In an alternate universe where Miami make the finals, does LBJ choke like always

[angryguy77]

I think he will choke.  He cares more about his brand than winning.   No other supposed greatest in the game of all time got swept in the finals.  The moment things get rough in the playoff the old demons will come back to him.

Swept in the finals counts as choking to me, folks.   Besides last year he didn't choke he quit which is worse.   He is a great player but he doesn't have the heart of a champion and his 6-24 from the field games will surface again.

NBA can market him all they want, I am not drinking the Kool-aid.  Saw him growing up and his shot has improved since he was a sophmore in HS.

  Magic, Kareem, Shaq, Elvin Hayes, Earl Monroe and Wes Unseld were swept in the finals. In fact Magic, Kareem and Unseld were swept *twice* in the Finals.

Yes but those guys could walk on water and heal the blind.

[nba is the worst]

Maybe not - but he might quit in a couple of games like he did last year

[BballTim]

I think he will choke.  He cares more about his brand than winning.   No other supposed greatest in the game of all time got swept in the finals.  The moment things get rough in the playoff the old demons will come back to him.

Swept in the finals counts as choking to me, folks.   Besides last year he didn't choke he quit which is worse.   He is a great player but he doesn't have the heart of a champion and his 6-24 from the field games will surface again.

NBA can market him all they want, I am not drinking the Kool-aid.  Saw him growing up and his shot has improved since he was a sophmore in HS.

  Magic, Kareem, Shaq, Elvin Hayes, Earl Monroe and Wes Unseld were swept in the finals. In fact Magic, Kareem and Unseld were swept *twice* in the Finals.

Yes but those guys could walk on water and heal the blind.

  Walking on water or healing the blind isn't enough to give a player like Magic, swept multiple times in the Finals, the heart of a champion. Get serious.

[BballTim]

Maybe not - but he might quit in a couple of games like he did last year

  Yes, but those preseason games that he quit in don't count in the standings anyways.

[nba is the worst]

Maybe not - but he might quit in a couple of games like he did last year

  Yes, but those preseason games that he quit in don't count in the standings anyways.

I was talking about games 4 and 5 vs the celtics IN THE 2ND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS - you know, where he just stood around watching his teammates go 4 on 5, eventually leading his team to an 0-3 record after starting the series 2-1 (while being the B2B MVP on the B2B #1 seeded title favorite)...

[BballTim]

Maybe not - but he might quit in a couple of games like he did last year

  Yes, but those preseason games that he quit in don't count in the standings anyways.

I was talking about games 4 and 5 vs the celtics IN THE 2ND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS - you know, where he just stood around watching his teammates go 4 on 5, eventually leading his team to an 0-3 record after starting the series 2-1 (while being the B2B MVP on the B2B #1 seeded title favorite)...

  Pretty amazing trick, averaging 21/13/9 while standing around watching his teammates go 4 on 5.

  BTW, high seedings and MVPs, contrary to beliefs, do *not* guarantee championships, especially when facing a better team.

[nba is the worst]

Maybe not - but he might quit in a couple of games like he did last year

  Yes, but those preseason games that he quit in don't count in the standings anyways.

I was talking about games 4 and 5 vs the celtics IN THE 2ND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS - you know, where he just stood around watching his teammates go 4 on 5, eventually leading his team to an 0-3 record after starting the series 2-1 (while being the B2B MVP on the B2B #1 seeded title favorite)...

  Pretty amazing trick, averaging 21/13/9 while standing around watching his teammates go 4 on 5.

  BTW, high seedings and MVPs, contrary to beliefs, do *not* guarantee championships, especially when facing a better team.

Well, the FACT is that in games 4 and 5, he avgd 18.5 ppg on 30.3 % shooting, 8 rebs, and 7 ast with 5 TOs...

 

[BballTim]

Maybe not - but he might quit in a couple of games like he did last year

  Yes, but those preseason games that he quit in don't count in the standings anyways.

I was talking about games 4 and 5 vs the celtics IN THE 2ND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS - you know, where he just stood around watching his teammates go 4 on 5, eventually leading his team to an 0-3 record after starting the series 2-1 (while being the B2B MVP on the B2B #1 seeded title favorite)...

  Pretty amazing trick, averaging 21/13/9 while standing around watching his teammates go 4 on 5.

  BTW, high seedings and MVPs, contrary to beliefs, do *not* guarantee championships, especially when facing a better team.

Well, the FACT is that in games 4 and 5, he avgd 18.5 ppg on 30.3 % shooting, 8 rebs, and 7 ast with 5 TOs...

 

  Sorry, I was looking at games 5 and 6. I keep forgetting that he played very hard, then he quit, then he started trying again. Still, you have to admit, 19/8/7 while you're standing around watching your teammates play is pretty good.

[nba is the worst]

Maybe not - but he might quit in a couple of games like he did last year

  Yes, but those preseason games that he quit in don't count in the standings anyways.

I was talking about games 4 and 5 vs the celtics IN THE 2ND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS - you know, where he just stood around watching his teammates go 4 on 5, eventually leading his team to an 0-3 record after starting the series 2-1 (while being the B2B MVP on the B2B #1 seeded title favorite)...

  Pretty amazing trick, averaging 21/13/9 while standing around watching his teammates go 4 on 5.

  BTW, high seedings and MVPs, contrary to beliefs, do *not* guarantee championships, especially when facing a better team.

Well, the FACT is that in games 4 and 5, he avgd 18.5 ppg on 30.3 % shooting, 8 rebs, and 7 ast with 5 TOs...

 

  Sorry, I was looking at games 5 and 6. I keep forgetting that he played very hard, then he quit, then he started trying again. Still, you have to admit, 19/8/7 while you're standing around watching your teammates play is pretty good.

The words that come to my mind are pathetic, and unforgivable...

[BballTim]

Maybe not - but he might quit in a couple of games like he did last year

  Yes, but those preseason games that he quit in don't count in the standings anyways.

I was talking about games 4 and 5 vs the celtics IN THE 2ND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS - you know, where he just stood around watching his teammates go 4 on 5, eventually leading his team to an 0-3 record after starting the series 2-1 (while being the B2B MVP on the B2B #1 seeded title favorite)...

  Pretty amazing trick, averaging 21/13/9 while standing around watching his teammates go 4 on 5.

  BTW, high seedings and MVPs, contrary to beliefs, do *not* guarantee championships, especially when facing a better team.

Well, the FACT is that in games 4 and 5, he avgd 18.5 ppg on 30.3 % shooting, 8 rebs, and 7 ast with 5 TOs...

 

  Sorry, I was looking at games 5 and 6. I keep forgetting that he played very hard, then he quit, then he started trying again. Still, you have to admit, 19/8/7 while you're standing around watching your teammates play is pretty good.

The words that come to my mind are pathetic, and unforgivable...

  Yeah, that's what a team like the Celts can do to someone in the playoffs..

[nba is the worst]

Maybe not - but he might quit in a couple of games like he did last year

  Yes, but those preseason games that he quit in don't count in the standings anyways.

I was talking about games 4 and 5 vs the celtics IN THE 2ND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS - you know, where he just stood around watching his teammates go 4 on 5, eventually leading his team to an 0-3 record after starting the series 2-1 (while being the B2B MVP on the B2B #1 seeded title favorite)...

  Pretty amazing trick, averaging 21/13/9 while standing around watching his teammates go 4 on 5.

  BTW, high seedings and MVPs, contrary to beliefs, do *not* guarantee championships, especially when facing a better team.

Well, the FACT is that in games 4 and 5, he avgd 18.5 ppg on 30.3 % shooting, 8 rebs, and 7 ast with 5 TOs...

 

  Sorry, I was looking at games 5 and 6. I keep forgetting that he played very hard, then he quit, then he started trying again. Still, you have to admit, 19/8/7 while you're standing around watching your teammates play is pretty good.

The words that come to my mind are pathetic, and unforgivable...

  Yeah, that's what a team like the Celts can do to someone in the playoffs..

Funny - it didn't look that way at all in games 1-3

[Fafnir]

Funny - it didn't look that way at all in games 1-3

The won a competitive game 1, lost a competitive game 2, and then he hit every jump shot he took (which isn't normal he's a streaky shooter) in game 3.

I don't see where you get this quiting thing from the series. Combined with your MVP rants I just think you hate the guy, and the rest of your arguments come from that.

[BballTim]

Maybe not - but he might quit in a couple of games like he did last year

  Yes, but those preseason games that he quit in don't count in the standings anyways.

I was talking about games 4 and 5 vs the celtics IN THE 2ND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS - you know, where he just stood around watching his teammates go 4 on 5, eventually leading his team to an 0-3 record after starting the series 2-1 (while being the B2B MVP on the B2B #1 seeded title favorite)...

  Pretty amazing trick, averaging 21/13/9 while standing around watching his teammates go 4 on 5.

  BTW, high seedings and MVPs, contrary to beliefs, do *not* guarantee championships, especially when facing a better team.

Well, the FACT is that in games 4 and 5, he avgd 18.5 ppg on 30.3 % shooting, 8 rebs, and 7 ast with 5 TOs...

 

  Sorry, I was looking at games 5 and 6. I keep forgetting that he played very hard, then he quit, then he started trying again. Still, you have to admit, 19/8/7 while you're standing around watching your teammates play is pretty good.

The words that come to my mind are pathetic, and unforgivable...

  Yeah, that's what a team like the Celts can do to someone in the playoffs..

Funny - it didn't look that way at all in games 1-3

  LeBron played better in games 1 and 3 than game 2. Obviously you can't shut him down every game, and obviously he can't score 40 points whenever he wants. In fact his statline in game 2 is almost identical to his statline in one of his "quit games. So, for those keeping score, I guess we're going with try/quit/try/quit/quit/try.

  In the last 3 years of playoffs LeBron has scored 25+ points 22 of 25 times against teams other than the Celts and 6 times in 13 games vs the Celts. Clearly the team's more capable of containing LeBron than you think. It wasn't just a two game aberration by a guy that routinely destroys the Celts.

[nba is the worst]

Funny - it didn't look that way at all in games 1-3

The won a competitive game 1, lost a competitive game 2, and then he hit every jump shot he took (which isn't normal he's a streaky shooter) in game 3.

I don't see where you get this quiting thing from the series. Combined with your MVP rants I just think you hate the guy, and the rest of your arguments come from that.

I've watched every game the guy has played vs the Celtics.

The difference in his effort in all games besides games 4-6 is striking, and quite obvious.

I haven't found a Celtics fan who can explain his reduction in effort realistically as somehow relating to what the Celtics did.

And I'm not sure I understand why you said I posted "MVP rants"...

[nba is the worst]

Maybe not - but he might quit in a couple of games like he did last year

  Yes, but those preseason games that he quit in don't count in the standings anyways.

I was talking about games 4 and 5 vs the celtics IN THE 2ND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS - you know, where he just stood around watching his teammates go 4 on 5, eventually leading his team to an 0-3 record after starting the series 2-1 (while being the B2B MVP on the B2B #1 seeded title favorite)...

  Pretty amazing trick, averaging 21/13/9 while standing around watching his teammates go 4 on 5.

  BTW, high seedings and MVPs, contrary to beliefs, do *not* guarantee championships, especially when facing a better team.

Well, the FACT is that in games 4 and 5, he avgd 18.5 ppg on 30.3 % shooting, 8 rebs, and 7 ast with 5 TOs...

 

  Sorry, I was looking at games 5 and 6. I keep forgetting that he played very hard, then he quit, then he started trying again. Still, you have to admit, 19/8/7 while you're standing around watching your teammates play is pretty good.

The words that come to my mind are pathetic, and unforgivable...

  Yeah, that's what a team like the Celts can do to someone in the playoffs..

Funny - it didn't look that way at all in games 1-3

  LeBron played better in games 1 and 3 than game 2. Obviously you can't shut him down every game, and obviously he can't score 40 points whenever he wants. In fact his statline in game 2 is almost identical to his statline in one of his "quit games. So, for those keeping score, I guess we're going with try/quit/try/quit/quit/try.

  In the last 3 years of playoffs LeBron has scored 25+ points 22 of 25 times against teams other than the Celts and 6 times in 13 games vs the Celts. Clearly the team's more capable of containing LeBron than you think. It wasn't just a two game aberration by a guy that routinely destroys the Celts.

To me, it's not the stats - it's the effort or lack thereof.

I don't understand why this is so hard for some celtics fans/LeBron fans to grasp...