CB Historical Draft - 1990's 2000's version: Draft Thread

[Donoghus]

Memphis Selects - Ben Wallace

That is an awesome pick.

[Who]

6th round I better get some size or I might be in trouble as Rodman and Bosh at PF/C is not a lot of size, but I like that mix especially with Lebron at SF and Stockton at the point.

I was happy Bosh made it this far.

Yeah, you definitely need some beef.  Bosh is going to get killed against the great centers in this league.

Yep.


But you may have found a good pick and roll partner for Stockton.

Yep.  Bosh is an excellent potential power forward there.  I'd just prefer to see him next to a strong defensive center, like a Dikembe.

I do have Rodman who was pesky as hell against Shaq and Hakeem in the early 90's.  Obviously Rodman can't defend them for long periods of time, but I think people forget just how versatile and how good Rodman was at guarding essentially 4 positions.  

I do have a couple of guys in mind, that I'm hoping will be there for my two picks in the 6th round, that should add some necessary size to my interior (I probably should pick up a SG at some point as well).

Early 90's Shaq is not the Shaq that Rodman would see here. I understand your point but, just saying that Rodman at his best is going to have a very tough time guarding the bigger centers when they are at their best.

I thought Pippen and Jordan were the main reasons Rodman was so successful against Shaq. It was their ball pressure in the backcourt, half court traps, and harassment on post entry passes that slowed down the Magic's + Lakers' offenses.

It led to Shaq getting the ball later in the shot clock and being able to neutralize him with one double team instead of Shaq being able to get the ball early in the shot clock and then re-post after the double. Creating both lower/better post position and more opportunities for his teammates to play off of him.

In order to create a similar scenario, you'll need to have that type of defensive quickness/athleticism + defensive talent (and importantly ability to create turnovers) to create the correct platform for a player like Rodman to be successful against a guy like Shaq.

[Moranis]

6th round I better get some size or I might be in trouble as Rodman and Bosh at PF/C is not a lot of size, but I like that mix especially with Lebron at SF and Stockton at the point.

I was happy Bosh made it this far.

Yeah, you definitely need some beef.  Bosh is going to get killed against the great centers in this league.

Yep.


But you may have found a good pick and roll partner for Stockton.

Yep.  Bosh is an excellent potential power forward there.  I'd just prefer to see him next to a strong defensive center, like a Dikembe.

I do have Rodman who was pesky as hell against Shaq and Hakeem in the early 90's.  Obviously Rodman can't defend them for long periods of time, but I think people forget just how versatile and how good Rodman was at guarding essentially 4 positions.  

I do have a couple of guys in mind, that I'm hoping will be there for my two picks in the 6th round, that should add some necessary size to my interior (I probably should pick up a SG at some point as well).

Early 90's Shaq is not the Shaq that Rodman would see here. I understand your point but, just saying that Rodman at his best is going to have a very tough time guarding the bigger centers when they are at their best.

I understand, but early 90's Hakeem is the player he would see here and Rodman did a number on him at various times.  Rodman is in my opionion the best defensive player in the history of basketball given his uncanny ability to guard virtually anyone on the floor and to do so at a very high level.  His athleticism is underappreciated historically and he was a lot stronger then you would think by looking at him.  Couple that with his frentic energy and fantastic positioning and he was just an absolute defensive and rebounding animal.  If he wasn't such a nutcase he would have won quite a few more defensive player of the year awards and would have been a lock for the HOF.

[indeedproceed]

6th round I better get some size or I might be in trouble as Rodman and Bosh at PF/C is not a lot of size, but I like that mix especially with Lebron at SF and Stockton at the point.

I was happy Bosh made it this far.

Yeah, you definitely need some beef.  Bosh is going to get killed against the great centers in this league.

Yep.


But you may have found a good pick and roll partner for Stockton.

Yep.  Bosh is an excellent potential power forward there.  I'd just prefer to see him next to a strong defensive center, like a Dikembe.

I do have Rodman who was pesky as hell against Shaq and Hakeem in the early 90's.  Obviously Rodman can't defend them for long periods of time, but I think people forget just how versatile and how good Rodman was at guarding essentially 4 positions. 

I do have a couple of guys in mind, that I'm hoping will be there for my two picks in the 6th round, that should add some necessary size to my interior (I probably should pick up a SG at some point as well).

Early 90's Shaq is not the Shaq that Rodman would see here. I understand your point but, just saying that Rodman at his best is going to have a very tough time guarding the bigger centers when they are at their best.

I understand, but early 90's Hakeem is the player he would see here and Rodman did a number on him at various times.  Rodman is in my opionion the best defensive player in the history of basketball given his uncanny ability to guard virtually anyone on the floor and to do so at a very high level.  His athleticism is underappreciated historically and he was a lot stronger then you would think by looking at him.  Couple that with his frentic energy and fantastic positioning and he was just an absolute defensive and rebounding animal.  If he wasn't such a nutcase he would have won quite a few more defensive player of the year awards and would have been a lock for the HOF.

I think the only guy you can put on 99-00 Shaq is probably 03/04 Ben Wallace. I don't know who else could handle the big fella that season, or even begin to say they could be able to. One of the most dominant seasons ever.

[Fan from VT]

6th round I better get some size or I might be in trouble as Rodman and Bosh at PF/C is not a lot of size, but I like that mix especially with Lebron at SF and Stockton at the point.

I was happy Bosh made it this far.

Yeah, you definitely need some beef.  Bosh is going to get killed against the great centers in this league.

Yep.


But you may have found a good pick and roll partner for Stockton.

Yep.  Bosh is an excellent potential power forward there.  I'd just prefer to see him next to a strong defensive center, like a Dikembe.

I do have Rodman who was pesky as hell against Shaq and Hakeem in the early 90's.  Obviously Rodman can't defend them for long periods of time, but I think people forget just how versatile and how good Rodman was at guarding essentially 4 positions. 

I do have a couple of guys in mind, that I'm hoping will be there for my two picks in the 6th round, that should add some necessary size to my interior (I probably should pick up a SG at some point as well).

Early 90's Shaq is not the Shaq that Rodman would see here. I understand your point but, just saying that Rodman at his best is going to have a very tough time guarding the bigger centers when they are at their best.

I understand, but early 90's Hakeem is the player he would see here and Rodman did a number on him at various times.  Rodman is in my opionion the best defensive player in the history of basketball given his uncanny ability to guard virtually anyone on the floor and to do so at a very high level.  His athleticism is underappreciated historically and he was a lot stronger then you would think by looking at him.  Couple that with his frentic energy and fantastic positioning and he was just an absolute defensive and rebounding animal.  If he wasn't such a nutcase he would have won quite a few more defensive player of the year awards and would have been a lock for the HOF.

I think the only guy you can put on 99-00 Shaq is probably 03/04 Ben Wallace. I don't know who else could handle the big fella that season, or even begin to say they could be able to. One of the most dominant seasons ever.

'Zo in his prime could challenge Shaq defensively. Also a Prime Mutumbo.

[Roy Hobbs]

6th round I better get some size or I might be in trouble as Rodman and Bosh at PF/C is not a lot of size, but I like that mix especially with Lebron at SF and Stockton at the point.

I was happy Bosh made it this far.

Yeah, you definitely need some beef.  Bosh is going to get killed against the great centers in this league.

Yep.


But you may have found a good pick and roll partner for Stockton.

Yep.  Bosh is an excellent potential power forward there.  I'd just prefer to see him next to a strong defensive center, like a Dikembe.

I do have Rodman who was pesky as hell against Shaq and Hakeem in the early 90's.  Obviously Rodman can't defend them for long periods of time, but I think people forget just how versatile and how good Rodman was at guarding essentially 4 positions. 

I do have a couple of guys in mind, that I'm hoping will be there for my two picks in the 6th round, that should add some necessary size to my interior (I probably should pick up a SG at some point as well).

Early 90's Shaq is not the Shaq that Rodman would see here. I understand your point but, just saying that Rodman at his best is going to have a very tough time guarding the bigger centers when they are at their best.

I understand, but early 90's Hakeem is the player he would see here and Rodman did a number on him at various times.  Rodman is in my opionion the best defensive player in the history of basketball given his uncanny ability to guard virtually anyone on the floor and to do so at a very high level.  His athleticism is underappreciated historically and he was a lot stronger then you would think by looking at him.  Couple that with his frentic energy and fantastic positioning and he was just an absolute defensive and rebounding animal.  If he wasn't such a nutcase he would have won quite a few more defensive player of the year awards and would have been a lock for the HOF.

I think the only guy you can put on 99-00 Shaq is probably 03/04 Ben Wallace. I don't know who else could handle the big fella that season, or even begin to say they could be able to. One of the most dominant seasons ever.

'Zo in his prime could challenge Shaq defensively. Also a Prime Mutumbo.

Yep.  Shaq's four worst games that year came against Dikembe, Mourning, and Hakeem (twice).

[indeedproceed]

Zo and Deke are both great points.

I'm really surprised that Hakeem put the screws to him in 99-00.

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, we are very happy with the Gerald Wallace pick. He has developed 3-range (see 09-10 season) and one of few 3's that can slow down Lebron. Very good FG%, reb numbers, and overall pts.

Very Under-rated Defender.

Can't ask for too much else out of your 3.

I believe that it is a perfect pick for our Defensive-Minded team. And we aren't finished.

Opponents will hate to see us on their schedules once I'm done.

[nickagneta]

Well, we are very happy with the Gerald Wallace pick. He has developed 3-range (see 09-10 season) and one of few 3's that can slow down Lebron. Very good FG%, reb numbers, and overall pts.

Very Under-rated Defender.

Can't ask for too much else out of your 3.

I believe that it is a perfect pick for our Defensive-Minded team. And we aren't finished.

Opponents will hate to see us on their schedules once I'm done.

going for Best Defensive Team....very good goal.

[StartOrien]

Anybody who hasn't picked, I have the 2nd pick next round, if you want to move back a little and pickup a later draft pick PM me.

[nickagneta]

We have a trade:

Utah sends their 6th(1) and 8th(10) and 12th(10)

Chicago sends their 4th(6) and 13th(9)

[nickagneta]

With their pick in the 4th round of the CB Historical Draft the Utah Jazz select:



Joe Dumars

[nickagneta]

In my estimation, Joe Dumars was the best player still on the board by a wide margin. Had to do the trade to get him.

[StartOrien]

Blast! That's the guy I was trying to trade for. Would've definitely topped that trade.

EDIT: Ugh! Would've crushed it!

[Roy Hobbs]

We have a trade:

Utah sends their 6th(1) and 8th(10) and 12th(10)

Chicago sends their 4th(6) and 13th(9)

I don't like a 6th and an 8th for a 4th for Chicago.  We'll see how it shakes out, but I would focus on getting the most elite players possible.