predicting arroyo playing along side with west, hell we already saw arroyo and rondo and those few minutes they had together they played very well so thats why i think we will see arroyo with west alot.

[AlexC45]

Krstic won't be playing any PF.

Why you think that?