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Re: A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)
« Reply #855 on: June 06, 2016, 08:38:35 AM »

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The books spent so much time on Arya's storyline there is a 0% chance she is killed by the waif. She has a part to play in the main story, they can't kill her before she serves her purpose in terms of moving the story to its conclusion.
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« Reply #856 on: June 06, 2016, 08:41:08 AM »

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As a DEVOUT book-purist, I would say this might be my favorite season since season 2, because I can't Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. about the show butchering the great writing GRRM has gifted the World.

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« Reply #857 on: June 06, 2016, 08:41:53 AM »

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Who saves Arya? Syrio Forell? The lead actress from that play?

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« Reply #858 on: June 06, 2016, 08:56:37 AM »

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Who saves Arya? Syrio Forell? The lead actress from that play?

That's also who I was thinking she'd stumble into.

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« Reply #859 on: June 06, 2016, 09:36:49 AM »

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I think she may take down the faceless men or become their leader and use it as a tool in the big game.   She definitely will use those skills she has learned but I am not sure what those are exactly in the show.  She has washed a lot of dead bodies, I suppose.  I will tell you that in real life, she would die a slow and painful death from that wound without medical treatment.

I can see this as Waif may have lost her way and Arya is meant to kill her. At the same time Arya is being tested. I wouldn't be surprised if Arya is healed by Jak while disguised and Waif is take down after.

Or Arya goes to the house of white and black to avoid the slow death you mentioned drinks the water and is healed instead of dying. Then she goes on a killing spree clearing the house and takes over.

Either way the faceless men are supposed to champion for the people. They are not a group for hire simply if you have the coin which the whole actress job implies. The group is supposed to bring death to end suffering either to the wicked spreading it or to the innocent suffering it as a mercy. Something big has to come from this part of the story.

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« Reply #860 on: June 06, 2016, 09:42:59 AM »

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I think she may take down the faceless men or become their leader and use it as a tool in the big game.   She definitely will use those skills she has learned but I am not sure what those are exactly in the show.  She has washed a lot of dead bodies, I suppose.  I will tell you that in real life, she would die a slow and painful death from that wound without medical treatment.

I can see this as Waif may have lost her way and Arya is meant to kill her. At the same time Arya is being tested. I wouldn't be surprised if Arya is healed by Jak while disguised and Waif is take down after.

Or Arya goes to the house of white and black to avoid the slow death you mentioned drinks the water and is healed instead of dying. Then she goes on a killing spree clearing the house and takes over.

Either way the faceless men are supposed to champion for the people. They are not a group for hire simply if you have the coin which the whole actress job implies. The group is supposed to bring death to end suffering either to the wicked spreading it or to the innocent suffering it as a mercy. Something big has to come from this part of the story.

Yea that kind of bothered me also. The books are very clear that it isn't really about the coin. It's about life for a life. Rich, poor, whatever. Good, evil, indifferent the many face good doesn't care, as long as a life is paid, a life is owed.
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« Reply #861 on: June 06, 2016, 10:06:12 AM »

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I think she may take down the faceless men or become their leader and use it as a tool in the big game.   She definitely will use those skills she has learned but I am not sure what those are exactly in the show.  She has washed a lot of dead bodies, I suppose.  I will tell you that in real life, she would die a slow and painful death from that wound without medical treatment.

I can see this as Waif may have lost her way and Arya is meant to kill her. At the same time Arya is being tested. I wouldn't be surprised if Arya is healed by Jak while disguised and Waif is take down after.

Or Arya goes to the house of white and black to avoid the slow death you mentioned drinks the water and is healed instead of dying. Then she goes on a killing spree clearing the house and takes over.

Either way the faceless men are supposed to champion for the people. They are not a group for hire simply if you have the coin which the whole actress job implies. The group is supposed to bring death to end suffering either to the wicked spreading it or to the innocent suffering it as a mercy. Something big has to come from this part of the story.

Yea that kind of bothered me also. The books are very clear that it isn't really about the coin. It's about life for a life. Rich, poor, whatever. Good, evil, indifferent the many face good doesn't care, as long as a life is paid, a life is owed.
Yes and we got the origin story of the order lightly told. Has to be for a reason to show the orders direction as not blindly killing as Waif seems to do. I believe in books the first faceless man was a slave and thus he was faceless and no one. The order killed the masters and founded the free cities yet that first faceless man first killed another slave as mercy to end suffering (the slave prayed for death). To further end suffering was the reason why the first faceless man then looked towards the masters after killing the slave. It's all about ending suffering through death. That was the orders way.

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« Reply #862 on: June 06, 2016, 12:36:40 PM »

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To be true to their roots Arya should bleed out and die. To many people are coming back or surviving what should have been sure death. Kind of getting to Hollywood I prefer the unpredictable.
people don't die on the show without a purpose.  If arya died, her entire storyline would be a waste of time as it does nothing to push the core story forward.   She will live. 

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« Reply #863 on: June 06, 2016, 01:10:38 PM »

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To be true to their roots Arya should bleed out and die. To many people are coming back or surviving what should have been sure death. Kind of getting to Hollywood I prefer the unpredictable.
people don't die on the show without a purpose.  If arya died, her entire storyline would be a waste of time as it does nothing to push the core story forward.   She will live.
In the trailer for the next episode she is jumping long distances in Mereen, apparently not only does she live but she seems fine.

If they pretend like she wasn't stabbed and don't address it I will be unhappy. My guess is that she is able to defeat the wait by warging (even though she hasn't done that on the show).
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« Reply #864 on: June 06, 2016, 01:24:40 PM »

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To be true to their roots Arya should bleed out and die. To many people are coming back or surviving what should have been sure death. Kind of getting to Hollywood I prefer the unpredictable.
people don't die on the show without a purpose.  If arya died, her entire storyline would be a waste of time as it does nothing to push the core story forward.   She will live.
In the trailer for the next episode she is jumping long distances in Mereen, apparently not only does she live but she seems fine.

If they pretend like she wasn't stabbed and don't address it I will be unhappy. My guess is that she is able to defeat the wait by warging (even though she hasn't done that on the show).
Speaking about abilities that haven't shown up much John's warging and Rickon's green sight also have abilities that could be useful. Say John runs into Nimera a super pack joining Johns army would help his chances. Rickon's plan being green sighted?

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« Reply #865 on: June 06, 2016, 04:31:40 PM »

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Will the show have Lady Stoneheart running the Brotherhood without Banners now?


I think i`ve read sometime ago (after the red wedding) quotes from Benioff and Weiss that they won`t use Lady Stoneheart.
I`d like to see them change their mind though.

Is Lady Stoneheart Catelyn reincarnated?

I remember her joining up with some underground resistance force tirades the end of the last book.
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« Reply #866 on: June 06, 2016, 11:14:36 PM »

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So, Daario tells Daenerys that she will need 1,000 ships to take her Dothraki horde across the Narrow sea.

Meanwhile, Theon and Yara steal 1,000 ships from Euron at the Iron Islands and are headed to strike a deal with Daenerys in Mereen.

Both groups used the phrase "a thousand ships" specifically, so it seems likely that they will be attempting to team up once (if) they reach Mereen. That seems like a very odd grouping, though - the Greyjoys and Daenerys.

I'm also really interested to see where the Hound's story takes him. The guy said "the gods have kept you alive for a reason," which is obviously a pretty big hint in this franchise that he's going to have a pretty major role the rest of the way. The Brotherhood without Banners doesn't seem like a big enough storyline for him to be involved in. I'm guessing it will involve Arya, Brienne, or the Mountain.
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« Reply #867 on: June 06, 2016, 11:53:31 PM »

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The Hound!

Will the show have Lady Stoneheart running the Brotherhood without Banners now?


I think i`ve read sometime ago (after the red wedding) quotes from Benioff and Weiss that they won`t use Lady Stoneheart.
I`d like to see them change their mind though.

Is Lady Stoneheart Catelyn reincarnated?

I remember her joining up with some underground resistance force tirades the end of the last book.

Yes, Lady stonehart is Lady Stark.
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« Reply #868 on: June 06, 2016, 11:55:49 PM »

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To be true to their roots Arya should bleed out and die. To many people are coming back or surviving what should have been sure death. Kind of getting to Hollywood I prefer the unpredictable.
people don't die on the show without a purpose.  If arya died, her entire storyline would be a waste of time as it does nothing to push the core story forward.   She will live.

What I am most curious about is why her guard was so far down. She seemed to be prepared for the possibility of attack in the last episode, right? It seemed strange to be out in broad daylight knowing what she knows about the faceless men. Im really curious to see what happens, have any theories?
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« Reply #869 on: June 07, 2016, 12:32:58 AM »

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To be true to their roots Arya should bleed out and die. To many people are coming back or surviving what should have been sure death. Kind of getting to Hollywood I prefer the unpredictable.
people don't die on the show without a purpose.  If arya died, her entire storyline would be a waste of time as it does nothing to push the core story forward.   She will live.

What I am most curious about is why her guard was so far down. She seemed to be prepared for the possibility of attack in the last episode, right? It seemed strange to be out in broad daylight knowing what she knows about the faceless men. Im really curious to see what happens, have any theories?
Thats what I'm saying... Her guard wouldn't be down.  So it was either really hacky directing or there's something more to that scene.  I've seen three whacky theories so far. 

1 -  "Arya" was actually Jacen with aryas face.  It was either a test of the Waif (he had told her to make it quick, but stabbing someone in the stomach to bleed out is slow and painful) or he was letting himself get killed, because he owed arya one final death.   That seems dumb.

2 -  Arya and the Waif are the same person and the entire thing is some fight club esque mind screw all part of arya's training to truly be "no one".   Also seems kinda dumb.

3 - Arya knows she's in danger and the whole thing was all part of a trap she is setting for the waif.  She specifically goes into town flaunting money in public to cause attention.  Then, she stands out in the open just waiting to be stabbed.  The theory goes, she knew how the waif would try to kill her so she strapped pigs blood pouches to her stomach (that's a stretch) and may have had assistance from the actress in staging it... Then, she leaves a trail of blood to lure the waif into an area where she can "Home Alone" her with various booby traps. 

Lol.  Should be interesting to see where it goes.