Rumor: Celts offering Nate and 1st rounder for Dudley

[winsomme]

Phoenix needs to figure out what the heck their plan is. They have a very strange assortment of long term contracts.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

honestly, I think they just need to start cleaning house and if that's the case, nate + a 1st rounder is not a bad deal for jared.

Dudley is one of the guys with a good contract. They're trying to dump Childress right now.

yeah but he's a bit part for that team and his contract is long term...I think they need to just start over. They made that decision IMO when they didn't re-sign Amare

You don't dump good salary when you try to rebuild, you dump the bad ones.

Warrick/Childress are the issues, not Dudley.

JD is an issue because his contract is long term and he is not a key piece. They need to be acquiring picks and shorter term contracts....

Warrick and Childress are harder to move which is why I think we are hearing JDs name popping up.

[Fafnir]

Phoenix needs to figure out what the heck their plan is. They have a very strange assortment of long term contracts.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

honestly, I think they just need to start cleaning house and if that's the case, nate + a 1st rounder is not a bad deal for jared.

Dudley is one of the guys with a good contract. They're trying to dump Childress right now.

yeah but he's a bit part for that team and his contract is long term...I think they need to just start over. They made that decision IMO when they didn't re-sign Amare

You don't dump good salary when you try to rebuild, you dump the bad ones.

Warrick/Childress are the issues, not Dudley.

JD is an issue because his contract is long term and he is not a key piece. They need to be acquiring picks and shorter term contracts....

Warrick and Childress are harder to move which is why I think we are hearing JDs name popping up.

So you move your good players for low first round picks and hold on to the bad ones?

If they're not trading Nash, they shouldn't be trading their other rotation players for peanuts. His salary isn't an issue, he's producing. Salary dumps are necessary for unproductive players.

[fairweatherfan]

Phoenix needs to figure out what the heck their plan is. They have a very strange assortment of long term contracts.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

honestly, I think they just need to start cleaning house and if that's the case, nate + a 1st rounder is not a bad deal for jared.

Dudley is one of the guys with a good contract. They're trying to dump Childress right now.

yeah but he's a bit part for that team and his contract is long term...I think they need to just start over. They made that decision IMO when they didn't re-sign Amare

You don't dump good salary when you try to rebuild, you dump the bad ones.

Warrick/Childress are the issues, not Dudley.

JD is an issue because his contract is long term and he is not a key piece. They need to be acquiring picks and shorter term contracts....

Warrick and Childress are harder to move which is why I think we are hearing JDs name popping up.

They'd be dumb to trade Dudley but never underestimate Sarver's willingness to dump salary.

[hpantazo]

Phoenix needs to figure out what the heck their plan is. They have a very strange assortment of long term contracts.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

honestly, I think they just need to start cleaning house and if that's the case, nate + a 1st rounder is not a bad deal for jared.

Dudley is one of the guys with a good contract. They're trying to dump Childress right now.

yeah but he's a bit part for that team and his contract is long term...I think they need to just start over. They made that decision IMO when they didn't re-sign Amare

You don't dump good salary when you try to rebuild, you dump the bad ones.

Warrick/Childress are the issues, not Dudley.

JD is an issue because his contract is long term and he is not a key piece. They need to be acquiring picks and shorter term contracts....

Warrick and Childress are harder to move which is why I think we are hearing JDs name popping up.

They'd be dumb to trade Dudley but never underestimate Sarver's willingness to dump salary.

yea, didn't we buy Rondo from them for just cash on draft night?

[BballTim]

Phoenix needs to figure out what the heck their plan is. They have a very strange assortment of long term contracts.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

honestly, I think they just need to start cleaning house and if that's the case, nate + a 1st rounder is not a bad deal for jared.

Dudley is one of the guys with a good contract. They're trying to dump Childress right now.

yeah but he's a bit part for that team and his contract is long term...I think they need to just start over. They made that decision IMO when they didn't re-sign Amare

You don't dump good salary when you try to rebuild, you dump the bad ones.

Warrick/Childress are the issues, not Dudley.

  Some teams dump all salary, not just bad salary. Not that they should try and trade Dudley and keep Childress, but getting rid of Josh would probably be pretty costly.

[winsomme]

Phoenix needs to figure out what the heck their plan is. They have a very strange assortment of long term contracts.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

honestly, I think they just need to start cleaning house and if that's the case, nate + a 1st rounder is not a bad deal for jared.

Dudley is one of the guys with a good contract. They're trying to dump Childress right now.

yeah but he's a bit part for that team and his contract is long term...I think they need to just start over. They made that decision IMO when they didn't re-sign Amare

You don't dump good salary when you try to rebuild, you dump the bad ones.

Warrick/Childress are the issues, not Dudley.

JD is an issue because his contract is long term and he is not a key piece. They need to be acquiring picks and shorter term contracts....

Warrick and Childress are harder to move which is why I think we are hearing JDs name popping up.

So you move your good players for low first round picks and hold on to the bad ones?

If they're not trading Nash, they shouldn't be trading their other rotation players for peanuts. His salary isn't an issue, he's producing. Salary dumps are necessary for unproductive players.

well there's a reason JDs name is out there. To me JDs contract is only good on a team with a stable core (like the Cs) where he fills a role for decent money.

for PHO, they need to be opening up future cap space, stockpiling picks, and getting ready for hopefully a brief run to the bottom...

[arctic 3.0]

Phoenix needs to figure out what the heck their plan is. They have a very strange assortment of long term contracts.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

honestly, I think they just need to start cleaning house and if that's the case, nate + a 1st rounder is not a bad deal for jared.

Dudley is one of the guys with a good contract. They're trying to dump Childress right now.

yeah but he's a bit part for that team and his contract is long term...I think they need to just start over. They made that decision IMO when they didn't re-sign Amare

You don't dump good salary when you try to rebuild, you dump the bad ones.

Warrick/Childress are the issues, not Dudley.

well then how about...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4jyw87t

warrick and childress for jo MD and bradley
I know we take on long term contracts but they are reasonable for young athletic players who can solidify our bench for years
rondo, west
allen, wafer
pierce, childress, warrick
KG, baby, warrick
Perk, shaq, erden

Warrick doesn't play the type of defense that gets you minutes on this team.

I think we've seen a number of players improve their defense wit the C's.
both MD and Wafer steped up defensively this year.
with Warrick's athleticism and length he could be a solid defender in this system

I agree with that but I don't think he would be a viable defender for the Celtics this year.

not sure he would have to be. warick would be behind KG and BBD on the depth chart. who occupies that spot now? Luke?

we make the move for a back up 3. loose virtually nothing (a chucker an aarp member and an injured for the duration player) and get a decent project swing forward in the deal.

[Donoghus]

Phoenix needs to figure out what the heck their plan is. They have a very strange assortment of long term contracts.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

honestly, I think they just need to start cleaning house and if that's the case, nate + a 1st rounder is not a bad deal for jared.

Dudley is one of the guys with a good contract. They're trying to dump Childress right now.

yeah but he's a bit part for that team and his contract is long term...I think they need to just start over. They made that decision IMO when they didn't re-sign Amare

You don't dump good salary when you try to rebuild, you dump the bad ones.

Warrick/Childress are the issues, not Dudley.

JD is an issue because his contract is long term and he is not a key piece. They need to be acquiring picks and shorter term contracts....

Warrick and Childress are harder to move which is why I think we are hearing JDs name popping up.

It's not an issue if its a reasonable contract from a money standpoint and the player is productive and living up to his contract.  I don't think people are pointing at Dudley and saying he's overpaid or its an awful contract because of the money (which it isnt) or the years.

There is no harm in carrying a guy on your roster who fits that mold (like Dudley) if the contract is longterm.

[winsomme]

Phoenix needs to figure out what the heck their plan is. They have a very strange assortment of long term contracts.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

honestly, I think they just need to start cleaning house and if that's the case, nate + a 1st rounder is not a bad deal for jared.

Dudley is one of the guys with a good contract. They're trying to dump Childress right now.

yeah but he's a bit part for that team and his contract is long term...I think they need to just start over. They made that decision IMO when they didn't re-sign Amare

You don't dump good salary when you try to rebuild, you dump the bad ones.

Warrick/Childress are the issues, not Dudley.

  Some teams dump all salary, not just bad salary. Not that they should try and trade Dudley and keep Childress, but getting rid of Josh would probably be pretty costly.

remember when PHO traded Kurt Thomas and TWO first round picks to SEA for salary relief...

[Fafnir]

Phoenix needs to figure out what the heck their plan is. They have a very strange assortment of long term contracts.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

honestly, I think they just need to start cleaning house and if that's the case, nate + a 1st rounder is not a bad deal for jared.

Dudley is one of the guys with a good contract. They're trying to dump Childress right now.

yeah but he's a bit part for that team and his contract is long term...I think they need to just start over. They made that decision IMO when they didn't re-sign Amare

You don't dump good salary when you try to rebuild, you dump the bad ones.

Warrick/Childress are the issues, not Dudley.

  Some teams dump all salary, not just bad salary. Not that they should try and trade Dudley and keep Childress, but getting rid of Josh would probably be pretty costly.

remember when PHO traded Kurt Thomas and TWO first round picks to SEA for salary relief...

That was to get them under the luxury tax, the Suns aren't at that threshold. Thus the marginal cost of a guy like Dudley isn't something that they are going to just dump.

[winsomme]

Phoenix needs to figure out what the heck their plan is. They have a very strange assortment of long term contracts.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

honestly, I think they just need to start cleaning house and if that's the case, nate + a 1st rounder is not a bad deal for jared.

Dudley is one of the guys with a good contract. They're trying to dump Childress right now.

yeah but he's a bit part for that team and his contract is long term...I think they need to just start over. They made that decision IMO when they didn't re-sign Amare

You don't dump good salary when you try to rebuild, you dump the bad ones.

Warrick/Childress are the issues, not Dudley.

JD is an issue because his contract is long term and he is not a key piece. They need to be acquiring picks and shorter term contracts....

Warrick and Childress are harder to move which is why I think we are hearing JDs name popping up.

It's not an issue if its a reasonable contract from a money standpoint and the player is productive and living up to his contract.  I don't think people are pointing at Dudley and saying he's overpaid or its an awful contract because of the money (which it isnt) or the years.

There is no harm in carrying a guy on your roster who fits that mold (like Dudley) if the contract is longterm.

all things being equal, sure...but this a PHO team that has a bunch of these long term contracts. many of them are unmovable at this point.

JD is one of the movable ones...

[Lucky17]

Dudley may have a long contract, but it's a cost-effective one. He earns his money. Phoenix won't trade him.

[Fafnir]

Phoenix needs to figure out what the heck their plan is. They have a very strange assortment of long term contracts.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

honestly, I think they just need to start cleaning house and if that's the case, nate + a 1st rounder is not a bad deal for jared.

Dudley is one of the guys with a good contract. They're trying to dump Childress right now.

yeah but he's a bit part for that team and his contract is long term...I think they need to just start over. They made that decision IMO when they didn't re-sign Amare

You don't dump good salary when you try to rebuild, you dump the bad ones.

Warrick/Childress are the issues, not Dudley.

JD is an issue because his contract is long term and he is not a key piece. They need to be acquiring picks and shorter term contracts....

Warrick and Childress are harder to move which is why I think we are hearing JDs name popping up.

It's not an issue if its a reasonable contract from a money standpoint and the player is productive and living up to his contract.  I don't think people are pointing at Dudley and saying he's overpaid or its an awful contract because of the money (which it isnt) or the years.

There is no harm in carrying a guy on your roster who fits that mold (like Dudley) if the contract is longterm.

all things being equal, sure...but this a PHO team that has a bunch of these long term contracts. many of them are unmovable at this point.

JD is one of the movable ones...

Except they're not moving Nash, so why should they move a guy who's playing for them now? They're also not over the luxury tax, plus any pick they get for him is going to cost them as well.

So getting a guy like Nate Robinson won't really save them money, especially when you look at the production drop off!

[BballTim]

Phoenix needs to figure out what the heck their plan is. They have a very strange assortment of long term contracts.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

honestly, I think they just need to start cleaning house and if that's the case, nate + a 1st rounder is not a bad deal for jared.

Dudley is one of the guys with a good contract. They're trying to dump Childress right now.

yeah but he's a bit part for that team and his contract is long term...I think they need to just start over. They made that decision IMO when they didn't re-sign Amare

You don't dump good salary when you try to rebuild, you dump the bad ones.

Warrick/Childress are the issues, not Dudley.

  Some teams dump all salary, not just bad salary. Not that they should try and trade Dudley and keep Childress, but getting rid of Josh would probably be pretty costly.

remember when PHO traded Kurt Thomas and TWO first round picks to SEA for salary relief...

That was to get them under the luxury tax, the Suns aren't at that threshold. Thus the marginal cost of a guy like Dudley isn't something that they are going to just dump.

  The only issue would be whether they think that paying him $4M a year would hamper them from making other moves. Not saying it will, saying it might.

[winsomme]

Phoenix needs to figure out what the heck their plan is. They have a very strange assortment of long term contracts.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

honestly, I think they just need to start cleaning house and if that's the case, nate + a 1st rounder is not a bad deal for jared.

Dudley is one of the guys with a good contract. They're trying to dump Childress right now.

yeah but he's a bit part for that team and his contract is long term...I think they need to just start over. They made that decision IMO when they didn't re-sign Amare

You don't dump good salary when you try to rebuild, you dump the bad ones.

Warrick/Childress are the issues, not Dudley.

  Some teams dump all salary, not just bad salary. Not that they should try and trade Dudley and keep Childress, but getting rid of Josh would probably be pretty costly.

remember when PHO traded Kurt Thomas and TWO first round picks to SEA for salary relief...

That was to get them under the luxury tax, the Suns aren't at that threshold. Thus the marginal cost of a guy like Dudley isn't something that they are going to just dump.

true but they had to GIVE two first round picks to make that deal happen...

this is a team IMO that is looking to unload any long term contracts...they're not going to give JD away, but there is a reason his name is popping up...