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Re: I will no longer respect grant hill if he doesnt choose boston...
« Reply #270 on: July 10, 2009, 09:14:09 AM »

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I was just about to post a similar thread.

The point here is that if Hill is even contemplating more money for a playoff-less season in New York and Phoenix then he really is not the type of player you want in Green.

Listening to Sheed's press conference was a breath of fresh air. Comments like "if i need to come off the bench, ill do it" ,"winning is the only thing"

If Grant Hill's wife wears the pants in his relationship and he'd rather give up a shot at a ring so that his wife can make it in music, then i'm sorry but that shows he is not a true winner.

He has never been out of the first round of the playoffs, and Boston is offering him a legitimate title shot and he wants to move to the lottery bound knicks or stay with the lottery bound Suns. Give me a break
You don't know what the situation is with is family, or his finances. It is very easy to say money shouldn't matter when its not your money.

Whether Hill chooses the C's or not won't alter my respect for him, I'll just enjoy watching the C's kick his Knicks ass when they play.

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« Reply #271 on: July 10, 2009, 09:17:52 AM »

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Re: I will no longer respect grant hill if he doesnt choose boston...
« Reply #272 on: July 10, 2009, 09:21:39 AM »

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Seriously as I posted in a different thread there is only 1 reason to go to Boston.  There are a ton of reasons to go to NY or stay at Phoenix.

More Money
Bigger Role
More Comfort in the System
Better City
Happier Home Life

If Hill is satisfied with his playing career and the ring isn't the be all end all for him, why on earth would he come to Boston?  If there is a gaping hole is his career because he lacks a ring, then he should come to Boston.
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Re: I will no longer respect grant hill if he doesnt choose boston...
« Reply #273 on: July 10, 2009, 09:25:42 AM »

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I stopped respecting him when he went to Phoenix. If he doesn't go to Boston he doesn't want a ring, history will judge him, we don't have to. He can go down like Zo or he can go down like regular has beens, his decision.

Do you really think of Zo having a ring though?  Does being a backup on that Miami team really change your perspective of him?  I think of guys like him, Gary Payton, Antoine, all the same, whether or not they every won that one ring, I don't think of them any differently.  Being a backup on a championship team doesn't do too much for your career I think.

I know a ring is important, but the less of a main cog you are to it all, I think the less value it really has career wise.

I don't think of Glen Rice's career differently because he has one ring.
I don't think of Mitch Richmond's career differently because he has one ring.
I don't think of Sean Elliot's career differently because he has one ring.
I don't think of Steve Smith's career differently because he has one ring.

I don't know, maybe it's just me though, but a ring now isn't going to change how I think of Grant Hill.

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Re: I will no longer respect grant hill if he doesnt choose boston...
« Reply #274 on: July 10, 2009, 09:33:05 AM »

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I think it's different. I'm sure those in Miami will think of Zo and GP with a ring, just like nobody thinks of how PJ has a ring except celtics fans.
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Re: I will no longer respect grant hill if he doesnt choose boston...
« Reply #275 on: July 10, 2009, 09:41:55 AM »

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How can you say that?  This guy has overcome incredible injuries and odds to revive his career.  He's worked hard, played hard, and been a long time ambassador for the game.  Where he decides to sign should be completely up to him, and we may never know the true reasons for what he does.  

There could be a lot of factors involved that we're not aware of.  We all know what his past contracts add up to over his career, but who here actually has personal knowledge of what his financial situation truly is?  Beyond that, there is not a single person here who can legitimately say that 2 or 3 million dollars isn't important.  anyone here would jump at the shot to have that much money, and rich athletes may still jump at the opportunity to have that much more.  They are still human after all.  

He's made his run at a ring in Phoenix, and more than that, I've never been completely in love with the whole "ring chaser" notion.  Yeah, I respect it when guys want to win one before they end their careers. But in a way trying to increase their odds can sometimes come across as petty, or at least I felt that way when Gary Payton and Karl Malone went to the Lakers a few years ago.  How does latching on to a superpower for the ride and hopeful self fullfilling glory show any greater integrity than going to a team for money.  They are both self driven, and niether speaks to the work or difficult needed to stay on with their team through thick and thin to see if they can win one where they started.

Look, I would love to have Grant Hill here, I'm happy Rasheed came here, and I am facsinated by the recent influx of star players whom are getting on in their years joining championship contenders.  It's an interesting dynamic, but perhaps not one to base love or hatred for a player by.  Let Hill do what he wants, and no matter what, I will at least respect the guy.

Re: I will no longer respect grant hill if he doesnt choose boston...
« Reply #276 on: July 10, 2009, 09:43:19 AM »

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It won't really change how I think of him. He has the right to go wherever works for him. I just wish he'd decide ASAP so the Cs can either sign him or start working on alternatives.
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Re: I will no longer respect grant hill if he doesnt choose boston...
« Reply #277 on: July 10, 2009, 09:44:17 AM »

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Who cares why he makes the decision he makes. He is going to do what he thinks is best for himself and his family.

Are all the people who are upset with him upset with Pierce, KG, and Ray Allen for not reducing their salaries?  I mean, they could renegotiate their deals to take much less (they have made enough) and then we could be major players in the FA market.  wouldnt that be good of them.  dont they want to win. 

get real.

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Hill leaning towards Phoenix?
« Reply #278 on: July 10, 2009, 09:46:27 AM »

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This is pathetic, I've never seen so many mixed reports... I'm officially not believing anything I hear from anyone until he actually signs the papers.
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Re: I will no longer respect grant hill if he doesnt choose boston...
« Reply #279 on: July 10, 2009, 09:48:34 AM »

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Who cares why he makes the decision he makes. He is going to do what he thinks is best for himself and his family.

Are all the people who are upset with him upset with Pierce, KG, and Ray Allen for not reducing their salaries?  I mean, they could renegotiate their deals to take much less (they have made enough) and then we could be major players in the FA market.  wouldnt that be good of them.  dont they want to win. 

get real.

FYI I could be wrong but I don't NBAPA allows players to do this. 

I think it depends on the scale. TD took less to extend TP. Gilbert took less to sign Jamison.
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Re: I will no longer respect grant hill if he doesnt choose boston...
« Reply #280 on: July 10, 2009, 09:49:44 AM »

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I don't get the no respect for him having a ring thing at all. The reason why these backups got rings is because of the experience they brought to squads and what they had to offer in all the time they spent NOT winning rings elsewhere. The body of work for a career is why these guys are taken onto teams on the cusp of a championship and more often than not these guys are the difference between a team that almost wins it all and a team that actually does.

Zo, GP, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, etc., are all guys that earn a championship. Saying any of these guys don't bring enough to a team to get them over the hump makes no sense to me, or that their career is any different. Ask coaches around the league if those players earn those rings, fans are the only ones who would say the contrary. Grant Hill probably won't earn one because as far as I can tell he doesn't have the playoff experience or knowledge of what it takes to win. He hasn't done it enough. I'd rather have Michael Finley personally. Their careers are different because they've been rewarded for what they worked for all those years and they were smart enough to surround themselves with what they needed to make it happen. That's the ultimate career goal, if you achieve that goal you're looked at differently, it's not a sympathy ring, it's capitalizing and should be commended. That's what THEY care about. Does Grant Hill? I don't care, but it doesn't look to be so.
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Re: Hill leaning towards Phoenix?
« Reply #281 on: July 10, 2009, 09:49:51 AM »

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If you've been following Tanguay, that's pretty much what he's been saying via Greg via Doc.

Re: I will no longer respect grant hill if he doesnt choose boston...
« Reply #282 on: July 10, 2009, 09:52:14 AM »

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Who cares why he makes the decision he makes. He is going to do what he thinks is best for himself and his family.

Are all the people who are upset with him upset with Pierce, KG, and Ray Allen for not reducing their salaries?  I mean, they could renegotiate their deals to take much less (they have made enough) and then we could be major players in the FA market.  wouldnt that be good of them.  dont they want to win. 

get real.

FYI I could be wrong but I don't NBAPA allows players to do this. 

KEvin could have signed his extension for less. Paul could opt out next year and do it, so could ray.

His point remains, people play fast and loose with money when it isn't there's, and act like if someone came up to them and said "listen, I'll pay you 2 million to work here, or 4 million to work in NYC" that they would stay put and not even consider going to NY.


I think most people are being dishonest with themselves, and would in fact, NOT take 2 million dollars less to work for the hometown team (never mind that grant hill has zero boston ties, when you think about it. This is his job, and he's going to make the bext choice for his career.)


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Re: Hill leaning towards Phoenix?
« Reply #283 on: July 10, 2009, 09:53:14 AM »

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what part has he been saying all along? that hill is leaning towards re-signing with the suns or that he won't believe any reports until he actually signs?
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Re: Hill leaning towards Phoenix?
« Reply #284 on: July 10, 2009, 09:54:45 AM »

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what part has he been saying all along? that hill is leaning towards re-signing with the suns or that he won't believe any reports until he actually signs?

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