We have not developed value in Walker and Giddens.

[FatjohnReturns]

Doc and Ainge have failed to develop value in the young guys. I keep reading how Hickson is the key to any Cavs trade. The Cavs give the young guy 20 minutes a game. So he has the confidence and oppertunity to grow and become better. Walker was drafted also in 2008 the guy is buried on the bench. Who knows what his potential is. Meanwhile he got Pierce and Kg limping thru this season. I dont get it.

Cleveland is also vying for a championship yet they still are trying to develop young talent. Epic fail Doc and Danny.

[Tai]

They suck. Gimme a freaking break.

[FatjohnReturns]

How can you tell? They never play. Doc only put them in for like 2 minutes at the end of quaters.  When they do get time they are so scared to screw up that they are ineffictive.

[jdpapa3]

This was honestly my thought this morning. If Walker was just getting 10 minutes, it's possible that some team would fall in love with his dunks and require him in any deal. Look at Hickson: I have only seen the guy dunk and he is the best piece PHX is likely to get back.

[Jon]

They suck. Gimme a freaking break.

While I'm not sure it's quite this simple, I think that if they had shown anything in practice they would've at least gotten some run last year when we had terrible depth at the 2/3. 

While it's a shame, it's also quite possible that the last pick of the first round and a second round pick might just not be good enough to be in the NBA.  It happens all the time. 

[rondohondo]

I agree , Doc should have been playing Walker at least 10 mins a game. We all know what TA is ( a bench player , 8th or 9th man. Doc is playing Ray 40 MINS A NIGHT in half the games.

Playing Walker 10-15 mins a game does these things.

- Gives PP and Ray rest
- Gives Rondo another guy to run the floor and finish
- Gives us a young prospect teams might want in a trade


And don't tell me that they suck, Doc never plays young players unless he is forced to. Walker has proven he can score in the D league. I know its not NBA talent, but Walker would be playing against other teams 2nd unit players.

Doc play Walker,and I'm not talking about 5 mins every 5 games.

[angryguy77]

Thats one thing I don't understand. If you are not going to paly these guys, then then the draft picks should have been traded away. They may not look good in practice, but I highly doubt that should be a factor given the way the whole team has played this year.

[Drucci]

This is ridiculous.

I'm telling you, Hickson doesn't have any more value than Walker and Giddens. He just benefits from playing with LeBron, which gives him open looks and easy dunks or layups.

If the Suns really consider Hickson as a "talent" and a "good prospect", Kerr should be fired immediately. The guy benefits from wide open looks and plays 20 minutes a game, while not having special abilities or all-star potential. Ridiculously overrated.

[FatjohnReturns]

They suck. Gimme a freaking break.

While I'm not sure it's quite this simple, I think that if they had shown anything in practice they would've at least gotten some run last year when we had terrible depth at the 2/3. 

While it's a shame, it's also quite possible that the last pick of the first round and a second round pick might just not be good enough to be in the NBA.  It happens all the time. 

Well if thats true then they need to cut them loose and get someone in here that can either (a) help the team win immediatly or (b) different young guys that are more hungry.
Unfortunetly they are lost in nowhere land. They are not contributing or developing any value for a trade.

[guava_wrench]

This is ridiculous.

I'm telling you, Hickson doesn't have any more value than Walker and Giddens. He just benefits from playing with LeBron, which gives him open looks and easy dunks or layups.

If the Suns really consider Hickson as a "talent" and a "good prospect", Kerr should be fired immediately. The guy benefits from wide open looks and plays 20 minutes a game, while not having special abilities or all-star potential. Ridiculously overrated.

You say this with such conviction.

Giddens and Walker play with top players too. They just aren't good.

I'll file this thread with all those Gabe Pruitt threads.

[Jon]

They suck. Gimme a freaking break.

While I'm not sure it's quite this simple, I think that if they had shown anything in practice they would've at least gotten some run last year when we had terrible depth at the 2/3. 

While it's a shame, it's also quite possible that the last pick of the first round and a second round pick might just not be good enough to be in the NBA.  It happens all the time. 

Well if thats true then they need to cut them loose and get someone in here that can either (a) help the team win immediatly or (b) different young guys that are more hungry.
Unfortunetly they are lost in nowhere land. They are not contributing or developing any value for a trade.

They may.  But they do have some value as fillers to match up salaries right now. 

Plus, unless they can clearly get someone better than them, bums who know the system are better than bums who don't. 

[colincb]

I have mixed feelings about Doc's ability to develop guys particularly remembering how Gomes magically appeared to be able to play once given playing time (despite showing well in the summer league), but the Cs have developed Rondo, Perkins and Davis while Doc's been at the helm. Also, I haven't seen much of anything from Walker or Giddens and usually I'm able to see some spark of talent when I see young player if it's there. Which may be a long way of saying they suck.

[wdleehi]

If they were any good, they would have earned a rotational spot when they got a chance with the injuries.  That's what the following players did under Doc: Jefferson, West, Rondo, Gomes, Perk, Powe, Davis.


Those who didn't:  Allen Ray, Pruitt, Reed, Green, Greene, Walker, JR

[FatjohnReturns]

Its mismanagement plain and simple. We are super banged up and you cant cut 10 mpg for one or the other.(Walker or Giddens).  Washington also wanted Hickson for any Jamison trade. So its not just Cleveland. They have given the guy a chance to make mistakes and grow. Now they can cash him in. Our young guns never get a chance and their confidence level shows that when they do come in for 2 minutes at the end of a quater.

[Tai]

I agree , Doc should have been playing Walker at least 10 mins a game. We all know what TA is ( a bench player , 8th or 9th man. Doc is playing Ray 40 MINS A NIGHT in half the games.

Playing Walker 10-15 mins a game does these things.

- Gives PP and Ray rest
- Gives Rondo another guy to run the floor and finish
- Gives us a young prospect teams might want in a trade


And don't tell me that they suck, Doc never plays young players unless he is forced to. Walker has proven he can score in the D league. I know its not NBA talent, but Walker would be playing against other teams 2nd unit players.

Doc play Walker,and I'm not talking about 5 mins every 5 games.

I guess he didn't play Pruitt cause he hates young guys. Where is he now, again?

Hudson's not really getting the consistent time in Memphis that you'd like, either, if "5 min every 5 games" isn't good enough for you.

Also, I'll tell you Walker doesn't suck as long as you don't tell me that what he did in D-League means anything. It's one thing to score in D-League, but can he score the way in D-League the way he would have to in the NBA to be effective?

And I know you're not implying that Walker is playing "2nd unit players" in D-League starters. I'm not trying to berate Walker for the sake of it, but come on, you're telling me just as little as you'd think Doc would say about Walker when asked. Additionally, even without Ray Allen, only Paul Pierce had 30+ min against New Orleans (34). That was with 10 guys, not even including Shelden, and all without Walker. We don't need Walker just to keep starters' minutes down when healthy, either.