Nocioni to Boston rumored by Marc Stein!

[KCattheStripe]

Just added to Stein's article:

UPDATE: Important clarification on Nocioni's contract. The final year, at $7.5 million, is a team option. So if the Celts decide to go ahead with a trade for Nocioni, they are absorbing only two extra guaranteed years after this season at $13.5 million as opposed to $21 million over three years. Which makes Nocioni's contract somewhat less daunting. Another smaller but nonetheless notable variable here: Dalembert has a 15-percent trade kicker in his contract.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/10741/the-next-big-trade-heres-a-three-team-possibility

Don't think it makes a hill of beans of a difference as Boston is in no hurry to do this deal in November.

What if they're worried about Pierce's knee? You can put Quis at the three, but then your back-up options are slim.

[Hoops]

Just added to Stein's article:

UPDATE: Important clarification on Nocioni's contract. The final year, at $7.5 million, is a team option. So if the Celts decide to go ahead with a trade for Nocioni, they are absorbing only two extra guaranteed years after this season at $13.5 million as opposed to $21 million over three years. Which makes Nocioni's contract somewhat less daunting. Another smaller but nonetheless notable variable here: Dalembert has a 15-percent trade kicker in his contract.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/10741/the-next-big-trade-heres-a-three-team-possibility

Don't think it makes a hill of beans of a difference as Boston is in no hurry to do this deal in November.

What if they're worried about Pierce's knee? You can put Quis at the three, but then your back-up options are slim.

I don't think there's any serious need to worry about Pierce's knee, but IF that became an issue, it would be bad. We saw what happened without KG last year. Though Pierce's impact is fundamentally different than KG's impact on the team, it's no less significant. If Pierce isn't healthy in the playoffs, we're in trouble. There, I said it.

[D Dub]

Maybe Sacramento would want Baby.  No way we shold trade scal when he will prolly sign for the vets min next year and is a great guy to have at the end of the bench.

TP, Fatjohn - you are exactly right.

Nocioni: 2 years / 13.5m
Scal:    2 years / 4m

Nocioni is better than Scal, but there is no way he is over 3x better than Scal.  Considering the minimal role Noc would have, he is only a minor upgrade over Brian.

[ssspence]

Maybe Sacramento would want Baby.  No way we shold trade scal when he will prolly sign for the vets min next year and is a great guy to have at the end of the bench.

TP, Fatjohn - you are exactly right.

Nocioni: 2 years / 13.5m
Scal:    2 years / 4m

Nocioni is better than Scal, but there is no way he is over 3x better than Scal.  Considering the minimal role Noc would have, he is only a minor upgrade over Brian.

Scal's deal expires this year.

[Cman]

Maybe Sacramento would want Baby.  No way we shold trade scal when he will prolly sign for the vets min next year and is a great guy to have at the end of the bench.

TP, Fatjohn - you are exactly right.

Nocioni: 2 years / 13.5m
Scal:    2 years / 4m

Nocioni is better than Scal, but there is no way he is over 3x better than Scal.  Considering the minimal role Noc would have, he is only a minor upgrade over Brian.

Scal's deal expires this year.

Ddub's idea is that Scal resigns, hence the "2 yrs".  He is trying to decide whether Noce is that much of an upgrade over Scal.  I think it is an interesting comparison, but the reality is that Noce is a much better player than Scal, imho.

[Cman]

Mike Gorman just told Tanguay the deal isn't happening.

Well, it may not be happening NOW but I don't think that rules it out for later in the year. If Walker and Giddens and Tony turn out to be total wastes of time this year and are good for nothing except as an expiring deal, maybe Danny has a change of mind come January or February.

Agreed.  There is no hurry for Boston to make a deal.

[ssspence]

I think if the C's pull the trigger on this, there is something potentially wrong with Pierce's knee. Also, I like that Sacramento has been looking for a shot blocker to put next to Thompson, First the Okafor rumor and now Dalembert. Why does Philly do this trade, if they need a two guard why not get one that can shoot?

Strictly to dump Delambert. They've been trying to get rid of him for years.

[D Dub]

Maybe Sacramento would want Baby.  No way we shold trade scal when he will prolly sign for the vets min next year and is a great guy to have at the end of the bench.

TP, Fatjohn - you are exactly right.

Nocioni: 2 years / 13.5m
Scal:    2 years / 4m

Nocioni is better than Scal, but there is no way he is over 3x better than Scal.  Considering the minimal role Noc would have, he is only a minor upgrade over Brian.

Scal's deal expires this year.

which is why we'd have the option of re-signing him the vet min of around 4m over 2 years. 

do you really think Nocioni is worth an additional 10m over the same time?

[D Dub]

Maybe Sacramento would want Baby.  No way we shold trade scal when he will prolly sign for the vets min next year and is a great guy to have at the end of the bench.

TP, Fatjohn - you are exactly right.

Nocioni: 2 years / 13.5m
Scal:    2 years / 4m

Nocioni is better than Scal, but there is no way he is over 3x better than Scal.  Considering the minimal role Noc would have, he is only a minor upgrade over Brian.

Scal's deal expires this year.

Ddub's idea is that Scal resigns, hence the "2 yrs".  He is trying to decide whether Noce is that much of an upgrade over Scal.  I think it is an interesting comparison, but the reality is that Noce is a much better player than Scal, imho.

thanks for clarifying that.

Much better 6th man, without doubt.

But is he that much better of an 8th 9th man?  Like 3x better?  I don't think so.

[nickagneta]

Maybe Sacramento would want Baby.  No way we shold trade scal when he will prolly sign for the vets min next year and is a great guy to have at the end of the bench.

TP, Fatjohn - you are exactly right.

Nocioni: 2 years / 13.5m
Scal:    2 years / 4m

Nocioni is better than Scal, but there is no way he is over 3x better than Scal.  Considering the minimal role Noc would have, he is only a minor upgrade over Brian.

Scal's deal expires this year.

which is why we'd have the option of re-signing him the vet min of around 4m over 2 years. 

do you really think Nocioni is worth an additional 10m over the same time?

Vet minimum contracts that Danny will use will never be of the two year variety. One year vet minimum contracts are subsidized by the league and two year contracts are not, so Danny would never sign Scal to a two year contract at the vet minimum when he can get the league to pay for part of Scal's contract if it is a one year deal.

Also, either way, Scal is free at the end of the year so the C's could trade for Nocioni if they want and STILL re-sign Scal to a vet minimum contract for a year. Would they be redundant, maybe, but we also don't know where Ray, Marquis, and Williams will end up.

[clover]

Since Wallace was signed, Pierce and the Rondo have been the two players that were either to go down would end the C's season.  If they do the Nocioni deal, they'd be down to only having Rondo be indispensable.

[D Dub]

Maybe Sacramento would want Baby.  No way we shold trade scal when he will prolly sign for the vets min next year and is a great guy to have at the end of the bench.

TP, Fatjohn - you are exactly right.

Nocioni: 2 years / 13.5m
Scal:    2 years / 4m

Nocioni is better than Scal, but there is no way he is over 3x better than Scal.  Considering the minimal role Noc would have, he is only a minor upgrade over Brian.

Scal's deal expires this year.

which is why we'd have the option of re-signing him the vet min of around 4m over 2 years. 

do you really think Nocioni is worth an additional 10m over the same time?

Vet minimum contracts that Danny will use will never be of the two year variety. One year vet minimum contracts are subsidized by the league and two year contracts are not, so Danny would never sign Scal to a two year contract at the vet minimum when he can get the league to pay for part of Scal's contract if it is a one year deal.

Also, either way, Scal is free at the end of the year so the C's could trade for Nocioni if they want and STILL re-sign Scal to a vet minimum contract for a year. Would they be redundant, maybe, but we also don't know where Ray, Marquis, and Williams will end up.

any way you look at it, Noc will cost us roughly 3x as much as Scal.

is he 3x better? 

[mgent]

Maybe Sacramento would want Baby.  No way we shold trade scal when he will prolly sign for the vets min next year and is a great guy to have at the end of the bench.

TP, Fatjohn - you are exactly right.

Nocioni: 2 years / 13.5m
Scal:    2 years / 4m

Nocioni is better than Scal, but there is no way he is over 3x better than Scal.  Considering the minimal role Noc would have, he is only a minor upgrade over Brian.

Scal's deal expires this year.

which is why we'd have the option of re-signing him the vet min of around 4m over 2 years. 

do you really think Nocioni is worth an additional 10m over the same time?

Vet minimum contracts that Danny will use will never be of the two year variety. One year vet minimum contracts are subsidized by the league and two year contracts are not, so Danny would never sign Scal to a two year contract at the vet minimum when he can get the league to pay for part of Scal's contract if it is a one year deal.

Also, either way, Scal is free at the end of the year so the C's could trade for Nocioni if they want and STILL re-sign Scal to a vet minimum contract for a year. Would they be redundant, maybe, but we also don't know where Ray, Marquis, and Williams will end up.

any way you look at it, Noc will cost us roughly 3x as much as Scal.

is he 3x better? 

I don't think it matters.  The point is he's better.  Talent is worth more than money in sports.

[footey]

Don't do the deal. We need to save our expiring chips for more value, an athletic 2 or 3 whose contract needs to be dumped, like Maggette.  Our lack of athleticism needs to be addressed.  Rondo's ability to run a fast break better than anyone in the league is a wasted asset without an athletic partner.

[FatjohnReturns]

Ive been reading the blog for a couple years and Brian Scalabrine is prolly the most underappreicated player in the history of Celticsblog. it never ceases to amaze me how little respect this guy gets. He never complains. goes in anytime he is needed and performs to the best of his ability. If that isnt ubuntu than what is? How quickly ppl forget his contribution last year in the Orlando series coming off what his 3rd concussion of the season. Do ppl really believe Nocioni is a better fit for this team than Scal?