CB Historical Draft - 1990's 2000's version: Draft Thread

[Moranis]

I like the Hardaway pick.  He's an underrated player.

yep.  I had him pegged as an early 6th, so middle of 5th doesn't seem off to me.

I'm very surprised by some of hte players that are still on the board at this point.

[StartOrien]

Bowen is a wonderful player, but like a lot of other picks this round, I think he's a bit of a reach.  I think it's too early for role players, when there are legit perennial all-stars (at pretty much every position) still available.

Also, I agree with you to some degree Roy, but it's just ONE season for a player. So the perennial all star doesn't matter as much. IMO there's plenty of players that for ONE season have played similarily to the player you alluded to earlier.

[Roy Hobbs]

Bowen is a wonderful player, but like a lot of other picks this round, I think he's a bit of a reach.  I think it's too early for role players, when there are legit perennial all-stars (at pretty much every position) still available.

Also, I agree with you to some degree Roy, but it's just ONE season for a player. So the perennial all star doesn't matter as much. IMO there's plenty of players that for ONE season have played similarily to the player you alluded to earlier.

In evaluating teams, I think it's a lot easier to judge a player with a proven track record, even if you're only looking at one particular season.  I think a "one year wonder" isn't going to earn a ton of votes, whereas a perennial guy is going to sway voters.

[StartOrien]

Bowen is a wonderful player, but like a lot of other picks this round, I think he's a bit of a reach.  I think it's too early for role players, when there are legit perennial all-stars (at pretty much every position) still available.

Also, I agree with you to some degree Roy, but it's just ONE season for a player. So the perennial all star doesn't matter as much. IMO there's plenty of players that for ONE season have played similarily to the player you alluded to earlier.

In evaluating teams, I think it's a lot easier to judge a player with a proven track record, even if you're only looking at one particular season.  I think a "one year wonder" isn't going to earn a ton of votes, whereas a perennial guy is going to sway voters.

Maybe the rules changed, but I remember specifically being discussed that we'd only be looking at one particular player. There was an exact example given where that Penny Hardaway would be considered a better player than Joe Dumars because at the very height of their career, the poster believed Penny to be a better player.

[Roy Hobbs]

Bowen is a wonderful player, but like a lot of other picks this round, I think he's a bit of a reach.  I think it's too early for role players, when there are legit perennial all-stars (at pretty much every position) still available.

Also, I agree with you to some degree Roy, but it's just ONE season for a player. So the perennial all star doesn't matter as much. IMO there's plenty of players that for ONE season have played similarily to the player you alluded to earlier.

In evaluating teams, I think it's a lot easier to judge a player with a proven track record, even if you're only looking at one particular season.  I think a "one year wonder" isn't going to earn a ton of votes, whereas a perennial guy is going to sway voters.

Maybe the rules changed, but I remember specifically being discussed that we'd only be looking at one particular player. There was an exact example given where that Penny Hardaway would be considered a better player than Joe Dumars because at the very height of their career, the poster believed Penny to be a better player.

Call it bias or whatever, but if a guy put up huge stats only one year in his career, I'd be more skeptical that that was his true ability, or that that's something that could be counted on consistently / in a different environment.

A guy like Penny had a track record.  A guy like ____________, with only one great season, didn't.  I'd grade a team downward if they relied too much upon __________________.

[StartOrien]

I think we could get some clarification here:

I was under the impression that we were taking one player, for one season and kind of acting blind to the rest of their career. I haven't drafted with a 'one and done' philosophy, so it's no big deal, but I'd like to get some kind of definitive answer.

[misha]

There are some great players left. Off the top of my head, a very good 6 time all star can improve many teams.

[StartOrien]

Could we stop with the hints? It's getting a little ridiculous.

[Fan from VT]

I think we could get some clarification here:

I was under the impression that we were taking one player, for one season and kind of acting blind to the rest of their career. I haven't drafted with a 'one and done' philosophy, so it's no big deal, but I'd like to get some kind of definitive answer.

I think this is the goal, but it's hard to ignore nearby seasons as well, especially as tiebreakers. So far, in my opinion, mostly every player taken has a track record such that their best seasons we choose are not really drastic outliers. On the flip side, I do worry that certain players (especially Celtics, I must say) will have their superior reputations from previous years infiltrate the 89-90 season cutoff...But this will be taken up in the post draft debate!!

[StartOrien]

Sounds good to me

[riah32]

If someone has a suggestion as too who I should draft pm me!!

[GreenFaith1819]

I think we could get some clarification here:

I was under the impression that we were taking one player, for one season and kind of acting blind to the rest of their career. I haven't drafted with a 'one and done' philosophy, so it's no big deal, but I'd like to get some kind of definitive answer.

Sounds good to me.

I think this is the goal, but it's hard to ignore nearby seasons as well, especially as tiebreakers. So far, in my opinion, mostly every player taken has a track record such that their best seasons we choose are not really drastic outliers. On the flip side, I do worry that certain players (especially Celtics, I must say) will have their superior reputations from previous years infiltration the 89-90 season cutoff...But this will be taken up in the post draft debate!!

I don't think that we have to worry about that. Both Bird and McHale were both All-Star Elite players well into the early 90's.

Both of your rosters look good, too. Don't forget that there are stilll many quality players left. Make sure you comb that Excel SpreadSheet that Nick provided Very Closely. And have an NBA.Com "Historical Player" internet explorer window open to do a little research on them.

For what I wanted to accomplish for my roster, I was going to err on the side of Above Average to Elite-Level defenders - especially in their Primes.

I'm glad that I did. New Jersy has to contend with the Utah's and Milwaukees, as well as the other Rosters represented here.

For me, I was going to draft Quality Big Men first, regardless. That is what kept me from nabbing Bird.

I was So Close to grabbing Shaq from Nick, but Hakeem's Game always intrigued me.

Still much fun to be had here - still many players to pick from. And we chose Coaches on Tomorrow

[GreenFaith1819]

If someone has a suggestion as too who I should draft pm me!!

Well, who is on your Roster? If you can or chose to, update it on your Signature, like mine.

[stoyko]

Both of your rosters look good, too. Don't forget that there are stilll many quality players left. Make sure you comb that Excel SpreadSheet that Nick provided Very Closely. And have an NBA.Com "Historical Player" internet explorer window open to do a little research on them.

For what I wanted to accomplish for my roster, I was going to err on the side of Above Average to Elite-Level defenders - especially in their Primes.

I'm glad that I did. New Jersy has to contend with the Utah's and Milwaukees, as well as the other Rosters represented here.

For me, I was going to draft Quality Big Men first, regardless. That is what kept me from nabbing Bird.

I was So Close to grabbing Shaq from Nick, but Hakeem's Game always intrigued me.

Still much fun to be had here - still many players to pick from. And we chose Coaches on Tomorrow

I prefer Basketball-reference.com 

I think all the teams are coming together well and it will be neat to see how they end up. Plus since so much of this is theoretical I wouldn't worry about making reach picks if you get the players that fit your vision.

[GreenFaith1819]

I must say this (Without breaking the rules):

There is One PowerForward still out there...quite a few IMO, but this man was very under-rated back in the day. One of my favorite players, too. He's on my list, but probably not until the 8th or 9th round.

This man caused many teams much trouble down low. Those in need of Bigs really comb your Excel Spreadsheet. If he's still around that late, he's mine

If someone grabs him, you'll definitely get an Thumbs up from me. I think this man was a very important piece of a team back in the day.