Nocioni to Boston rumored by Marc Stein!

[wdleehi]

Can he still be effective as a SF?

Nocioni is an above average offensive player + rebounder for the position. I think he adds more in those two categories than he costs you defensively.

That said, I think there's a good chance that you can get better bang for your buck in free agency next year or the year-thereafter.

I think you can get more bang for your buck in a trade as the season progresses. 

[greenwise]

There is an article about it on TrueHoop :

There is some hope, according to NBA front-office sources, for a three-way deal that is currently in the exploratory-discussion phase.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Philadelphia 76ers and Sacramento Kings, in considering the feasibility of a Samuel Dalembert-for-Kenny Thomas swap, have discussed expanding that concept with Boston by trying to draw in the Celtics on a potential three-way deal that would land Andres Nocioni with the Celts.

Sources further stressed over the past 48 hours that this should be classified as an ongoing conversation as the teams involved decide how much they like what’s on the table.

But the full deal as it stands, if it eventually gets that far, would send Nocioni to Boston, Kenny Thomas, Tony Allen and Brian Scalabrine to Philadelphia and Dalembert and J.R. Giddens to Sacramento.

Taking the teams one by one:

*Boston has had interest in Nocioni from the minute Sacramento acquired him in February in the deal that dispatched Brad Miller and John Salmons to Chicago. That said, Boston has also been hesitant since February about acting upon that interest because Nocioni has three years and more than $20 years left on his contract after this season. That’s a lot of long-term cash for the Celts to take on -- even if Nocioni turned out to be a James Posey-style Mr. Versatile for them -- after they just signed Rajon Rondo to a lucrative extension and with decisions about the futures of Paul Pierce and Ray Allen looming. So Boston pulling out because of financial concerns likely ranks as the biggest impediment to this deal.

*Philadelphia’s determination to trade away Dalembert’s contract is a months-old story, which would appear to make Philly the most eager of the three teams to get this done. Thomas, Allen and Scalabrine are all on expiring contracts. Dalembert is making $12 million this season and is scheduled to earn nearly $13 million next season. The Sixers, frankly, don’t care who comes back in a Dalembert swap as long as their contracts drop off the payroll at season’s end.

*The Kings have interest in securing another big man to join Spencer Hawes and the fast-developing Jason Thompson in their frontcourt rotation and have pondered the merits of gambling on Dalembert for some time. And trading for Philly’s out-of-favor center certainly makes more sense than a deal for New Orleans’ Emeka Okafor, who has four years and nearly $40 million left on his contract through the 2013-14 season. It’s believed that Sacramento, even if these three-way talks go no further, will continue to field offers for Nocioni, given the Kings’ desire to have cap space in the summer of 2011 and the promising early development of rookie Omri Casspi.

More forthcoming as we get it.

TP for bringing the news

I would love this deal. We get Nocioni and get rid of TA and JR. I hope this rumor has some legs

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Can he still be effective as a SF?

Nocioni is an above average offensive player + rebounder for the position. I think he adds more in those two categories than he costs you defensively.

That said, I think there's a good chance that you can get better bang for your buck in free agency next year or the year-thereafter.

I think you can get more bang for your buck in a trade as the season progresses. 

I agree. I think the Celtics are going to have a very hard time using FA to add player between now and the end of KGs contract. They need to use the expiring deals they have wisely to get a talented YOUNG role player that can grow, not an older player who will be in decline over his deal.

[Who]

Can he still be effective as a SF?

Nocioni is an above average offensive player + rebounder for the position. I think he adds more in those two categories than he costs you defensively.

That said, I think there's a good chance that you can get better bang for your buck in free agency next year or the year-thereafter.

I think you can get more bang for your buck in a trade as the season progresses. 

Good point, agreed.

[Evantime34]

Can he still be effective as a SF?

Nocioni is an above average offensive player + rebounder for the position. I think he adds more in those two categories than he costs you defensively.

That said, I think there's a good chance that you can get better bang for your buck in free agency next year or the year-thereafter.

I think you can get more bang for your buck in a trade as the season progresses. 

Give me another option, from a team with an overpaid role player that needs cap relief. The only other guy I can think of that would help us is Maggette, but he makes way more money than Nocionni does.
Also if we do a 3-1 do you see us suiting up Lue and bringing back Sweetney or signing someone else?

[Casperian]

Can he still be effective as a SF?

Nocioni is an above average offensive player + rebounder for the position. I think he adds more in those two categories than he costs you defensively.

That said, I think there's a good chance that you can get better bang for your buck in free agency next year or the year-thereafter.

I think you can get more bang for your buck in a trade as the season progresses. 

Good point, agreed.

Apparently, the Celtics are looking to fill a need this season.

Who else is an option?

The question is not what kind of deal we can get next year, it´s how much can we get for our dead values (read: Scal, TA, GIddens) this year.

[wdleehi]

Can he still be effective as a SF?

Nocioni is an above average offensive player + rebounder for the position. I think he adds more in those two categories than he costs you defensively.

That said, I think there's a good chance that you can get better bang for your buck in free agency next year or the year-thereafter.

I think you can get more bang for your buck in a trade as the season progresses. 

Give me another option, from a team with an overpaid role player that needs cap relief. The only other guy I can think of that would help us is Maggette, but he makes way more money than Nocionni does.
Also if we do a 3-1 do you see us suiting up Lue and bringing back Sweetney or signing someone else?

I do not know who will be available later this season.  Therefor, I do not know what kind of contract value will be out there later.

I do know that Noccioni is not needed to play PF on the Celtics.  I do know his defense at SF isn't great.  For what the Celtics need him to do for the small amount of minutes, is he really a major upgrade over Scali?

Throw in the bad contract and lack of need at that position; is this really the player the Celtics should push all their trade chips in on?

[wdleehi]

Can he still be effective as a SF?

Nocioni is an above average offensive player + rebounder for the position. I think he adds more in those two categories than he costs you defensively.

That said, I think there's a good chance that you can get better bang for your buck in free agency next year or the year-thereafter.

I think you can get more bang for your buck in a trade as the season progresses. 

Good point, agreed.

Apparently, the Celtics are looking to fill a need this season.

Who else is an option?

The question is not what kind of deal we can get next year, it´s how much can we get for our dead values (read: Scal, TA, GIddens) this year.

Just because you can get a player that would have been a great fit last year doesn't mean you should jump to get him now. 

And it is not like he is going anywhere fast.  Chances are, he will still be available later in the season.

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Can he still be effective as a SF?

Nocioni is an above average offensive player + rebounder for the position. I think he adds more in those two categories than he costs you defensively.

That said, I think there's a good chance that you can get better bang for your buck in free agency next year or the year-thereafter.

I think you can get more bang for your buck in a trade as the season progresses. 

Give me another option, from a team with an overpaid role player that needs cap relief. The only other guy I can think of that would help us is Maggette, but he makes way more money than Nocionni does.
Also if we do a 3-1 do you see us suiting up Lue and bringing back Sweetney or signing someone else?

Maggette's an interesting possibility, but his contract is also too long. I raised the idea of Francisco Garcia -- he'll be back in a couple of months and he's a good player, while -- yes -- overpaid.

But you also have to keep in mind overpaid guys who stink but play next to talented players teams may decide to part with in order to shed that salary. 

[Casperian]

Can he still be effective as a SF?

Nocioni is an above average offensive player + rebounder for the position. I think he adds more in those two categories than he costs you defensively.

That said, I think there's a good chance that you can get better bang for your buck in free agency next year or the year-thereafter.

I think you can get more bang for your buck in a trade as the season progresses. 

Good point, agreed.

Apparently, the Celtics are looking to fill a need this season.

Who else is an option?

The question is not what kind of deal we can get next year, it´s how much can we get for our dead values (read: Scal, TA, GIddens) this year.

Just because you can get a player that would have been a great fit last year doesn't mean you should jump to get him now. 

And it is not like he is going anywhere fast.  Chances are, he will still be available later in the season.

I don´t disagree with that.
I don´t see any other team with interest in Nocioni´s combination of skill and contract, so we have time. But do the Kings and 76ers have that time? Can we be sure to get a better deal for our scrub package?

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Can he still be effective as a SF?

Nocioni is an above average offensive player + rebounder for the position. I think he adds more in those two categories than he costs you defensively.

That said, I think there's a good chance that you can get better bang for your buck in free agency next year or the year-thereafter.

I think you can get more bang for your buck in a trade as the season progresses. 

Good point, agreed.

Apparently, the Celtics are looking to fill a need this season.

Who else is an option?

The question is not what kind of deal we can get next year, it´s how much can we get for our dead values (read: Scal, TA, GIddens) this year.

Just because you can get a player that would have been a great fit last year doesn't mean you should jump to get him now. 

And it is not like he is going anywhere fast.  Chances are, he will still be available later in the season.

I don´t disagree with that.
I don´t see any other team with interest in Nocioni´s combination of skill and contract, so we have time. But do the Kings and 76ers have that time? Can we be sure to get a better deal for our scrub package?

Here are some examples of using the expiring contracts down the line this year –

Big Fish who could ask out where we’re going to need these contracts:

Chris Paul (it’s getting ugly down there – if we took some combination of Peja, Okefor, Posey, Peterson and sent back Rajon, Baby, Ray and expirings we’d be seriously in the hunt fore the guy if he asks out).

A few guys who could be available before the deadline:

Gerald Wallace
Tayshon Prince
Mike Dunleavy
James Jones
Antawn Jamison
Caron Butler
Francisco Garcia
Corey Maggette
Monta Ellis
Raja Bell
Marcus Camby
Ryan Gomes
Ramon Sessions
Leandro Barbosa
Andre Miller
Travis Outlaw
Martell Webster
Carlos Boozer
Andrei Kirilenko (would the Jazz trade Boozer and AK for Ray and our expirings?)
Luke Walton
Dan Gadzuric (get a young player from the Bucks)
Jared Jeffries (pick ANYONE on the Knicks roster if you take this guy)
Eddie Curry (pick ANYONE on the Knicks roster if you take this guy – seriously, would they trade Gallinari to be rid of his deal?)
Mo Peterson (get Julian Wright)
James Posey (get Julian Wright)

Guy who I’d rather sign than trade for Noce or Posey now:

Jerry Stackhouse

[indeedproceed]

How much more does Nocioni bring than Scal?

I mean I know he's better, but how much?

[Kwhit10]

How much more does Nocioni bring than Scal?

I mean I know he's better, but how much?

I was thinking the same thing, I'm not completely sold on this yet.

[KCattheStripe]

I think if the C's pull the trigger on this, there is something potentially wrong with Pierce's knee. Also, I like that Sacramento has been looking for a shot blocker to put next to Thompson, First the Okafor rumor and now Dalembert. Why does Philly do this trade, if they need a two guard why not get one that can shoot?

[laverdad34]

How much more does Nocioni bring than Scal?

I mean I know he's better, but how much?

I was thinking the same thing, I'm not completely sold on this yet.

Well...If Scal ANYDAY do this...just tell me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flmURWz5X10&feature=related

And this: Do you know who is #10??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD2JXzrxyB4&feature=related