2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[Donoghus]

Has the voting interest seemed to dissipate in past years like it appears it is this year? or is this about what it always is?

We always seem to lose people.  We still have a decent chunk participating.  Interest definitely wanes, though.

[Edgar]

Has the voting interest seemed to dissipate in past years like it appears it is this year? or is this about what it always is?

mostly GM votes
most people really doesnt have the time to study all rosters
and its a little difficult to make a choice
from nothing
hopefully on final rounds the vote will be more active

I will try to loby for it
be sure of that
of course that can hurt me more than help because of me
but i do everything for the love of the game

 

[johnnyrondo]

Toronto in 3

We'll let the next Bulls GM argue their cause

Bulls GM Position:

[Rondo2287]

comon JR if you dont wanna participate anymore thats fine, but lets just leave it.  No point it lessening the enjoyment for the rest of us that are still trying to follow through. 

[indeedproceed]

This dropping out stuff is hot garbage.

[johnnyrondo]

This dropping out stuff is hot garbage.

I think it's only cold garbage. And you know as well as I do that I'm not free to speak. Underdog is on his way back too Phoenix for the Bobby Brown concert you booked during the 2nd round.

[Rondo2287]

So in Addition to my starters having an awesome matchup against Chicago's starters.  I still have Big Z, Warrick, Finley coming off the bench.  I dont think there is an answer sitting anywhere on Chitowns bench for those pieces

[indeedproceed]

This dropping out stuff is hot garbage.

I think it's only cold garbage. And you know as well as I do that I'm not free to speak. Underdog is on his way back too Phoenix for the Bobby Brown concert you booked during the 2nd round.

I would debate this, but drama has already gone too far here. I will say as someone who has managed to get through this without what I would call a major confrontation, I have still had to sit through argument after argument after argument that all got progressively personal, especially in the last week and a half. The thought that people are quitting now, when we are like 3 days from finishing a month long process and part if not as friends than at least amicably, is both disappointing and disturbing. Maybe I'm off base about it, but I sure don't feel like it.

[Roy Hobbs]

I will say as someone who has managed to get through this without what I would call a major confrontation,

How soon you forget...

Phoenix sucks!

[riah32]

Well i must say that i am very dissapointed in that CB Nation decided a team relying so heavily on 3 rookie big men and a 210lb., 22-career-starts-under-his-belt center would ultimately have the stones in the playoffs to dismantle a team with one of, if not THE deepest groupings of talented big-men in the league.  It seems almost hypocritical since Riah's kings were left out of the playoffs for leaning so hard on a bunch of unproven rooks, yet Houston moves on to the second round.

Regardless, i had a great time over the past few weeks and hope i will be able to participate next year.  Good luck to the teams still alive in the post-season.

I think you are so focused on some of the younger bench talent that you forgot about these guys for Houston:

Chris Bosh
Joe Johnson
Monta Ellis
Anthony Randolph
Grant Hill
Andres Nocioni
D.J. Augustin

Say what you want but Bosh, Johnson, Hill, Ellis and Nocioni make this an extremely formidable team. You, much like Portland, latched your star onto aging stars who's games have been faltering recently. It is not inconceivable to see major, major drops in the games of Kidd, Marion, Carter and Terry and you have some major knuckleheads on the team in Harrington and Smith. I think people perceived that Bosh's and Johnson's and Hill's and Ellis steadiness and likability was better than the possible decline of some of your players games and the volatility of the brain matter of a couple of your players.

Portland on the other hand had a lot of their age and possible declining players in big people who's games don't drop off as fast and who's games were better than your aging players who were guards and wings.

All that said, Portland should kill Houston in the next round of voting.

I can't agree with some of that logic.

Who's to say that Kidd and Terry, who had two of their better years, are more likely to fall off a cliff than 37 year old, injury prone Grant Hill?  There's absoultely no grounds for that.  Further, Marion is 6 years younger then Hill, Carter is several years younger, and neither have an injury history.  Plus all four of these guys have proven, capable backups.  Even if Kidd AND Carter both somehow simultaneously lost their ability to play basketball, Brandon Jennings is a more highly touted prospect then either Blair or Andersen, who will be asked to do FAR more then Jennings regardless.

We rag on Smith and Harrington for beeing "Knuckleheads," but at least they've proven they can compete at an EXTREMELY high level in the NBA.  Randolph, Blair, and Andersen haven't even proven that they can play a full NBA season yet.  Who's to say that all 3 will be good to go and play big minutes come playoffs? it's more likely that 1 or 2 of them may even be in the D-leauge come post-season.

If Houston wins it's because Ellis and Johnson put up 60+ points/game combined.  It's possible, but i think we're a good enough team to keep that from happening 4 times in a series.

You seem to not have gotten the point that Houston has these two guys named Bosh and Johnson who are at the peak of their games and are both almost superduperstars, probably a step below.

Kidd on the other hand scored 9 points and had less than 9 assists a game, couldn't guard a stool never mind a chair that could move like a recliner and you call that one of his "better" years? Marion had a year of 13 and 8 and likewise he is really no longer able to guard small forwards. I have grass in my back yard taller than Jason Terry and you want him to guard the 6-7 Joe Johnson. Johnson will hit jumpers over him all day. It's like trying to have Eddie House guard Paul Pierce. The notion is ridiculous.

Name recognition on these guys(Kidd, Marion) says possible top 50-75 players ever and yet they are putting in mediocre years recently and those years are becoming worse and worse. People are recognizing this. Name recognition gets you only so far. Ask Atlanta about it as he was banking on Iverson and McGrady's names to carry him to the playoffs. There are some very smart basketball people at this site and they view this game as a game of stars. Your two biggest are aging and declining and putting in pedestrian years. Bosh and Johnson are younger and putting in superstar years.

Big huge gigantic difference there and the one that swayed my vote Houston's way.

I have to agree with J-god. If my team who is relying on the same amount of rookies finishs 12th then I dont see how Houston moves on into the second round. You can mention DJ Augustine as a proven player he was hurt last year and is only in his second year. If Jason Thompson can be concerned good then I dont think dj agustine should be considered good either. I think the fact that he doesnt really have a quality center and yeas I'm aware david anderson is startind down in Houston now but that still doesnt me he is a proven center a lot like thabeet. Not trying to cause trouble just giving my opinion.

The problem here is not in the quality or number of young guys it's the quality of the experienced guys.

Sacramento's top 3

Blake/Roy/Turkoglu

Dallas' top 3

Kidd/Terry/Marion

Houston's top 3

Johnson/Bosh/Hill(or Ellis)


- Simply put Houston's three are just much better than Dallas' or Sacramento's.

- Neither Dallas nor Sacramento have a star big man. Say what you want about Bosh's ability to play center, but the numbers point to the fact that, like KG in his younger years, he can do it quite well.

- Houston has two team dominating, game dominating superstars, in their prime on their team. Sacramento, one. Dallas, none. Sorry riah, Hedo is an excellent third banana but don't believe the Hedo hype from this year. He's not a superstar or even a star. He's a very good player with lots of warts.


The secondary players in the nine man rotation for Dallas are just way better than Sacramento's and slightly better than Houston's but not enough to overcome what I feel is a huge gap in talent in their top 3 players.

Here are the remainder of the 9 man rotations as I would see them:

Dallas - Smith, Dalambert, Lee, Harrington, Daniels, Carter
Houston - Ellis(or Hill), Nocioni, Randolph, Augustin, Powe, Anderson
Sacramento - Thompson, Smith, Mason, Thabeet, Flynn, Young

Dallas has no rookies and one 2nd year player in their 9 man rotation.
Houston has one rookie(Anderson who is a 7 year/ 29 year old overseas pro who like Scola/Calderon will probably produce right away) and two 2nd year players.
Sacramento has one second year player and three straight from college rookies.

I think looking at the difference in the talent at the top of the rotations and then how the rest of the 9 man rotations decide this. In the regular season Sacramento just is too young and inexperienced to overcome the grind of the 82 game season. There are enough vets on Dallas and Houston to persevere for the season and when they have to meet in the playoffs the talent at the top, the decent depth and return of a playoff champion like Powe catapults them past Dallas in a one on one series.

Hedo looked like a real third banana when he was taking game tying and winning shots in the ecf. He also must be a third banana cause he didnt handle the ball that much in the 4th quarter o thats right he was the primary ball handler for them in the 4th quarter no matter if it was the playoffs or regualr season. He also took most of the game winning shot attempts to for the Magic in the regualr season or playoffs or was used as a decoy. So to call him a third banana is absurd....you could say the same thing about ray allen then.

An my bench has a 4 year vet and a 8 year vet in Mason and thompson is better than augustine. Ellis as also been injured a lot if I remember correctly. Leon Powe shouldnt even be factored into the equation cause no one knows what he will bring when he comes back.

[Hoyo de Monterrey]

This dropping out stuff is hot garbage.

I think it's only cold garbage. And you know as well as I do that I'm not free to speak. Underdog is on his way back too Phoenix for the Bobby Brown concert you booked during the 2nd round.

I would debate this, but drama has already gone too far here. I will say as someone who has managed to get through this without what I would call a major confrontation, I have still had to sit through argument after argument after argument that all got progressively personal, especially in the last week and a half. The thought that people are quitting now, when we are like 3 days from finishing a month long process and part if not as friends than at least amicably, is both disappointing and disturbing. Maybe I'm off base about it, but I sure don't feel like it.

cosign

[johnnyrondo]

This dropping out stuff is hot garbage.

I think it's only cold garbage. And you know as well as I do that I'm not free to speak. Underdog is on his way back too Phoenix for the Bobby Brown concert you booked during the 2nd round.

I would debate this, but drama has already gone too far here. I will say as someone who has managed to get through this without what I would call a major confrontation, I have still had to sit through argument after argument after argument that all got progressively personal, especially in the last week and a half. The thought that people are quitting now, when we are like 3 days from finishing a month long process and part if not as friends than at least amicably, is both disappointing and disturbing. Maybe I'm off base about it, but I sure don't feel like it.

Since this is a mod mentioning this, I feel I can respond. If I'm not allowed, please feel free to delete. My feeling is its better to quit this horrendous game than to be banned from a site that one led a very peaceful existence on for years now. I ask that you ,as a mod especially, please refrain from public judgement. I can't state all the facts and that's it. Just let it be.

[nickagneta]

This dropping out stuff is hot garbage.

I think it's only cold garbage. And you know as well as I do that I'm not free to speak. Underdog is on his way back too Phoenix for the Bobby Brown concert you booked during the 2nd round.

I would debate this, but drama has already gone too far here. I will say as someone who has managed to get through this without what I would call a major confrontation, I have still had to sit through argument after argument after argument that all got progressively personal, especially in the last week and a half. The thought that people are quitting now, when we are like 3 days from finishing a month long process and part if not as friends than at least amicably, is both disappointing and disturbing. Maybe I'm off base about it, but I sure don't feel like it.

Well it's still not too late....wanna fight??

Phoenix sucks.

Wait a second, I forgot I traded you a bunch of my former players. Maybe your team doesn't suck. We can think of something else to fight over then. Let's see......

Portland sucks!!!

Wait...no.... I forgot. We agree on that.

Ummmmmm, let we think I'm sure we can find something to fight about.

[wdleehi]

This dropping out stuff is hot garbage.

I think it's only cold garbage. And you know as well as I do that I'm not free to speak. Underdog is on his way back too Phoenix for the Bobby Brown concert you booked during the 2nd round.

I would debate this, but drama has already gone too far here. I will say as someone who has managed to get through this without what I would call a major confrontation, I have still had to sit through argument after argument after argument that all got progressively personal, especially in the last week and a half. The thought that people are quitting now, when we are like 3 days from finishing a month long process and part if not as friends than at least amicably, is both disappointing and disturbing. Maybe I'm off base about it, but I sure don't feel like it.

Well it's still not too late....wanna fight??

Phoenix sucks.

Wait a second, I forgot I traded you a bunch of my former players. Maybe your team doesn't suck. We can think of something else to fight over then. Let's see......

Portland sucks!!!

Wait...no.... I forgot. We agree on that.

Ummmmmm, let we think I'm sure we can find something to fight about.

Boxers vs. Underdog!


Go!

[Roy Hobbs]

In case anybody cares, the "I'm not free to speak" thing is not true, by any stretch of the imagination.  I'm not going to leave false accusations against the staff unaddressed in public. 

No poster is bigger than this game, and they're certainly not bigger than the blog and the blog rules.  As Dons stated at the beginning of this whole thing,

Also, any behavior that violates CelticsBlogs's Rules & Posting Guidelines will still be enforced.

A lot of us got too wound up about this game.  After Dons told us to get back into line, though, the vast majority of posters were able to do so.  Those who were not able to were reminded by the staff that there are rules in place, and all posters are expected to abide by them.  End of story.