Time to trade Brady?

[Fafnir]

I know that you enjoy defending indefensible positions, but here are Sanchez's stats from this past year:

205.7 yards / game (25th), 54.8% completion percentage (29th), 17 TDs (T-19th), 13 INTs (T-13th), 75.7 QB Rating (27th)

Those are pretty pedestrian numbers.  Sanchez played a good game yesterday, but I wouldn't confuse his team success with individual greatness.

Not to mention that Sanchez played a very poor game against the Colts, he hit two big passes on the last drive but other than that he was extremely inaccurate. They Jets got their lead over the Colts based on a solid running attack.

[Eja117]

Another bit of breaking news Antowain Smith was a better running back than Barry Sanders on account of him winning a Super Bowl, and Sanders not.

Well did they line up on the field against each other and Smith had the bye and then went out and ran for way more yards than Sanders in Detroit?  Because that's what just happened.

You can be like "Oh eja. How on Earth could you possibly ever come to such a radical conclusion"

Or you can look at the evidence you just saw.

[Eja117]

Best season of his career? I totally disagree.

And if Sanchez does win the Super Bowl then I'd have to say Sanchez passes Brady as the better quarterback.  

That's just plain silly.  That would also rank Snachez of Brees, Manning and any other QB who doesn't win the Super Bowl.  Only one team wins every year.  

Right. The QB that went on the road and outplayed every other QB on their turf and then won the Super Bowl would have to be considered the best QB in football. Exactly. Kinda like when Brady did it and Montana did it people started to consider them the best QBs in football.

Yea and that has nothing to do with the Jets having a great defense and the teams they play having young inexperienced defenses right?

The Patriots are soooooo young on defense , it's called growing pains.

I didn't see the growing pains when they were crushing the Jets 43-3.  I would have thought with a bye week playing at home they might have been able to do half as well, but instead their QB got horridly outplayed.

Trying to pin this on the defense is a bad idea. The defense didn't throw the ball to receivers that hadn't turned around yet. The defense didn't show less scramble ability than Drew Bledsoe. The defense didn't throw an interception. The defense didn't drop passes. That was mostly Brady and the offense.

I already said that Brady didn't play great or even good and that the recievers dropped a lot of passes , but to ignore the fact that the Jets have a dominate defense full of VERTERAN players who have been through the playoffs many times is silly .

For the Pats defense this was their 1st or 2nd playoff game for most of them. They can't get to the quarterback at all, and don't have a great secondary .

The reason they were playing good in the regular season was because they were always so far ahead in the games. That makes the other teams have to Pass the ball which leads to turnovers. The Jets didn't allow the Pats to get ahead yesterday. Yes some of that is on Brady and the offense, but give the Jets D some credit, they are very good defense .

I would definitely give the Jets some credit. Players were pretty well covered. They did great at getting to the QB. Not many penalties.  But there are some cases, actually quite a few, where the Pats offense just dropped the ball.

[Fafnir]

Or you can look at the evidence you just saw.

The problem with that argument is it assumes they are playing against equalivalent competition. Brady doesn't pass against the Pats defense, just as Sanchez doesn't have to deal with the Jets defense.

[Eja117]

I know that you enjoy defending indefensible positions, but here are Sanchez's stats from this past year:

205.7 yards / game (25th), 54.8% completion percentage (29th), 17 TDs (T-19th), 13 INTs (T-13th), 75.7 QB Rating (27th)

Those are pretty pedestrian numbers.  Sanchez played a good game yesterday, but I wouldn't confuse his team success with individual greatness.

No but he came prepared and wasn't rattled, which wasn't the case with Brady.  He's getting better and Brady is getting worse. 

And he doesn't have a better running game than Brady either, although he did last night. Plus he was on the road with a week less to prepare.

Essentially I don't believe that bad quarterbacks go on the road and beat very good ones with all the cards stacked against him

He might not become great, but he's showing a lot of the signs right now that Brady showed when he was a rook

[Eja117]

Wow, talk about someone who gives way too much credit to the QB when a team wins (and too much blame for a loss).

I guess you missed the replays that showed Jets in the jersey of all the Pat's receiver? All but 1 sack by the Jets were coverage sacks. Brady didn't play badly; he had NO open receivers the entire game. And then there were several drops when he did manage to connect.

Why do you think Belichek went run heavy in the 4th quarter even though they were running out of time? He had no choice because (again) the receivers couldn't get open vs Reavis, Cromartie, and the rest.

Furthermore, Sanchez didn't play that well. His defense gave him lots of opportunities and they ran the ball fairly well. He only threw for 194 yards on 16 completions. The Jets had just 1 long scoring drive it was due to 1 big play. The other 3 TD drives were 49, 37 and 5 yards.

Football is way more than just 1 player throwing passes.

And, BTW, I'm not a Pat fan or a Brady fan but I calls 'em likes I sees 'em.

I see what you're saying.  However the old Brady would take off and get juuuusssttt enough for a first down.  He doesn't do that anymore.

[Roy H.]

Or you can look at the evidence you just saw.

The problem with that argument is it assumes they are playing against equalivalent competition. Brady doesn't pass against the Pats defense, just as Sanchez doesn't have to deal with the Jets defense.

Yeah, exactly.  I hate defending Brady, but he was repeatedly being sacked and hit, the Jets were shutting down his run game, and his receivers were blanketed.  I'm actually a bit surprised he threw for as many yards as he did, because the Jets overall played extremely well.

There's no doubt that Brady at times looked out of sync, and that he made some poor decisions.  However, I think of those as forced errors, brought on by facing a great defense.

[boom]

This is a troll thread, right? Just to rile up all the Patriots fans?

What you're basically saying is that because Sanchez is farther into the post-season than Brady, Manning, Brees, Flacco, Matty-Ice, and Vick.............he's a better quarterback.

Let's throw out the previous 16 game regular season where all of the above arguably out-shined Mark (including Brady's MVP talk, as well as Vick's). Let's throw out that this is a TEAM game, and that the QB can't throw the ball to himself, or clone himself into blockers.

This is ridiculous. Did you watch the season? Did you watch the post-season?

Like I said, please tell me this is a troll thread. It worked great.

[Eja117]

Or you can look at the evidence you just saw.

The problem with that argument is it assumes they are playing against equalivalent competition. Brady doesn't pass against the Pats defense, just as Sanchez doesn't have to deal with the Jets defense.

Exactly. Brady didn't pass against the defense at home with more time to prepare. I agree.

I'm not sure why people are acting like Brady was the quarterback last night facing a tougher situation.

Everyone that watches the NFL at all for a week understood and said that clearly Sanchez had the way harder task going into the game last night.  He was going on the road against a master coach yadda yadda. Then he stepped up.

Now we get the revisionism.  I'm not sure why.

[scaryjerry]

lol this is absolutely hilarious

So after an MVP season all of a sudden Bradys wife is a distraction, and the jets are in his head?

Uhmm... im not gonna respond further, truly sad

[Eja117]

This is a troll thread, right? Just to rile up all the Patriots fans?

What you're basically saying is that because Sanchez is farther into the post-season than Brady, Manning, Brees, Flacco, Matty-Ice, and Vick.............he's a better quarterback.

Let's throw out the previous 16 game regular season where all of the above arguably out-shined Mark (including Brady's MVP talk, as well as Vick's). Let's throw out that this is a TEAM game, and that the QB can't throw the ball to himself, or clone himself into blockers.

This is ridiculous. Did you watch the season? Did you watch the post-season?

Like I said, please tell me this is a troll thread. It worked great.

I'll consider telling you that if you tell me you think Dan Marino was the greatest QB in NFL history.

[Fafnir]

Or you can look at the evidence you just saw.

The problem with that argument is it assumes they are playing against equalivalent competition. Brady doesn't pass against the Pats defense, just as Sanchez doesn't have to deal with the Jets defense.

Exactly. Brady didn't pass against the defense at home with more time to prepare. I agree.

I'm not sure why people are acting like Brady was the quarterback last night facing a tougher situation.

Everyone that watches the NFL at all for a week understood and said that clearly Sanchez had the way harder task going into the game last night.  He was going on the road against a master coach yadda yadda. Then he stepped up.

Now we get the revisionism.  I'm not sure why.

How is it revisionism to note that the Jets defense is a far superior unit to the Patriots defense? It has been the entire year, both in stats and hype.

I thought the Patriots were a much better team going into yesterday's game, I was wrong about that.

[Eja117]

lol this is absolutely hilarious

So after an MVP season all of a sudden Bradys wife is a distraction, and the jets are in his head?

Uhmm... im not gonna respond further, truly sad

The old Brady would be watching video next week. The Brady we have now will be in Brazil watching a musical, filming a commercial and wearing a Yankees hat.

That's not my fault.  Now. Who has been paying attention?  I think maybe I have been.

[Fafnir]

Please stop with the troll accusations, if a poster is trolling the moderators will deal with it. Throwing the troll label is just asking for a flame war.

[Eja117]

Or you can look at the evidence you just saw.

The problem with that argument is it assumes they are playing against equalivalent competition. Brady doesn't pass against the Pats defense, just as Sanchez doesn't have to deal with the Jets defense.

Exactly. Brady didn't pass against the defense at home with more time to prepare. I agree.

I'm not sure why people are acting like Brady was the quarterback last night facing a tougher situation.

Everyone that watches the NFL at all for a week understood and said that clearly Sanchez had the way harder task going into the game last night.  He was going on the road against a master coach yadda yadda. Then he stepped up.

Now we get the revisionism.  I'm not sure why.

How is it revisionism to note that the Jets defense is a far superior unit to the Patriots defense? It has been the entire year, both in stats and hype.

I thought the Patriots were a much better team going into yesterday's game, I was wrong about that.

Hmmmmm. I also thought they were a much better team. I was looking at the record. I guess I was also wrong. And wrong about the Jets.  We'll learn more next week.