Time to trade Brady?

[angryguy77]

I saw a qb that looked like he was afraid to get hit and caused a lot of bad passes. This imo is the biggest knock on Tom(and manning) any hint of pressure and they fold like lawn chairs. If the pats don't maintain an above average  oline, Brady won't continue to be as effective.

What's wrong with seeing what you could get for him? DA did this with Rondo. I don't think the op is saying to do a definite trade, but play around with it.
 But he did bring up a good point about Matt C. Maybe you could plug a qb in to that system and have success.

[Rondo2287]

I saw a qb that looked like he was afraid to get hit and caused a lot of bad passes. This imo is the biggest knock on Tom(and manning) any hint of pressure and they fold like lawn chairs. If the pats don't maintain an above average  oline, Brady won't continue to be as effective.

What's wrong with seeing what you could get for him? DA did this with Rondo. I don't think the op is saying to do a definite trade, but play around with it.
 But he did bring up a good point about Matt C. Maybe you could plug a qb in to that system and have success.

The only issue is that in the NFL the return value for a player like Brady is never there.  Also DA shopped Rondo before Signing him to an extension.

As Roy theorized earlier some acceptable trades would be something like Schaub and Mario Williams for Brady, but the texans would never do that.  If we were to trade brady we would be getting back draft picks which would set this franchise back significantly. 

[KCattheStripe]

Best season of his career? I totally disagree.

And if Sanchez does win the Super Bowl then I'd have to say Sanchez passes Brady as the better quarterback. 

That's just plain silly.  That would also rank Snachez of Brees, Manning and any other QB who doesn't win the Super Bowl.  Only one team wins every year. 

Right. The QB that went on the road and outplayed every other QB on their turf and then won the Super Bowl would have to be considered the best QB in football. Exactly. Kinda like when Brady did it and Montana did it people started to consider them the best QBs in football.

Trent Dilfer had a year of being the best qb on the planet then. Trent. Dilfer.

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I saw a qb that looked like he was afraid to get hit and caused a lot of bad passes. This imo is the biggest knock on Tom(and manning) any hint of pressure and they fold like lawn chairs. If the pats don't maintain an above average  oline, Brady won't continue to be as effective.

What's wrong with seeing what you could get for him? DA did this with Rondo. I don't think the op is saying to do a definite trade, but play around with it.
 But he did bring up a good point about Matt C. Maybe you could plug a qb in to that system and have success.

The difference is that you dont trade Brady, who just signed an extension and is coming off an MVP season, because he had one bad post-game. If that was the case, then you would see Manning in an Oakland uniform for the past 6 years.

Brady is arguably the best QB to ever live. You dont trade that talent away. To suggest doing so because he's "distracted by his wife, down in Brazilian beaches, and wearing a Yankees cap" is just plain ridiculous.

Facts are facts. Stats are stats. There's no denying his ability to perform, and if the OP watched football they'd know this. And if they dont watch football, which is fine, starting this thread is fine, as long as you can back it up with facts and stats, which he doesn't.

[Rondo2287]

Also.  The reason this is so dissapointing is because we had high hopes for this team after going 14-2.  The only reason we went 14-2 is because Brady played out of his mind and had the best season of his career in my opinion.  

The vegas over under for this team pre-season was 9.5 wins.  This was supposed to be a rebuilding year.  But Brady raised them to the 1st seed in the AFC.  Yes they lost but if it werent for Brady we probably wouldnt have been playing in this game in the first place.

[Bahku]

I find it amazing that people can judge the Patriots, via yesterday's performance, as if they're suddenly this horrible team and they just didn't see it until this game. Have they forgotten the rest of the season ... the blowouts of some of the league's best teams, and absolutely phenomenal performances and records set by Brady?!?

They had a bad game, the first one in a long time ... it happens, it just happened this time during a playoff game. If you're going to assess a team's performance and do it with objectivity, do it by assessing the entire season, and not wipe all the other great performances away with a single game.

I honestly expected some reactionary threads today, (and negative ones, obviously), but trade what many in the NFL and sports in general have called the greatest QB of all time?!? Cast a "nay" vote for me.

[clover]

I saw a qb that looked like he was afraid to get hit and caused a lot of bad passes. This imo is the biggest knock on Tom(and manning) any hint of pressure and they fold like lawn chairs. If the pats don't maintain an above average  oline, Brady won't continue to be as effective.

What's wrong with seeing what you could get for him? DA did this with Rondo. I don't think the op is saying to do a definite trade, but play around with it.
 But he did bring up a good point about Matt C. Maybe you could plug a qb in to that system and have success.

The Pats have a pile of high draft picks this year to add some beef and protection for Brady--and some beef on the defense too.  Too many of the Jets were just looking bigger and stronger than the Pats yesterday.

[PosImpos]

We have to remind ourselves that this team, on paper, never should have been 14-2 and probably wasn't actually as good as that record suggested.  Going into this year, nobody should have expected a Super Bowl run.  It was remarkable that they earned a first round bye, let alone the best overall record in the NFL.

Unfortunately, as the Cavs can attest, having the best overall regular season record doesn't mean much beyond getting to play your games at home.  

The Patriots are a very young team with a questionable defense that was overly reliant on forcing turnovers all season long.  They had a great offense that was rebuilt on the fly, but that's not good enough in the playoffs when other teams play with extra fire and determination on defense.

Unfortunately, right now the Pats are the anti-Celtics.  They will turn it up during the regular season via an MVP-caliber quarterback and a top-notch offense, but they don't have the experience or mental preparation to handle the extra physicality and importance of the post-season.  

Compare that to the Celtics, who get mired in the regular season but have the experience to stay focused in the spotlight and the true grit to play with an edge on both ends of the court in the playoffs.

Maybe by next season or the season after that, the Patriots will have bolstered their offensive line and added an actual pass rush, and they will have gotten enough experience and developed enough hunger to succeed in the post-season.  We will see.  It also takes a lot of luck...by the time the Pats have the experience and the personnel, they might have to deal with a lot of unlucky injuries (see: 2008 Patriots).



I'm expecting a 10-11 win season next year, a playoff win in the wild-card round, and then a loss in the divisional round.  If the Patriots reach or exceed that, I'll be happy.  I'll try to manage my expectations better next season so I don't get so disappointed when these young, inexperienced, and honestly rather soft Patriots drop another big game.

[Tai]

lol this is absolutely hilarious

So after an MVP season all of a sudden Bradys wife is a distraction, and the jets are in his head?

Uhmm... im not gonna respond further, truly sad

The old Brady would be watching video next week. The Brady we have now will be in Brazil watching a musical, filming a commercial and wearing a Yankees hat.

That's not my fault.  Now. Who has been paying attention?  I think maybe I have been.

He's going to Brazil? You have a link to this, are you his manager?  Or are you just painting picture to justify your point on trading him?

If it's the latter, then honestly, I don't know what to say to you. It was a bad game for Brady, we know that. But to claim Tom Brady suddenly doesn't give the Pats the best chance to win and some other players out there MIGHT?

That's why Tom Brady was given that extension. Does it suck if that doesn't automatically turn into Super Bowl?s Of course. But by suggesting he should be traded, you're putting down the claim some other player(s) will give the Pats THAT MUCH of a better chance of winning a Super Bowl than they already had, and that we won't have to give up too much to get him (or them). So, who is that (are they)? I mean, we could say Rodgers NOW, since in my mind he's the QB who did the best this weekend, but he hasn't even made the Super Bowl yet, let alone win it, and even then, I don't even know if the Patriots' entire draft board for this year would net them Rodgers.

[Redz]

Another bit of breaking news Antowain Smith was a better running back than Barry Sanders on account of him winning a Super Bowl, and Sanders not.

Well did they line up on the field against each other and Smith had the bye and then went out and ran for way more yards than Sanders in Detroit?  Because that's what just happened.

You can be like "Oh eja. How on Earth could you possibly ever come to such a radical conclusion"

Or you can look at the evidence you just saw.

Obviously Sanchez outplayed Brady yesterday, and the Jets outplayed the Pats.  Sanchez and the Jets deserved to win and Brady and the Pats are left licking their wounds.  But it's such a ridiculously short sighted view to claim Sanchez is the better QB, and the Pats should trade Brady.

You're picking at fresh material here and getting a reaction.  Talk to me in a month.

Until the Jets win it all, I'm going to work on the assumption that they will find a way to screw it up, and Sanchez will be a part of their demise.

Then again the Patriots were once the "can do no right" franchise, so who knows.  Yesterday was a big win for the Jets franchise, but they've had big wins before.  Can they finish what they started?

Lord help me, but GO STEELERS!

[Rondo2287]

Maybe we can trade Brady for Favre and Minny's 2nd round pick.

[BballTim]

Best season of his career? I totally disagree.

And if Sanchez does win the Super Bowl then I'd have to say Sanchez passes Brady as the better quarterback. 

That's just plain silly.  That would also rank Snachez of Brees, Manning and any other QB who doesn't win the Super Bowl.  Only one team wins every year. 

Right. The QB that went on the road and outplayed every other QB on their turf and then won the Super Bowl would have to be considered the best QB in football. Exactly. Kinda like when Brady did it and Montana did it people started to consider them the best QBs in football.

  Without reading all the posts, your logic seems to assume that Sanchez and Brady play all of the positions on offense, defense and special teams. Otherwise, no, you can't just say that the team that wins the super bowl has the best qb.

[mahonedog88]

Best season of his career? I totally disagree.

And if Sanchez does win the Super Bowl then I'd have to say Sanchez passes Brady as the better quarterback. 

That's just plain silly.  That would also rank Snachez of Brees, Manning and any other QB who doesn't win the Super Bowl.  Only one team wins every year. 

Right. The QB that went on the road and outplayed every other QB on their turf and then won the Super Bowl would have to be considered the best QB in football. Exactly. Kinda like when Brady did it and Montana did it people started to consider them the best QBs in football.

  Without reading all the posts, your logic seems to assume that Sanchez and Brady play all of the positions on offense, defense and special teams. Otherwise, no, you can't just say that the team that wins the super bowl has the best qb.

Exactly...the Ravens won in 2000 with Trent Dilfer at quarterback...nuff said.  There's no way you can say Sanchez automatically becomes the best QB in the league just because you win the super bowl.  It's called a TEAM effort.

[winsomme]

Think about it.

The man is like 33 with a major injury behind him and he's clearly distracted by a supermodel wife and celebrity. And the Jets are in his head.

How many times do I have to watch him get outplayed by Mark Sanchez, because I don't think I can handle it in the playoffs again.

You got to start to be curious how much we can get for him.

I think if Belichek really believes that anyone is replaceable and considering this team won 11 games with Matt Cassell in his first year as a starer then you have to at least start thinking about this.

I'm not saying actually do it. Just try to figure out the market and test it out. Make it highly known you are highly distressed by this non-performance.

Also in an unrelated development almost every time I type "Sanchez" the computer wants me to type Snachez

I'd trade Belichick before I'd trade Brady.

anybody else tired of Belichick's act? I think how he handles the public face of the team is so depressing.

I mean, on some level, this whole thing is supposed to be fun and energizing and engaging. and for me, Belichick is a walking rain cloud. even when they win, it still feels kinda sad...

anyway, I know he's here until he decides to go elsewhere, so it's a moot point. but there are other good coaches out there and Brady will good for another 4-5 years...

[wdleehi]

As a Giants fan, I would be happy enough to offer Manning, Tuck and 1st.



The Pats would be crazy to trade the best QB in the NFL.  If he can do what he did with the OK skill position players around him (not counting Welker), I would love to see what he could do with the higher skill level players the Giants have.