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Re: Official Discuss your CB Draft team
« Reply #1545 on: November 17, 2010, 09:43:11 AM »

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I'd be interested to see who you guys had ahead of Bogut right now. 12.8 pts, 10.6 boards and 2.3 blocks.

I think Fafnir is right though, Bogut isn't where he was yet. he'll get there though.
In no particular order:

Pau Gasol, Dwight Howard, Joakim Noah, Tim Duncan, Al Horford, maybe Nene (I haven't seen him play enough)

I need to watch the Pacers play, Hibbert is finally getting minutes there.

Hibbert looks to be continuing his upswing in his third season.  (like  I kept thinking and saying he would)   ;D



Team of the future, still looking good.


PG Wall - looking like another star PG in the making.
PF Jefferson - still putting up good numbers while learning a whole new system (offensively and defensively)
C Hibbert - becoming a double doubler. 

Re: Official Discuss your CB Draft team
« Reply #1546 on: November 17, 2010, 10:00:34 AM »

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I'd be interested to see who you guys had ahead of Bogut right now. 12.8 pts, 10.6 boards and 2.3 blocks.

I think Fafnir is right though, Bogut isn't where he was yet. he'll get there though.
In no particular order:

Pau Gasol, Dwight Howard, Joakim Noah, Tim Duncan, Al Horford, maybe Nene (I haven't seen him play enough)

I need to watch the Pacers play, Hibbert is finally getting minutes there.

Team of the future, still looking good.

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Re: Official Discuss your CB Draft team
« Reply #1547 on: November 17, 2010, 10:11:54 AM »

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Just read Andrew Bynum is due back healthy come Thanksgiving, the first of December at the latest.

Boxers

Andrew Bynum - back and healthy
Luis Scola - 22.6 PPG/10.2 RPG/24.6 PER
Wilson Chandler - 17.5 PPG/6.1 RPG/2.55 BPG/ 18.4 PER
Raymond Felton - 15.8 PPG/7.7 APG/4.0 RPG/17.8 PER
Manu Ginobili - 21.3 PPG/4.3 APG/23.1 PER
Udonis Haslem - 8.6 PPG/8.6 RPG/13.5 PER
Chase Budinger - 8.6 PPG/3.5 RPG/ 1.13 SPG
Leandro Barbosa - 10.4 PPG/ 13.7 PER
Jodie Meeks - 6.8 PPG/ 1.4 SPG/ 14.4 PER

Bayless, Greene, Magliore and Mahinmi are seeing little time or not producing.

But that's some pretty awesome stuff from the rotational players.

Looking pretty darn good i have to say
CB Draft LA Lakers: Lamarcus Aldridge, Carmelo Anthony,Jrue Holiday, Wes Matthews  6.11, 7.16, 8.14, 8.15, 9.16, 11.5, 11.16

Re: Official Discuss your CB Draft team
« Reply #1548 on: November 17, 2010, 10:15:41 AM »

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Felton's been bad but other than that your team is solid Nick.

Re: Official Discuss your CB Draft team
« Reply #1549 on: November 17, 2010, 10:33:01 AM »

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I'd be interested to see who you guys had ahead of Bogut right now. 12.8 pts, 10.6 boards and 2.3 blocks.

I think Fafnir is right though, Bogut isn't where he was yet. he'll get there though.
In no particular order:

Pau Gasol, Dwight Howard, Joakim Noah, Tim Duncan, Al Horford, maybe Nene (I haven't seen him play enough)

I need to watch the Pacers play, Hibbert is finally getting minutes there.

Hibbert looks to be continuing his upswing in his third season.  (like  I kept thinking and saying he would)   ;D



Team of the future, still looking good.


PG Wall - looking like another star PG in the making.
PF Jefferson - still putting up good numbers while learning a whole new system (offensively and defensively)
C Hibbert - becoming a double doubler. 

Ya Hibberts looking real good. Jefferson's up and down, but that's to be expected. You're much, much better of a team than I expected. Though I still don't know if I believe Hibbert and Al Jefferson could play well together.

Re: Official Discuss your CB Draft team
« Reply #1550 on: November 17, 2010, 11:02:41 AM »

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My team is:

Bogut/Mohammad
Landry/Juwan Howard/ Kris Humphries
Webster/Kapono/Ebanks
JR smith/ Rush/  Jordan Crawford
Rondo/ W Bynum
Indiana Pacers-Celticsblog Draft Team

Re: Official Discuss your CB Draft team
« Reply #1551 on: November 17, 2010, 11:12:09 AM »

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Felton's been bad but other than that your team is solid Nick.
Let's clarify that.

Felton's been a horror show defensively but pretty darn good offensively. But I always wonder with a D'Antoni team if the players are bad defensively or it's the system. Felton was a fairly average to above average defender in Charlotte.

Still goes to show how deficient PER can be as a stat. He has an extremely solid PER but defensively he has been just plain bad.

Re: Official Discuss your CB Draft team
« Reply #1552 on: November 17, 2010, 11:27:41 AM »

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My team is:

Bogut/Mohammad
Landry/Juwan Howard/ Kris Humphries
Webster/Kapono/Ebanks
JR smith/ Rush/  Jordan Crawford
Rondo/ W Bynum


There's one problem, your starting 3 has yet to play this season and y0ur starting 2 is having a sub par year so far.

Re: Official Discuss your CB Draft team
« Reply #1553 on: November 17, 2010, 12:15:12 PM »

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I'd be interested to see who you guys had ahead of Bogut right now. 12.8 pts, 10.6 boards and 2.3 blocks.

I think Fafnir is right though, Bogut isn't where he was yet. he'll get there though.
In no particular order:

Pau Gasol, Dwight Howard, Joakim Noah, Tim Duncan, Al Horford, maybe Nene (I haven't seen him play enough)

I need to watch the Pacers play, Hibbert is finally getting minutes there.

Hibbert looks to be continuing his upswing in his third season.  (like  I kept thinking and saying he would)   ;D



Team of the future, still looking good.


PG Wall - looking like another star PG in the making.
PF Jefferson - still putting up good numbers while learning a whole new system (offensively and defensively)
C Hibbert - becoming a double doubler. 

Ya Hibberts looking real good. Jefferson's up and down, but that's to be expected. You're much, much better of a team than I expected. Though I still don't know if I believe Hibbert and Al Jefferson could play well together.

Always a worry.


But I just like how both seem so open to coaching.  I think a good defensive coach with a good team scheme can get them together to be respectable.  (while developing some of the young bigs off the bench with more speed to be exceptional)

Re: Official Discuss your CB Draft team
« Reply #1554 on: November 17, 2010, 12:54:08 PM »

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Felton's been bad but other than that your team is solid Nick.
Let's clarify that.

Felton's been a horror show defensively but pretty darn good offensively. But I always wonder with a D'Antoni team if the players are bad defensively or it's the system. Felton was a fairly average to above average defender in Charlotte.

Still goes to show how deficient PER can be as a stat. He has an extremely solid PER but defensively he has been just plain bad.

Offensively he's the same player he's just taking more shots.

Now he's not a bad offensive player so you can argue thats a good thing, but when you're just throwing up the stats on your team they won't translate as not everyone can have the same number of shots/role.

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« Reply #1555 on: November 17, 2010, 01:21:27 PM »

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Felton's been bad but other than that your team is solid Nick.
Let's clarify that.

Felton's been a horror show defensively but pretty darn good offensively. But I always wonder with a D'Antoni team if the players are bad defensively or it's the system. Felton was a fairly average to above average defender in Charlotte.

Still goes to show how deficient PER can be as a stat. He has an extremely solid PER but defensively he has been just plain bad.

Offensively he's the same player he's just taking more shots.

Now he's not a bad offensive player so you can argue thats a good thing, but when you're just throwing up the stats on your team they won't translate as not everyone can have the same number of shots/role.
Actually Faf...this isn't true.

He's throwing up 12.6 FGA's per game right now, that's only the 4th highest FGA/game rate he has had in the 6 years he has been in the league. His career average is 12.1.

What he is doing is getting to the line more than he has over the last two years and hitting a higher percentage of FTs. He's also taking more three pointers because it appears last years 38.5% from three wasn't a fluke after all as he is hitting 38.3% this year through 11 games.

Let's also take into consideration that his assists per game and per minute are the highest they have ever been in his career. His assists per minute have risen by about 10% over his previous career high.

For a PG taken in the 5th round of the draft and probably one of the last starting PGs taken, 15.5 PPG/7.4 APG/38.3% 3PT FG%/1.5 SPG and a PER of 17.8 is pretty darn impressive if you ask me.

Re: Official Discuss your CB Draft team
« Reply #1556 on: November 17, 2010, 01:27:00 PM »

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I have watched a good deal of Knicks games, and just by using the eye ball test I've been unimpressed by Felton. His shooting seems to be improved, but he also seems to be taking worse shots.

Re: Official Discuss your CB Draft team
« Reply #1557 on: November 17, 2010, 01:32:08 PM »

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Felton's been bad but other than that your team is solid Nick.
Let's clarify that.

Felton's been a horror show defensively but pretty darn good offensively. But I always wonder with a D'Antoni team if the players are bad defensively or it's the system. Felton was a fairly average to above average defender in Charlotte.

Still goes to show how deficient PER can be as a stat. He has an extremely solid PER but defensively he has been just plain bad.

Offensively he's the same player he's just taking more shots.

Now he's not a bad offensive player so you can argue thats a good thing, but when you're just throwing up the stats on your team they won't translate as not everyone can have the same number of shots/role.
Actually Faf...this isn't true.

He's throwing up 12.6 FGA's per game right now, that's only the 4th highest FGA/game rate he has had in the 6 years he has been in the league. His career average is 12.1.

What he is doing is getting to the line more than he has over the last two years and hitting a higher percentage of FTs. He's also taking more three pointers because it appears last years 38.5% from three wasn't a fluke after all as he is hitting 38.3% this year through 11 games.

Let's also take into consideration that his assists per game and per minute are the highest they have ever been in his career. His assists per minute have risen by about 10% over his previous career high.

For a PG taken in the 5th round of the draft and probably one of the last starting PGs taken, 15.5 PPG/7.4 APG/38.3% 3PT FG%/1.5 SPG and a PER of 17.8 is pretty darn impressive if you ask me.
Nick, you don't think getting to the line constitutes "shots"? It still uses up a possession. Its great that he's getting to the line more, but basically he's taking more shots or looking for his own shot more often. (most of this is pace related because his usage is a 20, right around his career average of 21)

Same player taking advantage of more scoring chances in D'Antoni's system, we've seen this song and dance before. Its also not a good sign for a PG that his team's main failing is poor offense. (The Knicks have an above average defensive rating and a below average offensive rating)

He was good value where you got him, but don't confuse him for any different of a player than he was in Charlotte.

Re: Official Discuss your CB Draft team
« Reply #1558 on: November 17, 2010, 01:35:41 PM »

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I have watched a good deal of Knicks games, and just by using the eye ball test I've been unimpressed by Felton. His shooting seems to be improved, but he also seems to be taking worse shots.
Yeah, I haven't liked what I have seen from Felton either. I have no issues with his scoring but I haven't liked the way he's been running the offense. His inability to run a fluid offense and create high percentage shots for his teammates is one of the main reasons why NYK is struggling right now. 

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« Reply #1559 on: November 17, 2010, 02:43:51 PM »

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Felton's been bad but other than that your team is solid Nick.
Let's clarify that.

Felton's been a horror show defensively but pretty darn good offensively. But I always wonder with a D'Antoni team if the players are bad defensively or it's the system. Felton was a fairly average to above average defender in Charlotte.

Still goes to show how deficient PER can be as a stat. He has an extremely solid PER but defensively he has been just plain bad.

Offensively he's the same player he's just taking more shots.

Now he's not a bad offensive player so you can argue thats a good thing, but when you're just throwing up the stats on your team they won't translate as not everyone can have the same number of shots/role.
Actually Faf...this isn't true.

He's throwing up 12.6 FGA's per game right now, that's only the 4th highest FGA/game rate he has had in the 6 years he has been in the league. His career average is 12.1.

What he is doing is getting to the line more than he has over the last two years and hitting a higher percentage of FTs. He's also taking more three pointers because it appears last years 38.5% from three wasn't a fluke after all as he is hitting 38.3% this year through 11 games.

Let's also take into consideration that his assists per game and per minute are the highest they have ever been in his career. His assists per minute have risen by about 10% over his previous career high.

For a PG taken in the 5th round of the draft and probably one of the last starting PGs taken, 15.5 PPG/7.4 APG/38.3% 3PT FG%/1.5 SPG and a PER of 17.8 is pretty darn impressive if you ask me.
Nick, you don't think getting to the line constitutes "shots"? It still uses up a possession. Its great that he's getting to the line more, but basically he's taking more shots or looking for his own shot more often. (most of this is pace related because his usage is a 20, right around his career average of 21)

Same player taking advantage of more scoring chances in D'Antoni's system, we've seen this song and dance before. Its also not a good sign for a PG that his team's main failing is poor offense. (The Knicks have an above average defensive rating and a below average offensive rating)

He was good value where you got him, but don't confuse him for any different of a player than he was in Charlotte.
Again Faf, this is just patently not true.

His total shots per game in Charlotte over 5 years was about 15.5 attempts 12.5 and 3.0 or there abouts(FGA, FTA). In New York its 12.6 and 4.0. So he's taking 1 more FTA than he did in Charlotte, on average.

I mean, come on. He's scoring more because his TS% which has languished below 50% for his career is now at nearly 57%.

I will agree with Who that he hasn't been running the Knicks offense as well as it can be but he's not Steve Nash and is only 11 games into the system. Also, he's not a great playmaking PG. Average at best.

All I am saying is that overall I don't think his offense has been bad and I think you are mislabeling him saying his production is simply because he's throwing up more shots. The numbers simply do not bare that out Faf. I find it impossible for even an mathematician as good as you are to try to explain how a 2.1 increase in scoring average over his career numbers can be created by shooting one extra free throw per game over his career numbers.

His defense...not good

His overall running of that D'Antoni offense...not great, he doesn't have a handle on it yet.

But his overall game is more efficient than it has been. He's probably just a bad fit for that offense. My guess is most PGs that don't think pass first and foremost are.