Bill Simmons-Rondo for Paul trade idea

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Via his twitter...

Boston has the hammer offer if they want to make it: Rondo, Perkins, Sheed's ghost, No. 1 + 3m for CP3 + Okafor. NO has to say yes to that.

I hate to get caught up in technicalities.... but this trade doesn't work. woops. rondo is a BYC player, so a deal involving okefor is next to impossible unless one of the Big 3 is included....

[BballTim]

Via his twitter...

Boston has the hammer offer if they want to make it: Rondo, Perkins, Sheed's ghost, No. 1 + 3m for CP3 + Okafor. NO has to say yes to that.

I hate to get caught up in technicalities.... but this trade doesn't work. woops. rondo is a BYC player, so a deal involving okefor is next to impossible unless one of the Big 3 is included....

  It has to work. Someone tweeted it.

[Birdbrain]

My take - Rajon Rondo is a terrific player on both ends, young, on a great contract, and we should be happy to have him.  Few players in the NBA are better.

Chris Paul is one of those players.

Not only did Kobe's ability to play off of Rondo mess up Boston's team offense (it is a team game after all), but it allowed Kobe to be closer to the boards and help the Lakers dominate us here.  Kobe had 15 rebounds in Game 7.  Does not happen if he is away from the basket guarding Chris Paul.

Also, we are often afraid to put the ball in Rondo's hands at the end of games because of his awful free throw shooting.  As great as he is, he is often a liability.

Wondering where the information that Chris Paul is a bad defensive player comes from?  Just because he gets steals?  Getting steals alone doesn't make you a great defensive player but it doesn't make you a bad one.  Pippen, Jordan, Alvin Robertson, Rondo himself, they all have high steal numbers.

With Rajon Rondo we have 1 championship.  Great.  Glad to have one. With Chris Paul we almost certainly would have 2.

Keep in mind that Rajon has played with 3 hall of famers just past their primes while Paul has played with 0.

I love the revisionism.  The dude dominated Cleveland unlike anything Chris Paul would have ever done.  He essentially made the Cavs and LJ quit with his game 4 performance which is so far in past that everyone forgets..

What did he revise?

Apparently you hang your hat on the 2nd Round?  That was a great series for Rondo but I am far more concerned about how we lost the Finals.  Rondo's inability to shoot from the field and the FT line certainly did not help us.  Was he the main culprit?  No not at all, and in fact was the last to give in.  With Perk healthy and Ray hitting a couple of his threes we win the title.  But regardless, the sag off defense and poor shooting of Rondo are major problems with his game.

Umm you have to get past the 2nd round to get the Finals.  And we most certainly didn't lose the finals because of Rondo.  He was our best player.  Look to lack of rebounding and Allen for missing everything outside of game 2.  

lol you think Chris Paul couldn't have had a similar performance as Rondo?  Again Rondo played out of his mind but Paul could have tore Mo Williams up too for similar numbers.  They are very similar players except Paul can shoot.  Did you watch Paul carry NO in the Playoffs a few years ago?

Like I said and you ignored, Rondo was not at fault for the Finals loss but once Perk was hurt and Ray couldn't hit shots we were boned because Rondo can't shoot to save his life.

Chris Paul can dominate the ball and score when need be or facilitate the offense as well as Rondo.  Don't you think we could have used a dominate scorer from the PG position when Pierce was getting shut down by Ron Artest and Ray couldn't hit a 3 to save his life in Game 7?  You need multiple positibilities in the NBA to react to what other teams throw at you.

Rondo is a great PG but Paul is going to be the best of this generation.  It's not an insult to Rondo and what he has provided to Boston but it's the truth.

No I don't think Paul would have done what Rondo did in game 4.  That's a bit crazy to even think he could.

If Rondo wasn't the issue you probably should have just left your Finals point out.  You were basically saying he was part of the problem while saying he's wasn't.  A win/win so to speak.  (The I don't mean to offend you, but you suck concept).

FYI, I'm very familiar with Paul's game.  Very talented, lot's of stats.  I've been watching him since college.  He seems like a pretty awful person but, that's neither here nor there.  I don't think a trade for him is even logically possible but, if DA somehow swing it I'll get on board.  

What is crazy about it?  Chris Paul can't pass, drive to the hoop?  Get steals?  What couldn't he do that Rondo did?

Rondo wasn't the most glaring issue in our Finals loss because Rondo's weaknesses are known quantities to Celtics fans. But like I said if Rondo could dominate the ball and score like Chris Paul can then we could of won the Finals regardless of Ray's dissapearing act from 3 and Perks injury.  You have no argument to the contrary, but nice try.

If you watched the Celtics give KG successfull touches every few times down to court to score on Gasol and then try to iso Pierce only to be shut down... yeah those were our only real options but that was because we have Rondo who can't shoot or score reliably.  Chris Paul can.  If we have him out there the floor is openend up for everyone else and he can score himself.

Being one of the biggest public figures in a rebuilding New Orleans and all that charity work he did... yeah Chris Paul seems like a bad guy.  

It's crazy because only like 3 people in the history of the NBA ever did it and 1 wasn't name Paul of course his teams rarely do anything in playoffs more than likely due to not being blessed with 3 HOFs to carry him...

I think my point concerning the Finals was pretty clear.  Ray missing WIDE OPEN 3's ( can chris paul create more space then that? If so that would be amazing ) KG garnering 1 rb in game 7 which we lost by 4 points w/o our Center were so much more of the reasons why we lost that your points about Rondo really don't make any sense... to me. Hey maybe Danny should have traded for Durant prior to the Finals as well.  Let's blame him too.

Not too mention asking to be traded while under contract.. great guy.  You appear to be a big fan of NBA Cares slogans they are probably the best way to really determine the actual personality of player...

[Birdbrain]

Yes, I do agree with them.

Chris Paul is better than Rajon Rondo.
Rajon Rondo is better than Mo Williams.

Chris Paul is way better than Mo Williams and would have dominated him and we would have won the series.  

Also worth noting, the sky is blue, the grass is green.

LeBron quitting on his team has also been a pretty big storyline, in case you missed any NBA news.

What revisionism.  No one had Boston beating Cleveland prior to the series now Chris Paul would have dominated them...  LJ quitting yes he quit, more than likely because Rondo took his heart. 

[celtsfan84]

I think most people picked Cleveland because Boston played .500 ball towards the end of the season.  Or is that revisionism?

Anyway, if we had Chris Paul, he would have taken LeBron's heart, or whatever non-sensical metaphor you would like to use.

Regarding your character concerns, did you know that the Lakers just won a title with Kobe Bryant and Ron Artest and not a church choir?

It seems to me like you missed the NBA Finals and only caught the 2nd Round.  If you would like me to explain how the NBA Playoffs work, I can.

[Witch-King]

As much as I hate to say this, Chris Paul should got to the Los Angeles Lakers.

 He would fit in perfectly with their offense and style of play, and also would serve as the ultimate 'foil' to Rajon Rondo -- both are All-star point guards drafted relatively around the same time, and they have already developed a sort of rivalry.

Either the Lakers or the Knicks, imo.

[celtsfan84]

Please try to grasp a better understanding of the word "Revisionism" before using it.

If we had Chris Paul instead of Rajon Rondo, we do not know if pundits would have picked Cleveland or Boston.  Our team would have been different.

[BballTim]

With Rajon Rondo we have 1 championship.  Great.  Glad to have one.  With Chris Paul we almost certainly would have 2.

  Considering Chris Paul hasn't been healthy in the playoffs the last 2 years, this must be a pretty hard claim to back up.

[Birdbrain]

Please try to grasp a better understanding of the word "Revisionism" before using it.

If we had Chris Paul instead of Rajon Rondo, we do not know if pundits would have picked Cleveland or Boston.  Our team would have been different.

Fair enough you have determined through osmosis what Chris Paul would have done on the C's this past season.  I'll take actually knowing that Rondo got the C's within a few Ray Allen bricks and few rebounds of #18.  A title I'm positive a lot of so called C's fans (the blogger that started the dumb trade idea) knew they had no chance of getting.  I'm fine not going with the pack in regards to this discussion as well.  

Call it whatever you like it's completely made up.

[Birdbrain]

As much as I hate to say this, Chris Paul should got to the Los Angeles Lakers.

 He would fit in perfectly with their offense and style of play, and also would serve as the ultimate 'foil' to Rajon Rondo -- both are All-star point guards drafted relatively around the same time, and they have already developed a sort of rivalry.

Either the Lakers or the Knicks, imo.

I was hoping he could latch on in Miami with LJ.

[Birdbrain]

With Rajon Rondo we have 1 championship.  Great.  Glad to have one.  With Chris Paul we almost certainly would have 2.

  Considering Chris Paul hasn't been healthy in the playoffs the last 2 years, this must be a pretty hard claim to back up.

I think if we would have kept Mikki Moore we would have won 3 straight. 

[celtsfan84]

The Lakers would be a bad fit for him.  Triangle point guards are used for defense or shooting to spread the floor.  It is not a point-guard based offense.  He'd basically give the ball to Kobe and stand in the corner waiting for a kickout.

[celtsfan84]

Birdbrain, wanted to note that I respect your choice to stand for your opinion even though I disagree with it.

I like Chris Paul, you like Rajon Rondo, we both like Mikki Moore.  No hard feelings, chief.

[BballTim]

My take - Rajon Rondo is a terrific player on both ends, young, on a great contract, and we should be happy to have him.  Few players in the NBA are better.

Chris Paul is one of those players.

Not only did Kobe's ability to play off of Rondo mess up Boston's team offense (it is a team game after all), but it allowed Kobe to be closer to the boards and help the Lakers dominate us here.  Kobe had 15 rebounds in Game 7.  Does not happen if he is away from the basket guarding Chris Paul.

Also, we are often afraid to put the ball in Rondo's hands at the end of games because of his awful free throw shooting.  As great as he is, he is often a liability.

Wondering where the information that Chris Paul is a bad defensive player comes from?  Just because he gets steals?  Getting steals alone doesn't make you a great defensive player but it doesn't make you a bad one.  Pippen, Jordan, Alvin Robertson, Rondo himself, they all have high steal numbers.

With Rajon Rondo we have 1 championship.  Great.  Glad to have one. With Chris Paul we almost certainly would have 2.

Keep in mind that Rajon has played with 3 hall of famers just past their primes while Paul has played with 0.

I love the revisionism.  The dude dominated Cleveland unlike anything Chris Paul would have ever done.  He essentially made the Cavs and LJ quit with his game 4 performance which is so far in past that everyone forgets..

What did he revise?

Apparently you hang your hat on the 2nd Round?  That was a great series for Rondo but I am far more concerned about how we lost the Finals.  Rondo's inability to shoot from the field and the FT line certainly did not help us.  Was he the main culprit?  No not at all, and in fact was the last to give in.  With Perk healthy and Ray hitting a couple of his threes we win the title.  But regardless, the sag off defense and poor shooting of Rondo are major problems with his game.

Umm you have to get past the 2nd round to get the Finals.  And we most certainly didn't lose the finals because of Rondo.  He was our best player.  Look to lack of rebounding and Allen for missing everything outside of game 2.  

lol you think Chris Paul couldn't have had a similar performance as Rondo?  Again Rondo played out of his mind but Paul could have tore Mo Williams up too for similar numbers.  They are very similar players except Paul can shoot.  Did you watch Paul carry NO in the Playoffs a few years ago?

  Personally, I'd be surprised to see Paul grab 18 rebounds in a playoff game. lol.

[Eric_Suede]

plus Rondo led the league in steals. Sorry, I love Paul's game but I would stick with rondo if it were up to me. Rondo just needs one more offseason with Mark Price to work on his free throws then we'll be all set.