Nocioni to Boston rumored by Marc Stein!

[Eja117]

I was looking for Molly Shannon, but I think this might be funnier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89BTNU8Cqsk

[winsomme]

But we'll only have the MLE and Vet Min deals, correct? The Celts don't have Bird Rights on Eddie, Sheldon or Marquis, i believe.

So that more than anything will limited what we can spend...

We'll have Eddie's Bird rights.  We can give Shelden 120% of the minimum salary, and we can give Daniels a 20% raise over his current deal.  If we want to sign Shelden or Daniels to more than that, we'd have to dip into the MLE.

OK. Considering this dollars will be tight, so we should use our expirings for a player this year. I question whether Noce should be that guy. He's definitely lost a step, and he not nimble enough to play the 3. What do we need another 4 for?

I think we need a younger wing scorer...

mmmm, not sure i would say that he can't play the three any more. he has had some nagging health problems that could turn out to be a bummer, but he still has a pretty good first step for a three. he's never been a great defender, but he plays super hard.

I don't know. There are reasons not to spend that money on him, but i don't think him not being able to play the three any more is one of them....especially on the Cs where it would be a reserve swing role.

I wouldn't want him as my starting SF, but coming off the bench for shorter minutes, I think he can still pull that off.

[Fafnir]

I think he'd be a valuable player, but I'd worry about keeping Ray after his year.

But what the hell, this is probably our best shot with our current team. Might as well go all in and go for it. He'd be a better contributor than Scal that is for sure.

Though I'd prefer to keep Tony around, we're light at the 2 at the moment.

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But we'll only have the MLE and Vet Min deals, correct? The Celts don't have Bird Rights on Eddie, Sheldon or Marquis, i believe.

So that more than anything will limited what we can spend...

We'll have Eddie's Bird rights.  We can give Shelden 120% of the minimum salary, and we can give Daniels a 20% raise over his current deal.  If we want to sign Shelden or Daniels to more than that, we'd have to dip into the MLE.

OK. Considering this dollars will be tight, so we should use our expirings for a player this year. I question whether Noce should be that guy. He's definitely lost a step, and he not nimble enough to play the 3. What do we need another 4 for?

I think we need a younger wing scorer...

mmmm, not sure i would say that he can't play the three any more. he has had some nagging health problems that could turn out to be a bummer, but he still has a pretty good first step for a three. he's never been a great defender, but he plays super hard.

I don't know. There are reasons not to spend that money on him, but i don't think him not being able to play the three any more is one of them....especially on the Cs where it would be a reserve swing role.

I wouldn't want him as my starting SF, but coming off the bench for shorter minutes, I think he can still pull that off.

i commented on this in your other post as well. I've watched him play in a Kings uni a few times this year and last. guys blow straight by him on the wing. seriously -- straight by the guy. i've seen westphal using him more in small ball line-ups with thompson or hawes but not often both.

[Cman]

I question whether Noce should be that guy. He's definitely lost a step, and he not nimble enough to play the 3. What do we need another 4 for?

I think we need a younger wing scorer...

I haven't watched enough any of Sacramento's games to know how Nocioni's game has changed.  I did like him as a Bull, and that was half a season ago, I think.  He brings toughness and intensity, and I imagine he is the type of player that will play even better on a contender.  The downside is that his contract is poor (but its not terrible).  

Sidebar: the Cs will have extra roster spots available if such a deal went down -- what's the over/under on another "bring back Gerald Green" thread being started?

[Tw1x990]

I love this trade for the Celtics and the Kings... I love when my two NBA teams help each other out.

Nocioni is a great fit on this roster. He is a tough player obviously, but he is also a pretty good 3pt shooter. He can really do it all, and Im confident that whatever role Doc asks him to do he'll do it and do it well. He'll deffinetly help Pierce on defense giving him a break from the Lebrons of the NBA. He is getting up there in age, but at this point it hasnt shown, and he isnt a player that relies on his athleticism, so I dont think the length of his contract will be too big a problem. Cant express it enough how good of a fit he is with the celtics.

From the Kings POV, they have 'shocked' the nba world so far this year being over .500 ... they realy need a guy like Dalembert. And I'd love to see Giddens get some PT, something he just might get in sacramento.  

[Fafnir]

But we'll only have the MLE and Vet Min deals, correct? The Celts don't have Bird Rights on Eddie, Sheldon or Marquis, i believe.

So that more than anything will limited what we can spend...

We'll have Eddie's Bird rights.  We can give Shelden 120% of the minimum salary, and we can give Daniels a 20% raise over his current deal.  If we want to sign Shelden or Daniels to more than that, we'd have to dip into the MLE.

OK. Considering this dollars will be tight, so we should use our expirings for a player this year. I question whether Noce should be that guy. He's definitely lost a step, and he not nimble enough to play the 3. What do we need another 4 for?

I think we need a younger wing scorer...

mmmm, not sure i would say that he can't play the three any more. he has had some nagging health problems that could turn out to be a bummer, but he still has a pretty good first step for a three. he's never been a great defender, but he plays super hard.

I don't know. There are reasons not to spend that money on him, but i don't think him not being able to play the three any more is one of them....especially on the Cs where it would be a reserve swing role.

I wouldn't want him as my starting SF, but coming off the bench for shorter minutes, I think he can still pull that off.

i commented on this in your other post as well. I've watched him play in a Kings uni a few times this year and last. guys blow straight by him on the wing. seriously -- straight by the guy. i've seen westphal using him more in small ball line-ups with thompson or hawes but not often both.

So about the same as Scal? That's a lot of extra money if that is the case.

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question for the group here: assuming his rehap is going well would you rather have francisco garcia in this deal?

[Who]

I too think that Nocioni's defense has dropped over the past two seasons. He doesn't defend the perimeter as well as he once did. Struggles against quickness.

[footey]

Nocioni was good 2-3 years ago. The last two years I saw slippage, especially in his offensive outside game.  What are his stats like of late?

[ssspence]

But we'll only have the MLE and Vet Min deals, correct? The Celts don't have Bird Rights on Eddie, Sheldon or Marquis, i believe.

So that more than anything will limited what we can spend...

We'll have Eddie's Bird rights.  We can give Shelden 120% of the minimum salary, and we can give Daniels a 20% raise over his current deal.  If we want to sign Shelden or Daniels to more than that, we'd have to dip into the MLE.

OK. Considering this dollars will be tight, so we should use our expirings for a player this year. I question whether Noce should be that guy. He's definitely lost a step, and he not nimble enough to play the 3. What do we need another 4 for?

I think we need a younger wing scorer...

mmmm, not sure i would say that he can't play the three any more. he has had some nagging health problems that could turn out to be a bummer, but he still has a pretty good first step for a three. he's never been a great defender, but he plays super hard.

I don't know. There are reasons not to spend that money on him, but i don't think him not being able to play the three any more is one of them....especially on the Cs where it would be a reserve swing role.

I wouldn't want him as my starting SF, but coming off the bench for shorter minutes, I think he can still pull that off.

i commented on this in your other post as well. I've watched him play in a Kings uni a few times this year and last. guys blow straight by him on the wing. seriously -- straight by the guy. i've seen westphal using him more in small ball line-ups with thompson or hawes but not often both.

So about the same as Scal? That's a lot of extra money if that is the case.

Scal is a better defender and already knows the system. Noce is a better offensive player, but tends to put his head down and doesn't pass very well. Not sure that's what we need, and certainly not for 3 years at 7.5 > 6.5mil. I mentioned this above, but I wonder about Garcia instead.

[winsomme]

But we'll only have the MLE and Vet Min deals, correct? The Celts don't have Bird Rights on Eddie, Sheldon or Marquis, i believe.

So that more than anything will limited what we can spend...

We'll have Eddie's Bird rights.  We can give Shelden 120% of the minimum salary, and we can give Daniels a 20% raise over his current deal.  If we want to sign Shelden or Daniels to more than that, we'd have to dip into the MLE.

OK. Considering this dollars will be tight, so we should use our expirings for a player this year. I question whether Noce should be that guy. He's definitely lost a step, and he not nimble enough to play the 3. What do we need another 4 for?

I think we need a younger wing scorer...

mmmm, not sure i would say that he can't play the three any more. he has had some nagging health problems that could turn out to be a bummer, but he still has a pretty good first step for a three. he's never been a great defender, but he plays super hard.

I don't know. There are reasons not to spend that money on him, but i don't think him not being able to play the three any more is one of them....especially on the Cs where it would be a reserve swing role.

I wouldn't want him as my starting SF, but coming off the bench for shorter minutes, I think he can still pull that off.

i commented on this in your other post as well. I've watched him play in a Kings uni a few times this year and last. guys blow straight by him on the wing. seriously -- straight by the guy. i've seen westphal using him more in small ball line-ups with thompson or hawes but not often both.

okay, i'll give you that. I was talking more on the offensive end in terms of being able to play SF.

his defense has always been shaky, so i don't know if i would be expecting a big defensive contribution from him now or ever really and that is why i would prefer Pose to Nocioni if that  was even a real choice and not just one we are speculating about here.

[wdleehi]

Can he still be effective as a SF?


Because there is no need for him at PF where KG, Wallace, Davis and Williams all can play and play well. 




I am not a big fan of this idea.  For the amount of minutes he may play, I think Scali can do close enough of the job. 

[ssspence]

But we'll only have the MLE and Vet Min deals, correct? The Celts don't have Bird Rights on Eddie, Sheldon or Marquis, i believe.

So that more than anything will limited what we can spend...

We'll have Eddie's Bird rights.  We can give Shelden 120% of the minimum salary, and we can give Daniels a 20% raise over his current deal.  If we want to sign Shelden or Daniels to more than that, we'd have to dip into the MLE.

OK. Considering this dollars will be tight, so we should use our expirings for a player this year. I question whether Noce should be that guy. He's definitely lost a step, and he not nimble enough to play the 3. What do we need another 4 for?

I think we need a younger wing scorer...

mmmm, not sure i would say that he can't play the three any more. he has had some nagging health problems that could turn out to be a bummer, but he still has a pretty good first step for a three. he's never been a great defender, but he plays super hard.

I don't know. There are reasons not to spend that money on him, but i don't think him not being able to play the three any more is one of them....especially on the Cs where it would be a reserve swing role.

I wouldn't want him as my starting SF, but coming off the bench for shorter minutes, I think he can still pull that off.

i commented on this in your other post as well. I've watched him play in a Kings uni a few times this year and last. guys blow straight by him on the wing. seriously -- straight by the guy. i've seen westphal using him more in small ball line-ups with thompson or hawes but not often both.

okay, i'll give you that. I was talking more on the offensive end in terms of being able to play SF.

his defense has always been shaky, so i don't know if i would be expecting a big defensive contribution from him now or ever really and that is why i would prefer Pose to Nocioni if that  was even a real choice and not just one we are speculating about here.

got it. i think it is a real choice. but keep in mind that both are completely available for a reason -- they're overpaid and their games have not matched the production they had shown a couple of years ago. i just don't see what either adds.

[Who]

Can he still be effective as a SF?

Nocioni is an above average offensive player + rebounder for the position. I think he adds more in those two categories than he costs you defensively.

That said, I think there's a good chance that you can get better bang for your buck in free agency next year or the year-thereafter.