Celtics Trades I'd Like to See That Do Not Involve Ray Allen

[Brickowski]

1. Glenn Davis for Julian Wright.  Davis would put fannies in the seats in New Orleans.  Meanwhile, Wright is an excellent defender and slasher who is 4 inches taller than Tony Allen, who may or may not be back.

2. Eddie House, J.R. Giddens and a second round pick for Sergio Rodriguez and Mikki Moore.  Moore (expiring) is just cap fodder and would be waived.  The Kings have a surplus of point guards, the Celtics need one. I would also trade House for any number of guys who would be decent backup point guards, e.g. Goran Dragic.

3. Brian Scalabrine (expiring) and cash for Renaldo Balkman and filler (e.g. Anthony Carter).  Saves Denver money and gives Boston an active player who likes to run.

[Who]

2. Eddie House, J.R. Giddens and a second round pick for Sergio Rodriguez and Mikki Moore.  Moore (expiring) is just cap fodder and would be waived.  The Kings have a surplus of point guards, the Celtics need one. I would also trade House for any number of guys who would be decent backup point guards, e.g. Goran Dragic.

Moore was already bought out by the Kings -- how he came to Boston last season -- Can't be included in a trade.

I don't think the Kings give up Sergio Rodriguez for House + Giddens. They'd need to get something more in return. Not a lot. Likely a first round pick.

The only way I see Eddie House netting a quality backup point guard is if that backup point guard has a bad long term contract (or take back a bad contract of another player) or if another asset (draft pick, maybe BBD) is included to sweeten the deal.

3. Brian Scalabrine (expiring) and cash for Renaldo Balkman and filler (e.g. Anthony Carter).  Saves Denver money and gives Boston an active player who likes to run.

I don't see the Nuggets giving up Anthony Carter for Scalabrine. It would be a non-rotation player of limited-to-no use like a Johan Petro.

I don't have much interest in Balkman. I think he and Scalabrine bring comparable value to this Celtics team. Balkman as a physical defensive minded good rebounding small forward and Scalabrine as a mobile power forward who plays good team defense. I'd be reluctant to lose Scal without acquiring a power forward to replace that role first. I think Tony Allen provides enough of what Balkman brings to the table to make Scalabrine the higher priority for me.

1. Glenn Davis for Julian Wright.  Davis would put fannies in the seats in New Orleans.  Meanwhile, Wright is an excellent defender and slasher who is 4 inches taller than Tony Allen, who may or may not be back.

This would be a very good trade. I'm a big fan of Julian Wright. He's an All-Defense caliber defender across all three perimeter positions and a serviceable defender at the four. Excellent man-to-man defense and solid team defense with a lot of upside for improvement. Nice all-round offensive game except for the iffy jump shot. Good rebounder too.

An undisciplined talent. Plays out of control. But an excellent prospect (role player wise).

A superior version of a younger Trevor Ariza.

[Birdbrain]

1. Glenn Davis for Julian Wright.  Davis would put fannies in the seats in New Orleans.  Meanwhile, Wright is an excellent defender and slasher who is 4 inches taller than Tony Allen, who may or may not be back.

2. Eddie House, J.R. Giddens and a second round pick for Sergio Rodriguez and Mikki Moore.  Moore (expiring) is just cap fodder and would be waived.  The Kings have a surplus of point guards, the Celtics need one. I would also trade House for any number of guys who would be decent backup point guards, e.g. Goran Dragic.

3. Brian Scalabrine (expiring) and cash for Renaldo Balkman and filler (e.g. Anthony Carter).  Saves Denver money and gives Boston an active player who likes to run.

1. I always hear Wright's name mentioned as some player that floats under the radar but is uber athletic and 'excellent' defender.  Then I watch NO and realize they have very little talent and wonder why he only gets 11 min and 3.4 points a game.  Maybe his talent is so subtle their coaches don't even notice it.   I would pass.

2. I never want to trade Eddie House because he's a game changer and a serviceable backup PG.  Although I do want to bring in someone that can play the backup PG I just hope Eddie isn't part of the deal.  So again I would pass.

3. Sounds like a good enough deal to bring in Balkman who like you said could be a nice long defender and can at least finish on the break.  Can't do much else but, Scals won't be getting any minutes once everyone is back anyway.

[sk7326]

Wright has been underused - partly him, but the talent is there.  Byron Scott at first buried rookies generally, Wright could use a fresh start.  Scal for Belhman is an upgrade for us because Belkman is younger and can provide more heft than Scal.

If we just deal in Scalabrine's deal, some guys who make sense (thanks Trade Machine):

Ramon Sessions - can back up both guard positions, really a quasi-starting caliber guy, just because Minnesota is poorly run doesn't refute this reality

Ryan Gomes - 4 years is a long hitch, but we know what he can provide.  Better as a PF, but a good guy to have in a winning team's top 9

Charlie Bell - 3 years left, which lines him up with Garnett's deal.  Meh offense, solid defense, gives backcourt depth to a team that needs it.

Ronny Turiaf - decent contract, brings energy, surprisingly good passing and some of the Leon properties we miss without the actual Leon

[BballTim]

  We can't trade frontcourt depth for wing depth unless it's a real impact player. Keep Davis. We'll need him in the playoffs.

[fanofgreen]

Wright has been underused - partly him, but the talent is there.  Byron Scott at first buried rookies generally, Wright could use a fresh start.  Scal for Belhman is an upgrade for us because Belkman is younger and can provide more heft than Scal.

If we just deal in Scalabrine's deal, some guys who make sense (thanks Trade Machine):

Ramon Sessions - can back up both guard positions, really a quasi-starting caliber guy, just because Minnesota is poorly run doesn't refute this reality

Ryan Gomes - 4 years is a long hitch, but we know what he can provide.  Better as a PF, but a good guy to have in a winning team's top 9

Charlie Bell - 3 years left, which lines him up with Garnett's deal.  Meh offense, solid defense, gives backcourt depth to a team that needs it.

Ronny Turiaf - decent contract, brings energy, surprisingly good passing and some of the Leon properties we miss without the actual Leon

I think we could also get Keyon Dooling for Scal......Dooling has 2 yrs left on his deal, and being that its New Jersey, they have no reason to hold on to him.

Also being that it is New Jersey, they have every reason to be interested in getting Scalabrine, being a fan favorite, and former Net, Scal would most certainly increase attendance for the Nets. (not like they'll sell out or anything, just a boost in attendance numbers)

And I think Keyon is a better fit on this team, as far as backup pg is concered, because he is comfortable with and without the ball. so he could play with Eddie, or he could play with Rondo, he would give us much needed versatility in the backcourt.

[scoop]

1. Glenn Davis for Julian Wright.  Davis would put fannies in the seats in New Orleans.  Meanwhile, Wright is an excellent defender and slasher who is 4 inches taller than Tony Allen, who may or may not be back.

I'd love to get Wright, he's being wasted in NO. Does this work under the CBA? I'd be willing to give away a pick to get him. I also wouldn't mind to give away Davis - we need a player like Wright, who's underused as a perimeter 4, more than a primary 5 like Glen in the big man rotation.

2. Eddie House, J.R. Giddens and a second round pick for Sergio Rodriguez and Mikki Moore.  Moore (expiring) is just cap fodder and would be waived.  The Kings have a surplus of point guards, the Celtics need one. I would also trade House for any number of guys who would be decent backup point guards, e.g. Goran Dragic.

Moore was already waived after a season (career) ending injury  and he wasn't playing for the Kings this season anyway but for Golden State.

The Kings aren't trading Rodriguez for House and the Suns aren't trading Dragic for House. I'm also not particularly interested in the Rodriguez trade.

3. Brian Scalabrine (expiring) and cash for Renaldo Balkman and filler (e.g. Anthony Carter).  Saves Denver money and gives Boston an active player who likes to run.

I doubt Denver does this. They wouldn't saving much money this season or in the future and those guys are under franchise friendly contracts anyway - they can move them for trade exceptions if they really want to.

I also don't see much of a point to Boston. Balkman would be a 5th wing, Carter the 3rd guard.

[Brickowski]

Carter is expiring. Cap fodder.  I would be happy to waive him so he can resign with Denver in 30 days.

The star of this team going forward is going to be Rondo-- if he isn't the star already.  I'm looking to trade for guys who are a good fit with Rondo.  That means a couple of guys who can rebound and a bunch of guys who can run the floor. IMHO players like Balkman and Wright would be good fits here. They also need another point guard and Eddie House isn't that player.  I'd rather get a real pg and if we want someone who can bomb away off the bench I'd look into trading some of our expirings for Kapono, or going after Korver in the offseason.

[sk7326]

Carter is expiring. Cap fodder.  I would be happy to waive him so he can resign with Denver in 30 days.

The star of this team going forward is going to be Rondo-- if he isn't the star already.  I'm looking to trade for guys who are a good fit with Rondo.  That means a couple of guys who can rebound and a bunch of guys who can run the floor. IMHO players like Balkman and Wright would be good fits here. They also need another point guard and Eddie House isn't that player.  I'd rather get a real pg and if we want someone who can bomb away off the bench I'd look into trading some of our expirings for Kapono, or going after Korver in the offseason.

Kapono doesn't take enough 3s which is why he has been a middling player.  Eddie is fine for the hitches and the price they get him for, but sure a versatile 1/2 could help.  The sorts of small trades are not meant to find core players, but to get some depth for a team whose bench has struggled (hence riding starters much too hard).  Sessions would be a good fit, but pure cap space might not be enough of an enticement.

[EJPLAYA]

Carter is expiring. Cap fodder.  I would be happy to waive him so he can resign with Denver in 30 days.

The star of this team going forward is going to be Rondo-- if he isn't the star already.  I'm looking to trade for guys who are a good fit with Rondo.  That means a couple of guys who can rebound and a bunch of guys who can run the floor. IMHO players like Balkman and Wright would be good fits here. They also need another point guard and Eddie House isn't that player.  I'd rather get a real pg and if we want someone who can bomb away off the bench I'd look into trading some of our expirings for Kapono, or going after Korver in the offseason.

If you surround Rondo with players like Balkman, etc for the future, then the result will be an athletic bunch of losses. If Rondo isn't coupled with some stars then we won't win anything. Rondo, Perk, and 2 stars = contender. Rondo Perk AS your stars = lottery pick.

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Wright has been underused - partly him, but the talent is there.  Byron Scott at first buried rookies generally, Wright could use a fresh start.  Scal for Belhman is an upgrade for us because Belkman is younger and can provide more heft than Scal.

If we just deal in Scalabrine's deal, some guys who make sense (thanks Trade Machine):

Ramon Sessions - can back up both guard positions, really a quasi-starting caliber guy, just because Minnesota is poorly run doesn't refute this reality

Ryan Gomes - 4 years is a long hitch, but we know what he can provide.  Better as a PF, but a good guy to have in a winning team's top 9

Charlie Bell - 3 years left, which lines him up with Garnett's deal.  Meh offense, solid defense, gives backcourt depth to a team that needs it.

Ronny Turiaf - decent contract, brings energy, surprisingly good passing and some of the Leon properties we miss without the actual Leon

The last 2 years of Gomes' deal are only partially guaranteed, so his contract is pretty valuable.  They'd deal him for better talent, but not for expirings, which is really too bad for us.  A pick might get it done, but I doubt it even then.

I like Charlie Bell as an upgrade to Eddie House, and I think House and Giddens works?  Maybe with Delfino, they dump Bell?  I'd call and ask.

[Brickowski]

Who said anything about stars?  I'm looking for complementary players.  Do you think you are going to get a star for Brian Scalabrine and Eddie House? Do you think you will get a star drafting in the late 20's?

If they want stars to go with Rondo and Perkins, they will have to trade their old stars with expiring contracts for younger stars with longer contracts.  There's no other way.  The idea of getting way under the cap to get a star free agent is pie in the sky, and even if you could, you would need more than one (as you said).

[Birdbrain]

Rondo was the 26th pick.  Was Steve Kerr the GM of the Suns when Danny traded Marcus Banks lol for him?

That trade might end up being the steal of the century.

[Roy Hobbs]

Rondo was the 26th pick.  Was Steve Kerr the GM of the Suns when Danny traded Marcus Banks lol for him?

That trade might end up being the steal of the century.

He was the #21 pick, and Danny traded a future #1 (Rudy Fernandez) for him (and Brian Grant's contract), not Banks.

But yeah, it was still a great trade.

[Birdbrain]

Rondo was the 26th pick.  Was Steve Kerr the GM of the Suns when Danny traded Marcus Banks lol for him?

That trade might end up being the steal of the century.

He was the #21 pick, and Danny traded a future #1 (Rudy Fernandez) for him (and Brian Grant's contract), not Banks.

But yeah, it was still a great trade.

Thanks not sure what I was thinking.  That's right they signed Banks.