Bill Simmons-Rondo for Paul trade idea

[KGindaHizzy]

still...
at the end of the day, the Celts would end up with at Top 5 PG. Hakuna Matata!!!!

[Army_of_One_Nation]

The only way the trade can happen is this way (without Okafor and adding Shrek):

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=275w45r

[CoachBo]

I think Danny will make overtones that he is considering trading Rondo, or that Rondo still has "growing" to do in his game.  Why?  Because this sort of thing fires up Rajon Rondo, and Danny knows that Rondo will come back a better player next year as a result.  Ultimately I'd be very surprised if Danny Ainge traded Rondo. 

  Rondo's come back a better player every season whether Danny's said anything about him or not.

and i have a strong feeling that is not going to change. By the end of the regular season rondo will have a jumpshot.

His shooting hasn't improved for three years now. I wish I had faith that he'd be able to make a sudden leap forward this offseason.

There was marginal improvement in his jumper, and his foul shooting regressed a bunch.

I agree, though: Rondo's shooting is a problem. A significant problem.

[Celtics Fan]

Let's also not forget that CP3 is more likely to attract a big time FA to sign in Boston than Rondo is. Rondo seems to have a quirky personality that is totally opposite from Paul. That could weigh in heavily in 2012.

100% agree!

Quirky? There guys that want to play RR9 right now D Howard, even Lebrick said he would love to play with him, what do you mean by quirky? Even Kobe said he would love to play with RR9.

[Celtics Fan]

When you say quirky I think of Dennis Rodman. Not RR9.

[Celtics Fan]

still...
at the end of the day, the Celts would end up with at Top 5 PG. Hakuna Matata!!!!

I rather have RR9.

[billysan]

The issue for me isnt just comparing the value at present of Rondo and Chris Paul. I have to consider that in a couple of years who do I want to build around with my 30 odd million in cap space? A nucleus of Rondo, Perk, Avery and Baby? Or a nucleus of Paul, Okafor, Avery and Baby?

Perk and Okafor are a wash overall although Perk is better defensively against most centers. Okafor is playing out of position and does much better vs PF. Perk has the shoulder injury issues that we need to watch out for. Okafor will be a more valuable trade piece when/if the time comes if that injury is fresh in everyones mind. The reality is that Perk may not recover enough to regain the starting center status he enjoys now.

You are essentially comparing a superstar PG in Paul with an All Star PG in Rondo. I love Rondo, but whoever gives him the max contract equal to the one Paul will eventually command is going to be labeled (correctly) a fool.

I would not start Okafor over JO this season unless JO really starts stinking the place up. I think Okafor will make a great third big alongside Baby on the second unit.

We gotta do this trade if NO will take the bait IMO.

[BballTim]

The issue for me isnt just comparing the value at present of Rondo and Chris Paul. I have to consider that in a couple of years who do I want to build around with my 30 odd million in cap space? A nucleus of Rondo, Perk, Avery and Baby? Or a nucleus of Paul, Okafor, Avery and Baby?

  Isn't Paul out of contract in 2 years?

[billysan]

  Isn't Paul out of contract in 2 years?

Yes but we will have had him for two years and with a Championship and Finals appearance behind him by then with a little luck, he may be just a little more agreeable to stayin aroung Boston. If Pierce is still a factor as a player and we have any assets at all to trade and keep a highly competive playoff level team intact that will mean a lot.

Of course if we stink and lose a bunch of games, he will be gone like a Rocket, as will Rondo and any other star caliber player who we dont have locked up long term.

[BballTim]

  Isn't Paul out of contract in 2 years?

Yes but we will have had him for two years and with a Championship and Finals appearance behind him by then with a little luck, he may be just a little more agreeable to stayin aroung Boston. If Pierce is still a factor as a player and we have any assets at all to trade and keep a highly competive playoff level team intact that will mean a lot.

Of course if we stink and lose a bunch of games, he will be gone like a Rocket, as will Rondo and any other star caliber player who we dont have locked up long term.

  But Rondo *is* locked up for 5 years.

[Bahku]

No thanks ... I'll stick with what's a proven and a viable part of a championship-winning, unselfish, cohesive unit, and not more question marks. (Besides, I'm bias ... I love this kid!)

[ssspence]

The only way the trade can happen is this way (without Okafor and adding Shrek):

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=275w45r

Totally unrealistic -- West is one of their best assets, cheap on short money.

Look, the Hornets are not trading Paul without Okefor. There is NO WAY they trade Paul without him. And in order for the Cs to trade for Paul with Okefor in tow is if they give up a member of the big 3, which is complicated and otherwise unlikely. Meanwhile, the Hornets do have a back up PG they like very much.

So -- news flash team Csblog -- this deal is not happening with the Celtics.

[billysan]

  Isn't Paul out of contract in 2 years?

Yes but we will have had him for two years and with a Championship and Finals appearance behind him by then with a little luck, he may be just a little more agreeable to stayin aroung Boston. If Pierce is still a factor as a player and we have any assets at all to trade and keep a highly competive playoff level team intact that will mean a lot.

Of course if we stink and lose a bunch of games, he will be gone like a Rocket, as will Rondo and any other star caliber player who we dont have locked up long term.

  But Rondo *is* locked up for 5 years.

Ok, but my preference if we could do the deal as shown here is to have Chris Paul over Rondo. You would rather have Rondo? That is not a big loss if we end up that way either. We could still possibly win with Rondo as well. I think we have an even better chance going forward of winning the next Championship with Chris Paul playing with our big three than Rondo.

[Moranis]

The only way the trade can happen is this way (without Okafor and adding Shrek):

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=275w45r

Totally unrealistic -- West is one of their best assets, cheap on short money.

Look, the Hornets are not trading Paul without Okefor. There is NO WAY they trade Paul without him. And in order for the Cs to trade for Paul with Okefor in tow is if they give up a member of the big 3, which is complicated and otherwise unlikely. Meanwhile, the Hornets do have a back up PG they like very much.

So -- news flash team Csblog -- this deal is not happening with the Celtics.

there needs to be another team involved.  Perhaps Indiana.

Bos Trades - Sheed, Rondo, Davis
Bos Receives - Paul

Ind Trades - Granger, Foster
Ind Receives - Rondo, Okafor

NO trades - Okafor, Paul
NO receives - Sheed, Granger, Davis, Foster

Other pieces can be traded here and there as well as draft picks.  I think this gets done what the teams would need done.  Solid up and coming SF to N.O. (on a long term deal), good solid role player on short term deal in Davis, and huge salary reduction in swapping Okafor for sheed and foster.  C's get an upgrade at PG for essentially a guy retiring and a bench player.  Indiana gets a solid young PG on a long term deal and a defensive minded still relatively young center.  

[BballTim]

The only way the trade can happen is this way (without Okafor and adding Shrek):

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=275w45r

Totally unrealistic -- West is one of their best assets, cheap on short money.

Look, the Hornets are not trading Paul without Okefor. There is NO WAY they trade Paul without him. And in order for the Cs to trade for Paul with Okefor in tow is if they give up a member of the big 3, which is complicated and otherwise unlikely. Meanwhile, the Hornets do have a back up PG they like very much.

So -- news flash team Csblog -- this deal is not happening with the Celtics.

there needs to be another team involved.  Perhaps Cleveland.

Bos Trades - Sheed, Rondo, Davis
Bos Receives - Paul

Ind Trades - Granger, Foster
Ind Receives - Rondo, Okafor

NO trades - Okafor, Paul
NO receives - Sheed, Granger, Davis, Foster

Other pieces can be traded here and there as well as draft picks.  I think this gets done what the teams would need done.  Solid up and coming SF to N.O. (on a long term deal), good solid role player on short term deal in Davis, and huge salary reduction in swapping Okafor for sheed and foster.  C's get an upgrade at PG for essentially a guy retiring and a bench player.  Indiana gets a solid young PG on a long term deal and a defensive minded still relatively young center. 

  And our backup bigs would be Erden and a re-signed Scal?