Rondo is Average

[ThaPreacher]

hmmmmm is it me or is rondo the only consistent player on the team....i dont mean every game, but 9 out of 10

not pierce, not kg, not ray,,,,rondo has easily been the most consistent player this year

hmmmm...what games are you watching? Rondo is a clumsy hack who is TOTALLY overrated.

ROF****!



Larry Bird is just another college player.  Shaq will never win a title.  Charles Barkley is too short.  Hakeem is a good athlete but will never have a low post game.  Steve Nash won't get his shot off. And Lebron is just an overrated high school kid.

yeah yeah yeah,,,we've heard it all before

And Rondo is average.

[Greenbean]

How can you honestly say he does nothing exceptional.

Below Average:
Shooting

Average:
On ball defense (50% of the time)

Exeptional:
Everything else you could ask a PG to do.

[Chris]

How can you honestly say he does nothing exceptional.

Below Average:
Shooting

Average:
On ball defense (50% of the time)

Exeptional:
Everything else you could ask a PG to do.

I mostly agree, although I would add game management as average (at best).  He does not control the pace of the game nearly as much as he should.

[Greenbean]

How can you honestly say he does nothing exceptional.

Below Average:
Shooting

Average:
On ball defense (50% of the time)

Exeptional:
Everything else you could ask a PG to do.

I mostly agree, although I would add game management as average (at best).  He does not control the pace of the game nearly as much as he should.

Yeah I would agree there. That is something that you acquire with experience and he just doesnt know when to do it now. What is frustrating is he is the only one on the floor that can dictate the pace and he hasnt put his stamp on a game in quite a while.

[PLamb]

How can you honestly say he does nothing exceptional.

Below Average:
Shooting

Average:
On ball defense (50% of the time)

Exeptional:
Everything else you could ask a PG to do.

I mostly agree, although I would add game management as average (at best).  He does not control the pace of the game nearly as much as he should.

In Rondo's defense sometimes what could appear to be poor pace management on Rondo's part could be bad pace acceptance by the other players on the court

Too often in fast break circumstances and opportunities it is Rondo and Rondo alone that pushes the pace and then needs to pull back due to the general lack of enthusiasm from the others on the court for pushing that pace

I would contend that much of Rondo's lack of proper game pace is due to the others on the floor that want to just walk it up the floor in a slow half court pace manner

Yes, I'm talking about KG and Pierce and Perk and Rasheed

Think about it, how many times do the Celtics attempt to fastbreak a game but then has to pull back because the defense has more people hustling up the floor than the Celtics do

[ssspence]

How can you honestly say he does nothing exceptional.

Below Average:
Shooting

Average:
On ball defense (50% of the time)

Exeptional:
Everything else you could ask a PG to do.

I mostly agree, although I would add game management as average (at best).  He does not control the pace of the game nearly as much as he should.

In Rondo's defense sometimes what could appear to be poor pace management on Rondo's part could be bad pace acceptance by the other players on the court

Too often in fast break circumstances and opportunities it is Rondo and Rondo alone that pushes the pace and then needs to pull back due to the general lack of enthusiasm from the others on the court for pushing that pace

I would contend that much of Rondo's lack of proper game pace is due to the others on the floor that want to just walk it up the floor in a slow half court pace manner

Yes, I'm talking about KG and Pierce and Perk and Rasheed

Think about it, how many times do the Celtics attempt to fastbreak a game but then has to pull back because the defense has more people hustling up the floor than the Celtics do

Agree. It should not be overlooked that he's playing on a team that works to his weaknesses. Paul, KG, Perk and Sheed are not great fits for Rondo's growth.

Rondo recently pointed out how much he likes playing with Quis for a reason -- he, like Ray, moves without the ball.

[Meds]

Rondo is an all-star. WHile i agree he will never be the man on a championship team to call him average is a disgrace. And to those who argued this dumb post for 5 pages also a disgrace. The NBA is dominated by slashing wings. Paul Pierce is our problem right now he's transforming into a set shooter not a scorer.

Again I ask what point guard has ever been "the man" on a championship team?

magic and isiah come to mind

Exactly we're going back 20 years to find one. Having a point guard as our "main" guy isn't too exciting when you look at recent history. I'm not sure I see a point guard in the league right now that would be the main guy on a championship team- and yes that includes Chris Paul.

one would argue that tony parker and chauncey billups' finals mvp awards reflect the importance of their play

Yeah they were important to their team but they weren't "the man" or whatever that means to their team.

they were when it counted most

Anyone on a championship team can be the MVP of the finals, they don't have to be the best player on their team.

I think we are getting sidetracked. Originally people were saying that Rondo won't be "the man" for a championship team. My argument was that very few PG's are "the man" for championship teams. I didn't say that they wouldn't be important to their team or play well when called upon.

Yes, I think PG's can win a finals MVP, but I think looking through history PG's on championship teams were not the best player on their team.

I really don't get what your arguing... how can you be finals MVP and not be the best player on the team. That is what the award means.... Rondo will be at least a top 5 pg in the league for the forseeable future. He is by no means average.

[Neurotic Guy]

Rondo has an incredibly unique skill set and is still very young.  There is nothing 'average' about him. 

The 2008-9 playoffs: In 14 games his stats were:
9.7 Rebounds
9.8 Assists
2.5 Steals and
16.9 Points

Show me evidence of a single other average point guard in the history of the league who produced those kind of stats over a 14 game period in the playoffs (or regular-season for that matter).  Without KG, Rondo LED the team to victory over the Bulls and nearly upset the finals-bound Magic. 

Average is not a word ANYONE was using to describe him during the 2008-9 playoffs. 

Nor was anyone thinking him average when he was named to the Eastern Conference All-Star Team. 

[xmuscularghandix]

Point guards are never the number 1 star on a championship team.

Bob Cousy was a star that could get you into the conference finals (or 50's equivalent) but he couldn't get the team over the top until Russell and Tommy came.

Isiah lead the Pistons to two in a row championships, but most people would say that the late 80's pistons were a team of balance. Laimbeer, Dumars, Johnson, AND Isiah all scored over 1,000 points that season.

Magic has won many championships. All of these teams were lead by Kareem (on the court) and were stacked.

Even the Big O didn't win a championship until Kareem came along.

Steve Nash- 0

Jason Kidd- 0

Payton is another great PG with nothing until his later years.

And most of all... Iverson a big zero championship wise.

[buellj814]

Point guards are never the number 1 star on a championship team.

Bob Cousy was a star that could get you into the conference finals (or 50's equivalent) but he couldn't get the team over the top until Russell and Tommy came.

Isiah lead the Pistons to two in a row championships, but most people would say that the late 80's pistons were a team of balance. Laimbeer, Dumars, Johnson, AND Isiah all scored over 1,000 points that season.

Magic has won many championships. All of these teams were lead by Kareem (on the court) and were stacked.

Even the Big O didn't win a championship until Kareem came along.

Steve Nash- 0

Jason Kidd- 0

Payton is another great PG with nothing until his later years.

And most of all... Iverson a big zero championship wise.

isiah was clearly the best and most important player on that team.. laimbeer, dumars, and johnson were good players.. isiah is an all-time point guard who controlled the second halves of games during both championship runs... Without isiah the pistons would not have won...

and i hate isiah!

[CelticG1]

Rondo is an all-star. WHile i agree he will never be the man on a championship team to call him average is a disgrace. And to those who argued this dumb post for 5 pages also a disgrace. The NBA is dominated by slashing wings. Paul Pierce is our problem right now he's transforming into a set shooter not a scorer.

Again I ask what point guard has ever been "the man" on a championship team?

magic and isiah come to mind

Exactly we're going back 20 years to find one. Having a point guard as our "main" guy isn't too exciting when you look at recent history. I'm not sure I see a point guard in the league right now that would be the main guy on a championship team- and yes that includes Chris Paul.

one would argue that tony parker and chauncey billups' finals mvp awards reflect the importance of their play

Yeah they were important to their team but they weren't "the man" or whatever that means to their team.

they were when it counted most

Anyone on a championship team can be the MVP of the finals, they don't have to be the best player on their team.

I think we are getting sidetracked. Originally people were saying that Rondo won't be "the man" for a championship team. My argument was that very few PG's are "the man" for championship teams. I didn't say that they wouldn't be important to their team or play well when called upon.

Yes, I think PG's can win a finals MVP, but I think looking through history PG's on championship teams were not the best player on their team.

I really don't get what your arguing... how can you be finals MVP and not be the best player on the team. That is what the award means.... Rondo will be at least a top 5 pg in the league for the forseeable future. He is by no means average.

My argument was that generally if your PG is the best player on your team than you don't have as good a chance at winning the championship

Sorry to say this but although Tony Parker won that finals MVP he WAS NOT the best player on that Spurs team. He might have been even third best with Tim Duncan being FAR AND AWAY the best player on that team.

I think Rondo is the second best PG in the league now. What are you arguing?

[Asce]

My argument was that generally if your PG is the best player on your team than you don't have as good a chance at winning the championship

Sorry to say this but although Tony Parker won that finals MVP he WAS NOT the best player on that Spurs team. He might have been even third best with Tim Duncan being FAR AND AWAY the best player on that team.

I think Rondo is the second best PG in the league now. What are you arguing?

I agree with the Parker comment, he was not the best player on that championship team (2006-07).

Tim Duncan was indeed their biggest producer of wins, followed by Manu Ginobli.

Now, as far as Rondo's ranking is concerned. He's not the second best point guard.

I'd have to call Chris Paul's season a wash (considering he's been sidelined by too many injuries). With that being said, Jason Kidd's clearly been the best, with Steve Nash riding his coattails. Rondo comes in third.

Clearly, if Paul hadn't missed any time, Rondo would very likely be ranked fourth.

[CoachBo]

Obviously, I'm not a Rondo worshipper like many on this board. But even I wouldn't call him average. Chris' assessment is pretty accurate.

With that said, I'd take a serious look at using him as a bargaining chip in a deal for a bridge to the future. I definitely do not feel that Rondo has the scoring ability to anchor any post-Big 3 team.

[Bahku]

Not.

[mmbaby]

I am definately a Rhondo 'worshipper'. He is what? 22 or 23?
Totally, awesomely, incredibly, unbelievably amazing is what he is. I truly don't see the point of this thread.