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Quote from: Roy Hobbs on August 18, 2009, 11:18:33 AMBoston vs. Philadelphia: Wade is going to have to do a lot of his scoring from the outside, as the middle will be shut down. I think Brewer bothers Wade enough to keep him from scoring 25 - 30 (or more) every night, which is what is necessary for Boston to win. Philly in 6.The Celtics are built to win in the half court offense. The 76ers are built to win in transition.
Boston vs. Philadelphia: Wade is going to have to do a lot of his scoring from the outside, as the middle will be shut down. I think Brewer bothers Wade enough to keep him from scoring 25 - 30 (or more) every night, which is what is necessary for Boston to win. Philly in 6.
Boston's vote for seedings1. Chicago2. Orlando3. Boston4. Philly5. NJ6. Toronto7. Washington8. Cleveland9. NY10 Detroit11 Indiana12 Milwaukee - Strong candidate for T of F.13 Atlanta14 Heat15.CharlotteBoston picks Detroit over Chicago. I now see what Nick and Buck were talking about regarding public voting and retaliation. I also see why people who played this game last year didn't come back.
Quote from: Jsaad on August 18, 2009, 12:46:03 PMQuote from: Roy Hobbs on August 18, 2009, 11:18:33 AMBoston vs. Philadelphia: Wade is going to have to do a lot of his scoring from the outside, as the middle will be shut down. I think Brewer bothers Wade enough to keep him from scoring 25 - 30 (or more) every night, which is what is necessary for Boston to win. Philly in 6.The Celtics are built to win in the half court offense. The 76ers are built to win in transition.You think so? I haven't voted yet, and am considering arguments.Don't Bynum and Okafor defend well in the half court? And can't Bynum score from the post? Certainly, Carmello is a good half court player, right?
I dunno though, I gotta side with JR here. If you vote one team not to even make the playoffs and vote the other team first overall....That just seems inconsistant. Matchups are one thing, but to say, Team A is going to finish with the best record, Team B is going to finish with the 10th best record, and they are in the same division, but Im going to vote Team B to beat Team A even though Team A has homecourt?I dunno, Im just interested in hearing the explanation. Disclaimer. I dont Agree that Chicago is the best team.
Quote from: Roy Hobbs on August 18, 2009, 12:47:31 PMQuote from: Jsaad on August 18, 2009, 12:46:03 PMQuote from: Roy Hobbs on August 18, 2009, 11:18:33 AMBoston vs. Philadelphia: Wade is going to have to do a lot of his scoring from the outside, as the middle will be shut down. I think Brewer bothers Wade enough to keep him from scoring 25 - 30 (or more) every night, which is what is necessary for Boston to win. Philly in 6.The Celtics are built to win in the half court offense. The 76ers are built to win in transition.You think so? I haven't voted yet, and am considering arguments.Don't Bynum and Okafor defend well in the half court? And can't Bynum score from the post? Certainly, Carmello is a good half court player, right?Ok, but how often does Carmelo handle the ball in the half court? Baron Davis struggled to adapt to a slowed down offense last year. You really want the ball in his hands in a half court set? Bynum was the most inconstant player in the playoffs last season with 6 and 4 while playing atrocious against Nene.
Quote from: Rondo2287 on August 18, 2009, 12:56:44 PMI dunno though, I gotta side with JR here. If you vote one team not to even make the playoffs and vote the other team first overall....That just seems inconsistant. Matchups are one thing, but to say, Team A is going to finish with the best record, Team B is going to finish with the 10th best record, and they are in the same division, but Im going to vote Team B to beat Team A even though Team A has homecourt?I dunno, Im just interested in hearing the explanation. Disclaimer. I dont Agree that Chicago is the best team. Maybe somebody thought that a certain team's chemistry wouldn't hold up over 82 games, so they voted them out of the playoffs, even though they were very talented. Once in the playoffs, though, they figured that team could pull it together over seven games?No idea; I didn't vote that way. However, I can see why people would vote against Detroit, but then think they could put together a run. Chandler / Amare' / Gay / Mayo is a *ton* of talent, who could put a hurt on a lot of teams if they played to their potential.
Quote from: Roy Hobbs on August 18, 2009, 01:03:42 PMQuote from: Rondo2287 on August 18, 2009, 12:56:44 PMI dunno though, I gotta side with JR here. If you vote one team not to even make the playoffs and vote the other team first overall....That just seems inconsistant. Matchups are one thing, but to say, Team A is going to finish with the best record, Team B is going to finish with the 10th best record, and they are in the same division, but Im going to vote Team B to beat Team A even though Team A has homecourt?I dunno, Im just interested in hearing the explanation. Disclaimer. I dont Agree that Chicago is the best team. Maybe somebody thought that a certain team's chemistry wouldn't hold up over 82 games, so they voted them out of the playoffs, even though they were very talented. Once in the playoffs, though, they figured that team could pull it together over seven games?No idea; I didn't vote that way. However, I can see why people would vote against Detroit, but then think they could put together a run. Chandler / Amare' / Gay / Mayo is a *ton* of talent, who could put a hurt on a lot of teams if they played to their potential.I dunno how you vote Detroit out of the playoffs period. (You meaning anyone)
Quote from: jgod213 on August 18, 2009, 12:05:23 PMQuote from: nickagneta on August 18, 2009, 11:11:38 AMQuote from: jgod213 on August 18, 2009, 10:49:50 AMWell i must say that i am very dissapointed in that CB Nation decided a team relying so heavily on 3 rookie big men and a 210lb., 22-career-starts-under-his-belt center would ultimately have the stones in the playoffs to dismantle a team with one of, if not THE deepest groupings of talented big-men in the league. It seems almost hypocritical since Riah's kings were left out of the playoffs for leaning so hard on a bunch of unproven rooks, yet Houston moves on to the second round.Regardless, i had a great time over the past few weeks and hope i will be able to participate next year. Good luck to the teams still alive in the post-season.I think you are so focused on some of the younger bench talent that you forgot about these guys for Houston:Chris BoshJoe JohnsonMonta Ellis Anthony RandolphGrant HillAndres NocioniD.J. AugustinSay what you want but Bosh, Johnson, Hill, Ellis and Nocioni make this an extremely formidable team. You, much like Portland, latched your star onto aging stars who's games have been faltering recently. It is not inconceivable to see major, major drops in the games of Kidd, Marion, Carter and Terry and you have some major knuckleheads on the team in Harrington and Smith. I think people perceived that Bosh's and Johnson's and Hill's and Ellis steadiness and likability was better than the possible decline of some of your players games and the volatility of the brain matter of a couple of your players.Portland on the other hand had a lot of their age and possible declining players in big people who's games don't drop off as fast and who's games were better than your aging players who were guards and wings.All that said, Portland should kill Houston in the next round of voting.I can't agree with some of that logic.Who's to say that Kidd and Terry, who had two of their better years, are more likely to fall off a cliff than 37 year old, injury prone Grant Hill? There's absoultely no grounds for that. Further, Marion is 6 years younger then Hill, Carter is several years younger, and neither have an injury history. Plus all four of these guys have proven, capable backups. Even if Kidd AND Carter both somehow simultaneously lost their ability to play basketball, Brandon Jennings is a more highly touted prospect then either Blair or Andersen, who will be asked to do FAR more then Jennings regardless.We rag on Smith and Harrington for beeing "Knuckleheads," but at least they've proven they can compete at an EXTREMELY high level in the NBA. Randolph, Blair, and Andersen haven't even proven that they can play a full NBA season yet. Who's to say that all 3 will be good to go and play big minutes come playoffs? it's more likely that 1 or 2 of them may even be in the D-leauge come post-season.If Houston wins it's because Ellis and Johnson put up 60+ points/game combined. It's possible, but i think we're a good enough team to keep that from happening 4 times in a series.You seem to not have gotten the point that Houston has these two guys named Bosh and Johnson who are at the peak of their games and are both almost superduperstars, probably a step below.Kidd on the other hand scored 9 points and had less than 9 assists a game, couldn't guard a stool never mind a chair that could move like a recliner and you call that one of his "better" years? Marion had a year of 13 and 8 and likewise he is really no longer able to guard small forwards. I have grass in my back yard taller than Jason Terry and you want him to guard the 6-7 Joe Johnson. Johnson will hit jumpers over him all day. It's like trying to have Eddie House guard Paul Pierce. The notion is ridiculous.Name recognition on these guys(Kidd, Marion) says possible top 50-75 players ever and yet they are putting in mediocre years recently and those years are becoming worse and worse. People are recognizing this. Name recognition gets you only so far. Ask Atlanta about it as he was banking on Iverson and McGrady's names to carry him to the playoffs. There are some very smart basketball people at this site and they view this game as a game of stars. Your two biggest are aging and declining and putting in pedestrian years. Bosh and Johnson are younger and putting in superstar years.Big huge gigantic difference there and the one that swayed my vote Houston's way.
Quote from: nickagneta on August 18, 2009, 11:11:38 AMQuote from: jgod213 on August 18, 2009, 10:49:50 AMWell i must say that i am very dissapointed in that CB Nation decided a team relying so heavily on 3 rookie big men and a 210lb., 22-career-starts-under-his-belt center would ultimately have the stones in the playoffs to dismantle a team with one of, if not THE deepest groupings of talented big-men in the league. It seems almost hypocritical since Riah's kings were left out of the playoffs for leaning so hard on a bunch of unproven rooks, yet Houston moves on to the second round.Regardless, i had a great time over the past few weeks and hope i will be able to participate next year. Good luck to the teams still alive in the post-season.I think you are so focused on some of the younger bench talent that you forgot about these guys for Houston:Chris BoshJoe JohnsonMonta Ellis Anthony RandolphGrant HillAndres NocioniD.J. AugustinSay what you want but Bosh, Johnson, Hill, Ellis and Nocioni make this an extremely formidable team. You, much like Portland, latched your star onto aging stars who's games have been faltering recently. It is not inconceivable to see major, major drops in the games of Kidd, Marion, Carter and Terry and you have some major knuckleheads on the team in Harrington and Smith. I think people perceived that Bosh's and Johnson's and Hill's and Ellis steadiness and likability was better than the possible decline of some of your players games and the volatility of the brain matter of a couple of your players.Portland on the other hand had a lot of their age and possible declining players in big people who's games don't drop off as fast and who's games were better than your aging players who were guards and wings.All that said, Portland should kill Houston in the next round of voting.I can't agree with some of that logic.Who's to say that Kidd and Terry, who had two of their better years, are more likely to fall off a cliff than 37 year old, injury prone Grant Hill? There's absoultely no grounds for that. Further, Marion is 6 years younger then Hill, Carter is several years younger, and neither have an injury history. Plus all four of these guys have proven, capable backups. Even if Kidd AND Carter both somehow simultaneously lost their ability to play basketball, Brandon Jennings is a more highly touted prospect then either Blair or Andersen, who will be asked to do FAR more then Jennings regardless.We rag on Smith and Harrington for beeing "Knuckleheads," but at least they've proven they can compete at an EXTREMELY high level in the NBA. Randolph, Blair, and Andersen haven't even proven that they can play a full NBA season yet. Who's to say that all 3 will be good to go and play big minutes come playoffs? it's more likely that 1 or 2 of them may even be in the D-leauge come post-season.If Houston wins it's because Ellis and Johnson put up 60+ points/game combined. It's possible, but i think we're a good enough team to keep that from happening 4 times in a series.
Quote from: jgod213 on August 18, 2009, 10:49:50 AMWell i must say that i am very dissapointed in that CB Nation decided a team relying so heavily on 3 rookie big men and a 210lb., 22-career-starts-under-his-belt center would ultimately have the stones in the playoffs to dismantle a team with one of, if not THE deepest groupings of talented big-men in the league. It seems almost hypocritical since Riah's kings were left out of the playoffs for leaning so hard on a bunch of unproven rooks, yet Houston moves on to the second round.Regardless, i had a great time over the past few weeks and hope i will be able to participate next year. Good luck to the teams still alive in the post-season.I think you are so focused on some of the younger bench talent that you forgot about these guys for Houston:Chris BoshJoe JohnsonMonta Ellis Anthony RandolphGrant HillAndres NocioniD.J. AugustinSay what you want but Bosh, Johnson, Hill, Ellis and Nocioni make this an extremely formidable team. You, much like Portland, latched your star onto aging stars who's games have been faltering recently. It is not inconceivable to see major, major drops in the games of Kidd, Marion, Carter and Terry and you have some major knuckleheads on the team in Harrington and Smith. I think people perceived that Bosh's and Johnson's and Hill's and Ellis steadiness and likability was better than the possible decline of some of your players games and the volatility of the brain matter of a couple of your players.Portland on the other hand had a lot of their age and possible declining players in big people who's games don't drop off as fast and who's games were better than your aging players who were guards and wings.All that said, Portland should kill Houston in the next round of voting.
Well i must say that i am very dissapointed in that CB Nation decided a team relying so heavily on 3 rookie big men and a 210lb., 22-career-starts-under-his-belt center would ultimately have the stones in the playoffs to dismantle a team with one of, if not THE deepest groupings of talented big-men in the league. It seems almost hypocritical since Riah's kings were left out of the playoffs for leaning so hard on a bunch of unproven rooks, yet Houston moves on to the second round.Regardless, i had a great time over the past few weeks and hope i will be able to participate next year. Good luck to the teams still alive in the post-season.