NFL Draft 2010

[Eja117]

Tebow to Denver? I don't know if I should be sad the Pats didn't get him or happy he went in the first. I'll just cry.

A 4th CB who got one whol INT last year in the first round while they have lots of other glaring needs for the Pats? Yep. Belichek is losing it.

[nickagneta]

I'm not liking this pick. I understand the CB pick just not the player. I liked Wilson but perhaps Bill is looking at the level of competition Wilson was playing to as compared to that of Wilson. Also, McCourty really stood out with his marks at the combine as well as his performance in a tough, tough conference over four years.

IBWT, I guess. Besides, I still think they got awesome value trading down twice. They started with

22, 44, 47, 53, 119 and then all those 6th and 7th rounders. They now have

27(McCourty), 44, 47, 53, 90, 113 and then all those 6th and 7th rounders. That's great value if they draft smart.

[Eja117]

So who is still left?

Kindle
Sapp
jonathan Dwyer ...eh..he is rated 1rst rnd in both my mags
Brian Price
Brandon Spikes
Taylor Mays
Golden Tate
Damian Williams
Brandon Lafell
jimmy Claussen...if we got him in the 3rd you'd be happy with that..admit it...not that THAT would happen
Bruce Armstrong...1rst round in both my mags
all the other TEs
Corey Wooten
Everson Griffen
Thadeus Gibbson
Carlos Dunlap
Donald Butler
Arrelious Benn
Dexter McCluster


lots of guys that did well in the Senior Bowl

[nickagneta]

Really, really deep second round this year eja. many of these guys would be first rounders in most years. I'm hoping for either Kindle or Sapp. Maybe Charles Brown the OT for USC would be good. Arrelius Penn the WR from Illinois, one of the two TCU linebackers, Hughes or Washington, and of course a TE could also fill the bill. Now that they have a third rounder, I would like to see them nab Toby Gerhart with that pick.

[PosImpos]

Really, really deep second round this year eja. many of these guys would be first rounders in most years. I'm hoping for either Kindle or Sapp. Maybe Charles Brown the OT for USC would be good. Arrelius Penn the WR from Illinois, one of the two TCU linebackers, Hughes or Washington, and of course a TE could also fill the bill. Now that they have a third rounder, I would like to see them nab Toby Gerhart with that pick.

Golden Tate, Gerhart, and Kindle are 3 guys I'd like to see fall to the Pats (even if Tate is from ND).

[Cman]

A few notes:
(1) Rutgers connection.  McCourty is from Rutgers and doesn't BB's son go to Rutgers (and play on the lacrosse team)?  BB must have had some exposure to McCourty and liked what he saw. 
(2) Special Teams. Seems like McCourty is a special teams stud; he wasn't the CB I wanted (I really liked Wilson), but I'll withhold judgment and see what he can do.
(3) I like J. Best (full disclosure, I'm a Cal grad), and think it was a good pick by Detroit (but not sure they needed to trade up for him).
(4)Prediction: Today will be *very* exciting for Pats fans; my guess is that there will be more trades (both involving picks for other picks, and perhaps a pick for a player).
(5) Players I like for the Pats: Tate, D. Williams, D. McCuster, Toby Gerhardt.  They'll take a DE/OLB, and it will be interesting to see who it is.  The smart money is apparently on S. Kindle.  Other players might be: Daniel TeONeoshim, Worilds.

[CoachBo]

Heh.

The first round is over, and two-thirds of ESPN's Holy Trinity is still on the sidelines - McCoy and Clausen.

Hahahahahahahah.

 

[Cman]

Albert Breer on boston.com really doesn't like the pick http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2010/04/nothing_against.html, but I don't like his reasoning.

But I also know that Devin McCourty isn't going to rush the passer. He isn't going to make things easier on Tom Brady on offense. He isn't going to help the depth problems on the defensive line. And that -- and not the player himself -- is the problem here.

It seems a little early to judge the Pats for not selecting a DE, given that they have 3 picks in the 2nd round and the draft is very deep at that position.

He also writes:

That's without even mentioning that this is an indictment on their prior work at the position, where they've spent two second-round picks, a fourth-round pick and handed out a big contract in the last 24 months.

Which I think is ridiculous reasoning.  He's basically saying Whilhite and Wheatley haven't worked out, which I think is probably right... but isn't that *all the more reason* to select a CB?  If you're smart in running your organization, you realize when you've messed up, address the problem, and move on.

Breer ends with:

But with all their needs, this better be a home run for the Patriots. ... And the Colts just took Jerry Hughes. So there you go.

That just seems over the top to me.
I guess at the end of the day, Breer is trying to drive traffic to his site.

[nickagneta]

Albert Breer on boston.com really doesn't like the pick http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2010/04/nothing_against.html, but I don't like his reasoning.

But I also know that Devin McCourty isn't going to rush the passer. He isn't going to make things easier on Tom Brady on offense. He isn't going to help the depth problems on the defensive line. And that -- and not the player himself -- is the problem here.

It seems a little early to judge the Pats for not selecting a DE, given that they have 3 picks in the 2nd round and the draft is very deep at that position.

He also writes:

That's without even mentioning that this is an indictment on their prior work at the position, where they've spent two second-round picks, a fourth-round pick and handed out a big contract in the last 24 months.

Which I think is ridiculous reasoning.  He's basically saying Whilhite and Wheatley haven't worked out, which I think is probably right... but isn't that *all the more reason* to select a CB?  If you're smart in running your organization, you realize when you've messed up, address the problem, and move on.

Breer ends with:

But with all their needs, this better be a home run for the Patriots. ... And the Colts just took Jerry Hughes. So there you go.

That just seems over the top to me.
I guess at the end of the day, Breer is trying to drive traffic to his site.

Just finished reading the article and I agree 100% with you regarding this guy's waffling. Breer states on many occasions that McCourty could be an outstanding corner and special special teams player. He could have been the best player still available. He could have been the guy chosen at 22 and the Pats wouldn't have the third and fourth round picks that they now have.

He admits to all that.

Then bashes Belichick anyway basically because he doesn't subscribe to the best player available theory of drafting and does subscribe to the draft to fill need theory of drafting.

Belichick got great value coming back by adding a third rounder and moving up 6 spots in the 4th for dropping 5 spots late in the 1st round to select the player they thought was the best player still available. If you have a problem with the pick, and I kind of do, criticize it because you feel he isn't the best player available. Belichick is all about value for the talent and the spot. He takes the best player available that maximizes the value for the spot in which he is selecting.

Lately, this hasn't looked to good because he's been trading down to control costs of contracts while letting some obviously very talented players go to other teams to become future stars. His ability to judge the proper talent to select is either dwindling or perhaps has left to other teams as he has had an exodus of talented people leave to run and coach other NFL franchises.

Last year he traded down and missed out on Michael Oher, Vontae Davis, Clay Matthews and Rey Maualuga. He twice traded down this year and I think the fear is that yet again he may have let someone special slip through his hands.

Could Bryan Bulaga, Dez Bryant, Damaryius Thomas, Dan Williams, Kyle Wilson, Jahvid Best or Jared Odrick be better players that he should have taken? Most people felt they were just like last year most people felt the players I mentioned above were better players than Pat Chung. Time will tell.

[Chris]

Tebow to Denver? I don't know if I should be sad the Pats didn't get him or happy he went in the first. I'll just cry.

A 4th CB who got one whol INT last year in the first round while they have lots of other glaring needs for the Pats? Yep. Belichek is losing it.

The Pats play lots of Nickle and Dime defenses, and Wilhite and Weatley have not panned out so far.  While this may not be their biggest need, CB was definitely still a need. 

[Eja117]

Well I guess when you have no LBs or DLs then you have to play 6 DBs if that's the only talent you have.

I don't buy this whole best player available stuff. If you do that too much you end up with 8 pro bowl DBs and nobody else. I mean maybe Jimmy Claussen is the best player available, but there's a reason the Saints don't draft him in the 1rst round.

I think the kinds of things Belichek does is what happens when a coach assumes he'll be around forever.  Who does he think he is? Joe Paterno.


You just KNOW some team will panic and offer a 1rst next year and a 3rd this for our 2nd rounder and he's going to take it even though there's first rnd talent out there NOW. We need a LB yesteryear, not next year.

He's been doing this for years. Last year for example we skipped defensive rookies of the year, but hey we got Ron Brace and Pat Chung, right? In 2014 we'll have 7 first rnd picks. We'll have to go through years of mediocrity to get there, but hey, in Bill we trust, right?

It makes me think possibly he thinks the talent isn't so good so he'll trade away more picks when we need them badly.

Also look for Matt Slater to get cut, and maybe Springs or Terrance Wheatley (aNother wasted 2nd rounder). Just cause he got lucky with Brady in the 6th, and Moss in the 4th, and Edlemen in the 7th doesn't give him the right to be callous.

I'll forgive him if he NAILS the 2nd round picks, former guys like B Tate and Crable step up, McCourty turns out awesome and the guys he passed are busts. i don't want to watch J Best tear it up while Maroney mucks it up for years. We need 1rst rnd talent NOW. There is 1rst rnd talent out there. Make the fudging pick. Make the fudging pick.

I'm just starting to the Belichek knows he's not good at this anymore and is afraid to make the pick, so he trades down for more picks and more chances.

[Rondo2287]

I'm not liking this pick. I understand the CB pick just not the player. I liked Wilson but perhaps Bill is looking at the level of competition Wilson was playing to as compared to that of Wilson. Also, McCourty really stood out with his marks at the combine as well as his performance in a tough, tough conference over four years.

IBWT, I guess. Besides, I still think they got awesome value trading down twice. They started with

22, 44, 47, 53, 119 and then all those 6th and 7th rounders. They now have

27(McCourty), 44, 47, 53, 90, 113 and then all those 6th and 7th rounders. That's great value if they draft smart.

Haha all this trading makes me think Bill would dominate the CB Summer NBA drafts

[Eja117]

Apparently Kindle has a messed up knee that may require microfracture surgery. Well then pick him. I mean we waited two years for Crable and a year for Tyrone McKenzie so far. Plus Mayo missed a good handful of games last year. He'll fit right into the brittle linebackers Belichek keeps taking.

[nickagneta]

I believe in the best player available theory. It's just that recently, he hasn't been taking the best player available. He's been taking the best VALUE available for his team, or so he feels.

Personally, I really do not feel that McCourty was the best player available but Belichick wanted him and one of the obvious reasons is because this kid is a special teams beast. I want him drafting guys who will be beasts on downs 1 through 3 in the first round, not guys who will be beasts on 4th downs.

Second year in a row where I think Belichick has out smarted himself in the top of the draft.

[Eja117]

There's another reason it's a horrible pick. Let's say he turns out really good. Great. Then in 5 years he says "Now pay me".  Belichek responds "oooohhhh yeahhhhh. We really don't do that around here."

So the kid calls his agent, and the agent says "Don't worry. This happened to Asante too. We'll get you out of there"

and then we're right back where we started.

if you're going to draft a guy draft him. Don't rent him