Suggestions to changing next year's CB NBA Draft to make it better.

[Rondo2287]

So Im sorry that I lessened your enjoyment of the game Jgod.  That wasnt my intention.

And for the Record, I was only warned once.  So the part about being warned several times simply isnt accurate. 

[Kwhit10]

3) There were very few absentee problems.  The Minnesota one was a problem from the outset but I had established the "two missed pick" rule so I gave the original owner the benefit of the doubt.  I know some posters had preferred an evening session but the times were voted on by the owners and they elected for morning and afternoon sessions.  Some of the absenteeism could be chalked up to CBers at work and unable to draft.  Due to workload, I didn't want people PMing lists because that would've resulted in an added headache that I didn't want. 

I'll look back and discuss any big items that I may have missed but I wanted to address these 3 big ones.

Don this could be where a non mod commish comes into play.  Have the non mod commish receive lists from GMs who will be unavailable and they will do the selecting from the lists.  They won't need mod powers to place a post saying who drafts who and they could take care of that part.

[Rondo2287]

3) There were very few absentee problems.  The Minnesota one was a problem from the outset but I had established the "two missed pick" rule so I gave the original owner the benefit of the doubt.  I know some posters had preferred an evening session but the times were voted on by the owners and they elected for morning and afternoon sessions.  Some of the absenteeism could be chalked up to CBers at work and unable to draft.  Due to workload, I didn't want people PMing lists because that would've resulted in an added headache that I didn't want. 

I'll look back and discuss any big items that I may have missed but I wanted to address these 3 big ones.

Don this could be where a non mod commish comes into play.  Have the non mod commish receive lists from GMs who will be unavailable and they will do the selecting from the lists.  They won't need mod powers to place a post saying who drafts who and they could take care of that part.

Ya maybe having an Assitant Commish would be a good idea.  Because it is alot of work for one person

[Roy Hobbs]

3) There were very few absentee problems.  The Minnesota one was a problem from the outset but I had established the "two missed pick" rule so I gave the original owner the benefit of the doubt.  I know some posters had preferred an evening session but the times were voted on by the owners and they elected for morning and afternoon sessions.  Some of the absenteeism could be chalked up to CBers at work and unable to draft.  Due to workload, I didn't want people PMing lists because that would've resulted in an added headache that I didn't want. 

I'll look back and discuss any big items that I may have missed but I wanted to address these 3 big ones.

Don this could be where a non mod commish comes into play.  Have the non mod commish receive lists from GMs who will be unavailable and they will do the selecting from the lists.  They won't need mod powers to place a post saying who drafts who and they could take care of that part.

That's a good suggestion, too.  The only problem with lists, of course, is that it requires somebody to be on-site during every minute of the draft, essentially.  However, if there was somebody reliable who could do it who wasn't a participant in the draft, it would assuage people's fears of sharing their lists with a competitor.

[jgod213]

So Im sorry that I lessened your enjoyment of the game Jgod.  That wasnt my intention.

And for the Record, I was only warned once.  So the part about being warned several times simply isnt accurate. 

Rondo, i still had a blast so it's no big deal.  i thought that i had read at one point that both Dons and Roy had made public warnings, but i could be wrong.  I just think that some people take this stuff a little too personal/serious, after all we're all just diehard celtics fans, haha.  It seemed like some of the arguements/banter between parties began to highjack other threads/posts/discussions, which isn't fair to other GMs.  Overall though you guys were always proposing trades and stayed extremely active, which i commend you both for.

[Gainesville Celtic]

Another great transition - that brings me to my final thought.  Perhaps every GM should establish an official "assistant."  Ideally they would be members of CB, too.  This would allow every GM to have a safety net if they "get caught in traffic" or whatever; it also helps with the "integrity of the game" idea - basically if a GM needs to be booted, his understudy/assistant would be ready to take over the team immediately.

I think this is a great idea, but I'm not sure if there would be enough interest.  This year, we had something like 32 people participating (30 GMs, plus two assistant GMs at the end).  It might be tough to get 60 people.

Also --- and Roy may confirm/contradict this --- having an asst. GM makes more work if you're gonna do it right.

I *LOVED* working with Lucky17 this year and our team was better for it, but we consulted on each pick with lists back and forth.... probably exchanged 100-200 PMs throughout the draft + several hours in the chat with just each other. It was fun too to discuss guys & their fit with our team, but it was more work IMO.

Last year the only conversation/consultation was with the devil on my right shoulder and the angel on my left telling me to or not to trade for Iverson.... and then trade him again.

I suppose you could have an asst. who's just there for when you're busy, but what's the fun in that for them?

[Roy Hobbs]

I agree that some of the bickering was probably over the top, and I was involved in a couple episodes myself.  The first one was a misunderstanding, but I apologize to the extent that it was a distraction / lessened the enjoyment for others. 

Regarding the second episode, it's very difficult to stay tight-lipped when another GM is reportedly bashing / sabotaging you behind your back, as I think we all have a right to defend our teams fairly.  That being said, perhaps it could have been handled a different way.

[Roy Hobbs]

Another great transition - that brings me to my final thought.  Perhaps every GM should establish an official "assistant."  Ideally they would be members of CB, too.  This would allow every GM to have a safety net if they "get caught in traffic" or whatever; it also helps with the "integrity of the game" idea - basically if a GM needs to be booted, his understudy/assistant would be ready to take over the team immediately.

I think this is a great idea, but I'm not sure if there would be enough interest.  This year, we had something like 32 people participating (30 GMs, plus two assistant GMs at the end).  It might be tough to get 60 people.

Also --- and Roy may confirm/contradict this --- having an asst. GM makes more work if you're gonna do it right.

I *LOVED* working with Lucky17 this year and our team was better for it, but we consulted on each pick with lists back and forth.... probably exchanged 100-200 PMs throughout the draft + several hours in the chat with just each other. It was fun too to discuss guys & their fit with our team, but it was more work IMO.

Last year the only conversation/consultation was with the devil on my right shoulder and the angel on my left telling me to or not to trade for Iverson.... and then trade him again.

I suppose you could have an asst. who's just there for when you're busy, but what's the fun in that for them?

Yeah, Edgar and I had similar experiences.  We'd try to reach a consensus on each pick.  The problem comes when folks just don't agree on a pick.  That really only happened once or twice for us; Edgar indulged me on Jrue Holiday, and I talked him into Jared Dudley a bit. 

Having an assistant GM is very helpful, though.  For instance, I'd totally overlooked Brad Miller, until Edgar suggested him.  Delonte and Gomes were really pushed by Edgar, and both are great fits on our team.

[JSD]

Coaching can have a huge impact on one's team. Personally, I didn't like the fact that my coaching staff's were first come first serve. I say we draft or inherit coaches next year.

[Roy Hobbs]

Coaching can have a huge impact on one's team. Personally, I didn't like the fact that my coaching staff's were first come first serve. I say we draft or inherit coaches next year.

Personally, I disregard coaches in the voting.  I think they're more of a fun aside than anything else, which is why Norman Dale has coached my team three years in a row.

[Rondo2287]

So Im sorry that I lessened your enjoyment of the game Jgod.  That wasnt my intention.

And for the Record, I was only warned once.  So the part about being warned several times simply isnt accurate. 

Rondo, i still had a blast so it's no big deal.  i thought that i had read at one point that both Dons and Roy had made public warnings, but i could be wrong.  I just think that some people take this stuff a little too personal/serious, after all we're all just diehard celtics fans, haha.  It seemed like some of the arguements/banter between parties began to highjack other threads/posts/discussions, which isn't fair to other GMs.  Overall though you guys were always proposing trades and stayed extremely active, which i commend you both for.

Im sorry about hijacking threads, but I mean a good portion of this for me is to distract myself from the work day.  I remember there were a bunch of times where I would preface the long arguments with, Im saying something controversial to get people talking, Because the thread was dead that day.

 And while its not fair to other GM's I always took the time to comment on other peoples stuff when they asked and if there were other discussions I would join them.  But I think no matter what there will always be some GM's that are more vocal and lead the discussion, which I don't think is a problem as long as 1) They can step back and say this is a game and 2) dont just focus on their own team but are willing to provide insight into other teams.  

[Donoghus]

Some of the bickering was in good nature.

However, I really didn't like the bickering that hijacked non-relevant threads and carried on between two or three threads at a time.  That was ridiculous, IMO. 

Was there really a need to carry on an argument between two East teams in a West press conference?

[Rondo2287]

Some of the bickering was in good nature.

However, I really didn't like the bickering that hijacked non-relevant threads and carried on between two or three threads at a time.  That was ridiculous, IMO. 

Was there really a need to carry on an argument between two East teams in a West press conference?

I dont remember the situation you are talking about, but does it matter what they are talking about?  Like would it be ok if two east teams are arguing about west teams in a west press conference?  Or would you like those teams to take a back seat and let the west people control the convo in the press conference. 

(Honest question not trying to be difficult.)

[ChampKind]

Some of the bickering was in good nature.

However, I really didn't like the bickering that hijacked non-relevant threads and carried on between two or three threads at a time.  That was ridiculous, IMO. 

Was there really a need to carry on an argument between two East teams in a West press conference?

I dont remember the situation you are talking about, but does it matter what they are talking about?  Like would it be ok if two east teams are arguing about west teams in a west press conference?  Or would you like those teams to take a back seat and let the west people control the convo in the press conference. 

(Honest question not trying to be difficult.)

I think that the issue is that 2 east teams are arguing with each other over their teams during the west's press conference.  Sort of a stealing their thunder type debate.

[Donoghus]

Some of the bickering was in good nature.

However, I really didn't like the bickering that hijacked non-relevant threads and carried on between two or three threads at a time.  That was ridiculous, IMO. 

Was there really a need to carry on an argument between two East teams in a West press conference?

I dont remember the situation you are talking about, but does it matter what they are talking about?  Like would it be ok if two east teams are arguing about west teams in a west press conference?  Or would you like those teams to take a back seat and let the west people control the convo in the press conference. 

(Honest question not trying to be difficult.)

I think that the issue is that 2 east teams are arguing with each other over their teams during the west's press conference.  Sort of a stealing their thunder type debate.

Exactly.