2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[riah32]

Some good news for you Wiggle. Looks like you have a starting center after all. http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/61154/20090816/andersen_im_not_replacing_yao/

Andersen is expected to start at center for the Rockets entering the 2009-10 season.

I was very shocked at some voters leaving Houston out of the playoffs.

From the same article:

Andersen isn't a banging center, and is more of a finesse player than Yao.

I'm not sure that that link helps Houston a whole lot.  One of the criticisms of their team is that they don't have enough muscle up front, and Andersen isn't going to help that.  It's not like Yao is a physical beast down low, himself. 

Andersen was already an unknown (remember how folks voted Sacramento and others down for relying on rookies).  Now, he's a *soft* unknown.

I really hope your right Hobbs and my team wasn't the only team that got placed where we are becuase of having a lot of rookies. I see the same amount of rookies and question marks on all the teams in the 6-8 range.

[Roy Hobbs]

Looking at the seeding threads, looks like Dons has disregarded Maestro's and Edgar's votes.

Yes

I saw that Edgar's was disregarded but I still see where CM's is being allowed.

I don't get the rulings here.

Dark Lord put in an honest vote but instead of putting Toronto where most people had him he stuck him last because of personal issues. So instead of just taking toronto's seeding out of the vote the whole vote is discarded.

Edgar edits his vote but has staunchly denied actually changing the vote but just adding some comments. His entire vote is disregarded.

Celticmaestro edited his vote doing basically the same thing and as of yet his vote is being honored.

If his vote is also disregarded Washington goes from close to a 10 point or more lead for the final playoff spot to out of the playoffs because each vote had Washington well placed and Cleveland not so well placed.

Edgar had Cleveland 12th and Washington 7th
CM had Cleveland 12th and Washington 6th
DL had Cleveland well out of the playoffs and Washington well in the playoffs.

And people out West are complaining about being screwed because they came in 7th instead of 5th?

Why not wait for Dons to address this?  For what it's worth, CM's vote looks like it was disregarded, too.  (Link).  CM's vote was in the Western voting, Edgar's was in the East.

As for the dark_lord stuff, there was a lot of non-public stuff there, as has been mentioned previously.

[indeedproceed]

I did the western #'s and CM's is not a part of it.

[Donoghus]

I disregared Edgar and CM's votes because they were both edited.

I made it clear in the rules that edited votes were to be disregarded.  Thats a black and white issue with me. 

[Kwhit10]

Am I missing it, but where are the official tally's?

[Donoghus]

Am I missing it, but where are the official tally's?

Still working on it.

They'll be up later tonight.

[Rondo2287]

So how does playoff voting work? do we vote for the winners of individual matchups?

[KCattheStripe]

I'm telling you KC. If you had Will Solomon instead of Mo, you would have been in the playoffs.

Did Will Solomon ever actually make it to Sacramento?

Absolutely.  He gave them 14 games of brilliance.

(What did that Mo Williams guy ever contribute to a winning team, anyway?)

Come on that's not fair Roy. Mo Williams provided a lot in the playoffs for Cleveland.

A lot less consistency than the regular season.
A lot less defensive intensity than the regular season.
A lot less passing than the regular season.
A lot less shooting accuracy than the regular season.
A lot less leadership than the regular season.

He provided a lot to a winning team come playoff time.

A lot less that is.

Ahhh nick, you and your unreasonable Mo Williams hate. How this takes me back to a week ago. Yes, when the Cavs where on cruise mode in the first two rounds, Mo's numbers took a dip. That'll happen when LeBron ups his ppg by 3.5 in the first round and 5 in te second. But when his team needed him to show leadership and toughness, he averaged more points and rebounds per game against Orlando. But yes, he's a completely worthless player.

[nickagneta]

I'm telling you KC. If you had Will Solomon instead of Mo, you would have been in the playoffs.

Did Will Solomon ever actually make it to Sacramento?

Absolutely.  He gave them 14 games of brilliance.

(What did that Mo Williams guy ever contribute to a winning team, anyway?)

Come on that's not fair Roy. Mo Williams provided a lot in the playoffs for Cleveland.

A lot less consistency than the regular season.
A lot less defensive intensity than the regular season.
A lot less passing than the regular season.
A lot less shooting accuracy than the regular season.
A lot less leadership than the regular season.

He provided a lot to a winning team come playoff time.

A lot less that is.

Ahhh nick, you and your unreasonable Mo Williams hate. How this takes me back to a week ago. Yes, when the Cavs where on cruise mode in the first two rounds, Mo's numbers took a dip. That'll happen when LeBron ups his ppg by 3.5 in the first round and 5 in te second. But when his team needed him to show leadership and toughness, he averaged more points and rebounds per game against Orlando. But yes, he's a completely worthless player.

Ahhhhh I was just having some fun.

He actually played pretty okay but I would expect a certified All-Star to perform better than that in the playoffs.

Again, just kidding.

[Donoghus]

Official East Results

1. Orlando Magic   1.62
2. Chicago Bulls  2.38
3. Toronto Raptors   3.38
4. Philadelphia 76ers   4.69
5. Boston Celtics   6.14
6. New Jersey Nets   6.45
7. Detroit Pistons   7.14
8a. Cleveland Cavaliers   8.41
8b. Washington Boxers   8.41
10. New York Knicks   9.48
11. Milwaukee Bucks   10.62
12. Indiana Pacers  11.07
13. Atlanta Hawks  11.41
14. Miami Heat   14
15. Charlotte Bobcats   14.79

Due to the tie for the 8th seed, there will be a runoff vote between Washington & Cleveland tomorrow.  The East first round wil be conducted on Tuesday.[/color]

[Rondo2287]

Ballin!!!!  4 out of the top 6 coming out of the Atlantic

[Donoghus]

Official West Results

1.   Buffalo Braves   2   (Pacific Division Winner)
2.   Portland Trailblazers  2.32   (NW Division Winner)
3.   Dallas Mavericks   5.14   (SW Division Winner)
4.   Seattle Supersonics   4.64  
5.   Phoenix Suns   5.27  
6.   Houston Rockets   5.64  
7.   Golden St. Warriors   5.88  
8.   Utah Jazz  7.55  
9.   Memphis Grizzlies  9.55  
10.   San Antonio Spurs   10.59  
11.   Minnesota Timberwolves  11.27  
12.   Sacramento Kings  11.32  
13.   Denver Nuggets  11.77  
14.   New Orleans Hornets   12.73  
15.   Las Vegas Flamingos  14.55  

Western Conference 1st round vote will be tomorrow (Monday)

[indeedproceed]

The east is weaksauce compared to the West.

Notice the capitalization. Not a mistake.

[Roy Hobbs]

So, any suggestions on how we should vote in the head-to-head?

We have two options:

1.  Simply vote for which team you'd think would have a better regular season record, regardless of the fact that we're now in a tie.  (In that scenario, I would imagine folks would be pretty consistent with their former ballots); or

2.  Treat this like the two teams are tied through 81 games, and are fortunate (or unfortunate) enough to meet in the 82nd game to determine things.  In that case, matchups become a lot more important.

How is everyone looking at this?

[indeedproceed]

So, any suggestions on how we should vote in the head-to-head?

We have two options:

1.  Simply vote for which team you'd think would have a better regular season record, regardless of the fact that we're now in a tie.  (In that scenario, I would imagine folks would be pretty consistent with their former ballots); or

2.  Treat this like the two teams are tied through 81 games, and are fortunate (or unfortunate) enough to meet in the 82nd game to determine things.  In that case, matchups become a lot more important.

How is everyone looking at this?

Well the teams finished tied for 8th, so in relation to the rest of the league, they're both 8th out of 15 in the east.

I think the only way to handle it is h2h