If Wallace is going to retire, who could the Celtics trade him for (cap trade)

[CoachBo]

The question is - is it enough money for the management team? Hard to say since different firms have different margins that they want to operate at.

[RJ87]

We aren't going to trade Sheed. He's retiring and we'll get roughly 3 mil off the books for the next two seasons. It gives us a little cap flexibility to sign a player or two. Plus we can use all of or split up the MLE.

with Sheed off of the books, we're still over the cap by about $4m. So his retiring and not using that will only save us luxury tax - it won't help us get another player or 2 in addtion to the MLE. All we have is the MLE.

[paintitgreen]

We aren't going to trade Sheed. He's retiring and we'll get roughly 3 mil off the books for the next two seasons. It gives us a little cap flexibility to sign a player or two. Plus we can use all of or split up the MLE.

The team would save $6.2 mil this year and $6.9 mil next year (and probably more with luxury tax payments factored in). But like RJ said, the Cs don't get any extra money to spend strictly due to his retirement because they're still over the cap. They still have only the MLE and minimum contracts to get other teams' free agents (used the biannual exception on Marquis Daniels last year so it's not available this year), plus Bird rights on their own players.

There is a possibility I suppose that the NBA could give the Celtics an extra MLE. Last year, the NBA gave Houston an extra MLE as a result of Yao's season (and potentially career) ending injury; that's what they used to sign Ariza. However, I'm not sure if that extra exception applies only in the case of injuries to players still under contract (i.e., if the Celtics still had to pay Wallace). So I don't think the Celtics would qualify for one.

i think we need to give miami a little more than sheed for beasley ... like a future 1st as well.  I would do it in a heart beat.

I don't think we would need to give them anything else; Miami wants that cap space and will likely give Beasley away if they don't take back salary.

Has Emeka Okafor been mentioned yet? His contract is way too long, but NO would ditch him in a heartbeat for Sheed's expiring deal, yes? No?

We could do much worse than have a 28 year old center who is solid on defense. Clifford Ray could polish up his post moves and rebounding skills.

I do think the kid could be an adequate starting center, but at $53 million over the next four years? I just think that's too crippling a contract. And you're essentially guaranteeing you're not keeping Perk for the future since you can't pay Okafor that money to be a backup and Perk is gonna want a starter's job and money (which he's earned). Bottom line is bad contracts are never something a team should acquire, especially since New Orleans' sweetener would have to be Collison, who would still be a backup here. And Okafor's contract is truly terrible.

Not to slam the idea, though, it's a good thought in that that's the kind of thing the Celtics are probably gonna have to look at - a guy a team doesn't want for one reason or another. That's just too much money. And I really think it has to be a big man. The Celtics have Bird rights on some perimeter players, and there will be perimeter reserves available in free agency with MLE money. But the list of available big men is small, and the Cs have none in the fold so if they decide to trade Sheed's contract, it should be to get a center back to pick up the 48 minutes we're missing early this year with Perk likely out for a while and maybe never catching full up to speed, and Sheed gone.   

I'd like to see if Portland, having Camby and Oden in the fold for the foreseeable future, would be willing to give us Przybilla. He's only got one year left at about the same money. And Sheed could retire with the team that drafted him (even though that team's fans despise him). Or Portland can have that contract to parlay into something else.

[More Banners]

I know this one thing:  Ownership has been consistent in saying that they will spend money on a winner, and so far, they've backed it up.

I can only conclude that if they choose to keep the cap savings of a retiring Sheed for themselves, they believe it's time to rebuild, no matter whether PP, Ray, and KG are still here.

[birdwatcher]

We aren't going to trade Sheed. He's retiring and we'll get roughly 3 mil off the books for the next two seasons. It gives us a little cap flexibility to sign a player or two. Plus we can use all of or split up the MLE.

with Sheed off of the books, we're still over the cap by about $4m. So his retiring and not using that will only save us luxury tax - it won't help us get another player or 2 in addtion to the MLE. All we have is the MLE.

If the cap really ends up at $56 mil, we will be right at the limit, as we only have 5 players signed. Marquis contract has a team option that I'm sure we won't pick up. The problem really is Pierce's contract. If he picks up his last year, there's 21+ mil that will force Wyc to pay dollar for dollar tax for anyone else we sign aside from our use of the MLE. If he opts out and re-signs with us, the things I've been hearing says that Pierce is likely gonna get something in the neighborhood of 3yrs/40 mil. That will most likely be easier on the front end to help with cap room and presumably be at around $10-$11 mil the first year and work its way up the rest of contract. That would give us the ability to sign our draft pick(s), maybe Ray if he will play for 8 mil or less, or a couple role players. IF Pierce doesn't restructure and wyc doesn't want to pay tax, we'd probably have to trade Pierce just to fill out our roster.

[JSD]

We aren't going to trade Sheed. He's retiring and we'll get roughly 3 mil off the books for the next two seasons. It gives us a little cap flexibility to sign a player or two. Plus we can use all of or split up the MLE.

with Sheed off of the books, we're still over the cap by about $4m. So his retiring and not using that will only save us luxury tax - it won't help us get another player or 2 in addtion to the MLE. All we have is the MLE.

If the cap really ends up at $56 mil, we will be right at the limit, as we only have 5 players signed. Marquis contract has a team option that I'm sure we won't pick up. The problem really is Pierce's contract. If he picks up his last year, there's 21+ mil that will force Wyc to pay dollar for dollar tax for anyone else we sign aside from our use of the MLE. If he opts out and re-signs with us, the things I've been hearing says that Pierce is likely gonna get something in the neighborhood of 3yrs/40 mil. That will most likely be easier on the front end to help with cap room and presumably be at around $10-$11 mil the first year and work its way up the rest of contract. That would give us the ability to sign our draft pick(s), maybe Ray if he will play for 8 mil or less, or a couple role players. IF Pierce doesn't restructure and wyc doesn't want to pay tax, we'd probably have to trade Pierce just to fill out our roster.

Daniels has an option? Link?

[birdwatcher]

We aren't going to trade Sheed. He's retiring and we'll get roughly 3 mil off the books for the next two seasons. It gives us a little cap flexibility to sign a player or two. Plus we can use all of or split up the MLE.

The team would save $6.2 mil this year and $6.9 mil next year (and probably more with luxury tax payments factored in). But like RJ said, the Cs don't get any extra money to spend strictly due to his retirement because they're still over the cap. They still have only the MLE and minimum contracts to get other teams' free agents (used the biannual exception on Marquis Daniels last year so it's not available this year), plus Bird rights on their own players.
ind of thing the Celtics are probably gonna have to look at   

The team has to count around half of each year's salary against their cap space when Sheed retires. So whether he retires or not the C's still pay around 3+ mil this year and next.

[RJ87]

We aren't going to trade Sheed. He's retiring and we'll get roughly 3 mil off the books for the next two seasons. It gives us a little cap flexibility to sign a player or two. Plus we can use all of or split up the MLE.

with Sheed off of the books, we're still over the cap by about $4m. So his retiring and not using that will only save us luxury tax - it won't help us get another player or 2 in addtion to the MLE. All we have is the MLE.

If the cap really ends up at $56 mil, we will be right at the limit, as we only have 5 players signed. Marquis contract has a team option that I'm sure we won't pick up. The problem really is Pierce's contract. If he picks up his last year, there's 21+ mil that will force Wyc to pay dollar for dollar tax for anyone else we sign aside from our use of the MLE. If he opts out and re-signs with us, the things I've been hearing says that Pierce is likely gonna get something in the neighborhood of 3yrs/40 mil. That will most likely be easier on the front end to help with cap room and presumably be at around $10-$11 mil the first year and work its way up the rest of contract. That would give us the ability to sign our draft pick(s), maybe Ray if he will play for 8 mil or less, or a couple role players. IF Pierce doesn't restructure and wyc doesn't want to pay tax, we'd probably have to trade Pierce just to fill out our roster.

Assuming Paul picks up his option (which I expect him to) and Sheed retires without us trading him - that puts at about $58m for 5 players. We have birdrights to Ray, TA, Scal + the MLE + vet exceptions + non br rights to Nate, Shelden, Quis.

We need to use Sheed's contract in a trade if we're looking to get value out of it that shows on the court. We get no more cap from it, just luxury tax savings.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9163

EDIT: and that doesn't include capholds for Ray, TA, and Scal, plus empty roster spots.

[Brendan]

We aren't going to trade Sheed. He's retiring and we'll get roughly 3 mil off the books for the next two seasons. It gives us a little cap flexibility to sign a player or two. Plus we can use all of or split up the MLE.

The team would save $6.2 mil this year and $6.9 mil next year (and probably more with luxury tax payments factored in). But like RJ said, the Cs don't get any extra money to spend strictly due to his retirement because they're still over the cap. They still have only the MLE and minimum contracts to get other teams' free agents (used the biannual exception on Marquis Daniels last year so it's not available this year), plus Bird rights on their own players.
ind of thing the Celtics are probably gonna have to look at    

The team has to count around half of each year's salary against their cap space when Sheed retires. So whether he retires or not the C's still pay around 3+ mil this year and next.

What are you basing this on? According to Larry Coon's FAQ

54. What are the rules for retired players?

There's nothing binding about a player announcing his retirement. The player could still sign a new contract and continue playing (if he's not under contract), or return to his team (if he is still under contract) and resume his career.

The only exception to this is when a player is still under contract, wants to quit, and his team doesn't want to let him out of his contract. Under these circumstances the player can file for retirement with the league. The player is placed on the league's Voluntarily Retired list, forgoes his remaining salary, and cannot return to the league for one year. The latter requirement prevents players from using retirement as an underhanded way to change teams, but can be overridden with unanimous approval from all 30 teams.

Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player is no longer playing or has retired.

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is not included in the team's team salary. This is when a player is forced to retire for medical reasons and a league-appointed physician confirms that he is medically unfit to continue playing. There is a waiting period of one year following the injury or illness before a team can apply for this salary cap relief. If the waiting period expires mid-season (on any date prior to the last day of the regular season), then the player's entire salary for that season is removed from the team's team salary. For example, in March 2003 the Knicks were allowed to remove Luc Longley's entire 2002-03 salary from their books (and since the luxury tax is based on the team salary as of the last day of the regular season, the Knicks avoided paying any tax on Longley's salary). This provision can also be used when a player dies while under contract.

If the player "proves the doctors wrong" and resumes his career, then his salary is returned to his team's team salary when he plays in his 10th game in any one season (including pre-season, regular season and playoff games). This allows a player to attempt to resume his career without affecting his team unless his comeback is ultimately successful. A team loses this salary cap relief even if the player later signs and plays 10 games with a different team.

Teams are not allowed to trade for disabled players and then apply for this salary cap relief. Only the team for which the player was playing when he was disabled may request this relief.

If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player.

So the team can either
1. Pay him for nothing (salary counts)
2. Buy him out (and have his buyout count)
3. Force him to file with the league (nothing counts)
4. Force him to play (I guess) if he won't file with league

[snively]

Biedrins for Wallace might be interesting. His contract is big & long, but he can rebound and hustle.

If Foster from Indiana has anything left in the tank, he'd be good too (Indiana is paying so much for nothing).

Marvin Williams from Atlanta would be interesting.

Beasley's by far the best option.  Sheed for Beasley would be fantastic.  Beas still has so much potential and he's a solid rotation player as is.  He's got the tools to be a great receiver for Rondo.

[RJ87]

Biedrins for Wallace might be interesting. His contract is big & long, but he can rebound and hustle.

If Foster from Indiana has anything left in the tank, he'd be good too (Indiana is paying so much for nothing).

Marvin Williams from Atlanta would be interesting.

Beasley's by far the best option.  Sheed for Beasley would be fantastic.  Beas still has so much potential and he's a solid rotation player as is.  He's got the tools to be a great receiver for Rondo.

Biedrins is too much of a commitment. It's pretty cleary that mgmt is looking to use cap space to rebuild in 2012 so unless he's in the longterm plans with Rondo, I just don't see us making a deal for him.

[CoachBo]

Which is why Beasley is the perfect fit for a Wallace deal. You can ride Beasley and the maturity he gains from a couple of years with Pierce and KG along with Rondo as you go forward.

[Cman]

I've knocked it before, but I am okay with the Beasley idea.  He has a lot of talent, and it is a unique situation with Miami trying to get as far under the cap as possible.  It would be a risky/ bold move though.

In terms of bold moves, is there a way to swing Sheed for Tyrus Thomas in a S&T?  ( I don't know if the move needs to be made before FA starts or not -- lot of confusion around how Sheed's retiring affects his contract).

I think the safest trade (not to sound like a broken record, as I've already mentioned this before) would be some sort of 2-1 trade like Sheed to ATL for Mo Evans and Zaza Pachulia. 

[PosImpos]

I've knocked it before, but I am okay with the Beasley idea.  He has a lot of talent, and it is a unique situation with Miami trying to get as far under the cap as possible.  It would be a risky/ bold move though.

In terms of bold moves, is there a way to swing Sheed for Tyrus Thomas in a S&T?  ( I don't know if the move needs to be made before FA starts or not -- lot of confusion around how Sheed's retiring affects his contract).

I think the safest trade (not to sound like a broken record, as I've already mentioned this before) would be some sort of 2-1 trade like Sheed to ATL for Mo Evans and Zaza Pachulia. 

Eh, I'm not a big fan of Zaza or Mo Evans.

[wdleehi]

I wonder if Portland would trade Joel Przybilla to save cap room?  They already have Oden and Camby to play.