More on Leon...

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

just in addition, Bud, you mentioned that you think the Powe supporters under value trade chips, but I think you and the "don't sign Leon" contingent undervalue how good Leon actually is..

like a poster just mentioned, there is a strong possibility that Leon signs elsewhere.

And that is the gist of the whole argument.  How good is Leon Powe?  The Powe supporters think Powe is a very good player with the potential to be a starter capable of putting up a double double every night.  The Powe doubters which includes management see Powe as a hard worker but nothing more than a 15 minute backup sub. My contention has always been that management didn't really see Powe as having much potential. Even if Powe had stayed healthy, I doubt the Celtics were going to keep him if other teams had expressed interest in him.  So, if no teams are interested in an injured Leon, the Celtics may offer a contract, if his knee recovers fully.  Yeah, it's business and it sucks, especially after Leon has really given more to the Celtics than the Celtics ever envisioned when signing him to minimum entry level contracts.

Is that why Doc told Leon that he was going to do everything he could to keep him around?

as for what the pro-Leon people think of him as a player, I can only speak for myself. and I don't think of him as a 20/10 player. I think of him as a PERFECT bench/energy big on a championship caliber team...

he's capable of dropping a 20/10 game here and there, but the one thing he will always do is fight for every rebound. the guy just produces and i think the front office would be taking a very low risk in bringing him back into the fold on the chance that he returns to that player.

Actually, I think Powe can be a 20/10 guy, not just a double double guy, with another team, but perhaps not with the Celtics.  How much value does management place in a high energy player coming off the bench?  Apparently with Powe....not much. As far as Rivers' take on Powe, I think he admires Powe's character and work ethic but still doesn't trust him enough to start him or give him extended minutes. I think this is why Powe was sent packing.....good energy guy off the bench but not good enough to be a starter that's now coming off a career threatening injury.  Management is rolling the dice that nobody will be interested and they can get Powe back after their roster has somewhat been settled. To them,it's a minimal risk but I do think it may come back to haunt them.

I basically agree with you here. If Leon was on MEM for instance, he could have been putting up stats that he wouldn't here. not sure about 20/10, but solid numbers for sure.

and I agree that there is minimal risk is signing Leon right now.  I really wish they would rethink this decision.

Have you ever seen Leon start?  He could put up 20/10 easy.  That of course would probably depend on who's playing Center.  More than likely he will end up a mostly defensive player putting up 15/8-ish, much like Perk.  The unfortunate thing about Leon is he takes up your PF position (while he's basically a C), and he his size is gonna be a problem against some teams.  However, coming off the bench he is the ideal role player, and on most nights will still give you 15/8 if you give him 20+ minutes (which he can play no problem).

while he's basically a C? he's 6'8. he's often undersized against the man he matches up against at PF. He struggle holding his own at PF at times, let alone against bigger men. Much of his boardwork comes from people leaving their men and not being boxed out properly. he is a player with a nose for the ball which helps. look, i'd love to resigh Powe when we have a chance to see how his rehab comes along and see what moves can be made with players we know can play and help this upcoming season. but to a) claim that Leon is done for good in Boston and b) think we can't improve the team with a roster spot that isn't held up in a rehab that no one knows how it will turn out is foolish.

[winsomme]

  You're assuming we're not going to have a backup pg besides Hudson or Pruitt?

just like the last two seasons, Eddie is the backup PG. If you want to add another one different than Pruitt with more experience, like i pointed out on the list, have them take Pruitt's spot on the roster...

  You did notice that they brought in other backup pgs in BOTH of those years, right?

yeah and each time went back to Eddie...they even had a chance to go in a whole new direction than Eddie after 08 and re-signed him for two years...

anyway, like i pointed out, you can bring in a third string PG if you want and put them in Pruitt's spot....assuming you don't like Pruitt as the third string PG...

  When did we go back to Eddie as pg last year? It wasn't in the playoffs...

we brought back Sam and then left him in street clothes all season. who do you think our backup PG was the majority of the season...?

[BballTim]

  You're assuming we're not going to have a backup pg besides Hudson or Pruitt?

just like the last two seasons, Eddie is the backup PG. If you want to add another one different than Pruitt with more experience, like i pointed out on the list, have them take Pruitt's spot on the roster...

  You did notice that they brought in other backup pgs in BOTH of those years, right?

yeah and each time went back to Eddie...they even had a chance to go in a whole new direction than Eddie after 08 and re-signed him for two years...

anyway, like i pointed out, you can bring in a third string PG if you want and put them in Pruitt's spot....assuming you don't like Pruitt as the third string PG...

  When did we go back to Eddie as pg last year? It wasn't in the playoffs...

we brought back Sam and then left him in street clothes all season. who do you think our backup PG was the majority of the season...?

  I was talking about Marbury, someone who actually played for us. Two years in a row, Eddie starts out as our main backup pg. Two years in a row, we go out and get someone to play pg late in the season. Two years in a row, that pg we bring in late in the year goes into the playoffs as our primary backup pg. See a pattern?

[winsomme]

  You're assuming we're not going to have a backup pg besides Hudson or Pruitt?

just like the last two seasons, Eddie is the backup PG. If you want to add another one different than Pruitt with more experience, like i pointed out on the list, have them take Pruitt's spot on the roster...

  You did notice that they brought in other backup pgs in BOTH of those years, right?

yeah and each time went back to Eddie...they even had a chance to go in a whole new direction than Eddie after 08 and re-signed him for two years...

anyway, like i pointed out, you can bring in a third string PG if you want and put them in Pruitt's spot....assuming you don't like Pruitt as the third string PG...

  When did we go back to Eddie as pg last year? It wasn't in the playoffs...

we brought back Sam and then left him in street clothes all season. who do you think our backup PG was the majority of the season...?

  I was talking about Marbury, someone who actually played for us. Two years in a row, Eddie starts out as our main backup pg. Two years in a row, we go out and get someone to play pg late in the season. Two years in a row, that pg we bring in late in the year goes into the playoffs as our primary backup pg. See a pattern?

yeah, we keep going back to Eddie...which is what I expect this year also...

but regardless, like I pointed out, you can get another PG and still have Leon on the roster.

[mgent]

just in addition, Bud, you mentioned that you think the Powe supporters under value trade chips, but I think you and the "don't sign Leon" contingent undervalue how good Leon actually is..

like a poster just mentioned, there is a strong possibility that Leon signs elsewhere.

And that is the gist of the whole argument.  How good is Leon Powe?  The Powe supporters think Powe is a very good player with the potential to be a starter capable of putting up a double double every night.  The Powe doubters which includes management see Powe as a hard worker but nothing more than a 15 minute backup sub. My contention has always been that management didn't really see Powe as having much potential. Even if Powe had stayed healthy, I doubt the Celtics were going to keep him if other teams had expressed interest in him.  So, if no teams are interested in an injured Leon, the Celtics may offer a contract, if his knee recovers fully.  Yeah, it's business and it sucks, especially after Leon has really given more to the Celtics than the Celtics ever envisioned when signing him to minimum entry level contracts.

Is that why Doc told Leon that he was going to do everything he could to keep him around?

as for what the pro-Leon people think of him as a player, I can only speak for myself. and I don't think of him as a 20/10 player. I think of him as a PERFECT bench/energy big on a championship caliber team...

he's capable of dropping a 20/10 game here and there, but the one thing he will always do is fight for every rebound. the guy just produces and i think the front office would be taking a very low risk in bringing him back into the fold on the chance that he returns to that player.

Actually, I think Powe can be a 20/10 guy, not just a double double guy, with another team, but perhaps not with the Celtics.  How much value does management place in a high energy player coming off the bench?  Apparently with Powe....not much. As far as Rivers' take on Powe, I think he admires Powe's character and work ethic but still doesn't trust him enough to start him or give him extended minutes. I think this is why Powe was sent packing.....good energy guy off the bench but not good enough to be a starter that's now coming off a career threatening injury.  Management is rolling the dice that nobody will be interested and they can get Powe back after their roster has somewhat been settled. To them,it's a minimal risk but I do think it may come back to haunt them.

I basically agree with you here. If Leon was on MEM for instance, he could have been putting up stats that he wouldn't here. not sure about 20/10, but solid numbers for sure.

and I agree that there is minimal risk is signing Leon right now.  I really wish they would rethink this decision.

Have you ever seen Leon start?  He could put up 20/10 easy.  That of course would probably depend on who's playing Center.  More than likely he will end up a mostly defensive player putting up 15/8-ish, much like Perk.  The unfortunate thing about Leon is he takes up your PF position (while he's basically a C), and he his size is gonna be a problem against some teams.  However, coming off the bench he is the ideal role player, and on most nights will still give you 15/8 if you give him 20+ minutes (which he can play no problem).

while he's basically a C? he's 6'8. he's often undersized against the man he matches up against at PF. He struggle holding his own at PF at times, let alone against bigger men. Much of his boardwork comes from people leaving their men and not being boxed out properly. he is a player with a nose for the ball which helps. look, i'd love to resigh Powe when we have a chance to see how his rehab comes along and see what moves can be made with players we know can play and help this upcoming season. but to a) claim that Leon is done for good in Boston and b) think we can't improve the team with a roster spot that isn't held up in a rehab that no one knows how it will turn out is foolish.

Dude, that's what i was saying.  He's NOT a center yet he plays like one.  You wouldn't want to start him next to a guy like Howard, who already does all the stuff Powe does.  You would rather have a faster guy who can shoot, like Lewis.
Apparently you can't even point out his flaws without Leon-haters jumping on you...

[mgent]

  You're assuming we're not going to have a backup pg besides Hudson or Pruitt?

just like the last two seasons, Eddie is the backup PG. If you want to add another one different than Pruitt with more experience, like i pointed out on the list, have them take Pruitt's spot on the roster...

  You did notice that they brought in other backup pgs in BOTH of those years, right?

yeah and each time went back to Eddie...they even had a chance to go in a whole new direction than Eddie after 08 and re-signed him for two years...

anyway, like i pointed out, you can bring in a third string PG if you want and put them in Pruitt's spot....assuming you don't like Pruitt as the third string PG...

  When did we go back to Eddie as pg last year? It wasn't in the playoffs...

we brought back Sam and then left him in street clothes all season. who do you think our backup PG was the majority of the season...?

  I was talking about Marbury, someone who actually played for us. Two years in a row, Eddie starts out as our main backup pg. Two years in a row, we go out and get someone to play pg late in the season. Two years in a row, that pg we bring in late in the year goes into the playoffs as our primary backup pg. See a pattern?

yeah, we keep going back to Eddie...which is what I expect this year also...

but regardless, like I pointed out, you can get another PG and still have Leon on the roster.

Maybe if Boston wasn't stupid and offered decent bench players contracts longer than a 1 year minimum, we'd have a point guard.  What Danny doesn't seem to understand is we got LUCKY with PJ Brown.  YOU SHOULD NEVER RELY ON FREE AGENTS TO BAIL YOU OUT.  Most of them turn out busts.  Of course eventually you're gonna find good talent that fits in with your team, but don't expect it.  Signing a free agent is a lot like getting an organ transplant.  You're trying to force something that is used to working in a different system into your own, a system that's already used to working together.  Unless the guy is a perfect match, he's gonna take A LOT of work/time to get acquainted, or else the system is gonna reject him.
But when we get a guy that works well like Posey and Marbury, although he needed a lot of work (and still does), Danny is scared to sign him on and give him a chance.

[BballTim]

  You're assuming we're not going to have a backup pg besides Hudson or Pruitt?

just like the last two seasons, Eddie is the backup PG. If you want to add another one different than Pruitt with more experience, like i pointed out on the list, have them take Pruitt's spot on the roster...

  You did notice that they brought in other backup pgs in BOTH of those years, right?

yeah and each time went back to Eddie...they even had a chance to go in a whole new direction than Eddie after 08 and re-signed him for two years...

anyway, like i pointed out, you can bring in a third string PG if you want and put them in Pruitt's spot....assuming you don't like Pruitt as the third string PG...

  When did we go back to Eddie as pg last year? It wasn't in the playoffs...

we brought back Sam and then left him in street clothes all season. who do you think our backup PG was the majority of the season...?

  I was talking about Marbury, someone who actually played for us. Two years in a row, Eddie starts out as our main backup pg. Two years in a row, we go out and get someone to play pg late in the season. Two years in a row, that pg we bring in late in the year goes into the playoffs as our primary backup pg. See a pattern?

yeah, we keep going back to Eddie...which is what I expect this year also...

but regardless, like I pointed out, you can get another PG and still have Leon on the roster.

  So when you say we keep going back to Eddie you mean we keep going away from Eddie?

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

just in addition, Bud, you mentioned that you think the Powe supporters under value trade chips, but I think you and the "don't sign Leon" contingent undervalue how good Leon actually is..

like a poster just mentioned, there is a strong possibility that Leon signs elsewhere.

And that is the gist of the whole argument.  How good is Leon Powe?  The Powe supporters think Powe is a very good player with the potential to be a starter capable of putting up a double double every night.  The Powe doubters which includes management see Powe as a hard worker but nothing more than a 15 minute backup sub. My contention has always been that management didn't really see Powe as having much potential. Even if Powe had stayed healthy, I doubt the Celtics were going to keep him if other teams had expressed interest in him.  So, if no teams are interested in an injured Leon, the Celtics may offer a contract, if his knee recovers fully.  Yeah, it's business and it sucks, especially after Leon has really given more to the Celtics than the Celtics ever envisioned when signing him to minimum entry level contracts.

Is that why Doc told Leon that he was going to do everything he could to keep him around?

as for what the pro-Leon people think of him as a player, I can only speak for myself. and I don't think of him as a 20/10 player. I think of him as a PERFECT bench/energy big on a championship caliber team...

he's capable of dropping a 20/10 game here and there, but the one thing he will always do is fight for every rebound. the guy just produces and i think the front office would be taking a very low risk in bringing him back into the fold on the chance that he returns to that player.

Actually, I think Powe can be a 20/10 guy, not just a double double guy, with another team, but perhaps not with the Celtics.  How much value does management place in a high energy player coming off the bench?  Apparently with Powe....not much. As far as Rivers' take on Powe, I think he admires Powe's character and work ethic but still doesn't trust him enough to start him or give him extended minutes. I think this is why Powe was sent packing.....good energy guy off the bench but not good enough to be a starter that's now coming off a career threatening injury.  Management is rolling the dice that nobody will be interested and they can get Powe back after their roster has somewhat been settled. To them,it's a minimal risk but I do think it may come back to haunt them.

I basically agree with you here. If Leon was on MEM for instance, he could have been putting up stats that he wouldn't here. not sure about 20/10, but solid numbers for sure.

and I agree that there is minimal risk is signing Leon right now.  I really wish they would rethink this decision.

Have you ever seen Leon start?  He could put up 20/10 easy.  That of course would probably depend on who's playing Center.  More than likely he will end up a mostly defensive player putting up 15/8-ish, much like Perk.  The unfortunate thing about Leon is he takes up your PF position (while he's basically a C), and he his size is gonna be a problem against some teams.  However, coming off the bench he is the ideal role player, and on most nights will still give you 15/8 if you give him 20+ minutes (which he can play no problem).

while he's basically a C? he's 6'8. he's often undersized against the man he matches up against at PF. He struggle holding his own at PF at times, let alone against bigger men. Much of his boardwork comes from people leaving their men and not being boxed out properly. he is a player with a nose for the ball which helps. look, i'd love to resigh Powe when we have a chance to see how his rehab comes along and see what moves can be made with players we know can play and help this upcoming season. but to a) claim that Leon is done for good in Boston and b) think we can't improve the team with a roster spot that isn't held up in a rehab that no one knows how it will turn out is foolish.

Dude, that's what i was saying.  He's NOT a center yet he plays like one.  You wouldn't want to start him next to a guy like Howard, who already does all the stuff Powe does.  You would rather have a faster guy who can shoot, like Lewis.
Apparently you can't even point out his flaws without Leon-haters jumping on you...

ok, i misread that somewhat, my apologies. i am far from a leon powe-hater. i love the man and appreciate all he has brought to the celtics for the past few years. i just think some people are going crazily overboard in their appraisal of him as a player given the events of the past few days. leon is a great backup big off the bench. i love what he does. but he is not a starting power forward who is going to get 15 points every night. he boards very well for his size, he has a nose for the ball but he cannot create his own shot particularly well and he tends to get lost at times in the system that is being run. he excells at cleaning up on the glass on broken plays. it seems that he has been made out to be the next great pf of the league here sometimes and not seen objectively as a very good backup who has his third blown out knee of his career. that is something to be leery of when you are building a bench and a team.

[42-celticsFAN]

Yeah, I really like Eddie and what he brings to the C's, but a PG he is not.  He doesn't handle ball pressure very well, rember Detroit series a few years ago when Hunter was dogging him.  Also, Eddie really isn't much of a passer or very good at driving to the hoop.

[winsomme]

  You're assuming we're not going to have a backup pg besides Hudson or Pruitt?

just like the last two seasons, Eddie is the backup PG. If you want to add another one different than Pruitt with more experience, like i pointed out on the list, have them take Pruitt's spot on the roster...

  You did notice that they brought in other backup pgs in BOTH of those years, right?

yeah and each time went back to Eddie...they even had a chance to go in a whole new direction than Eddie after 08 and re-signed him for two years...

anyway, like i pointed out, you can bring in a third string PG if you want and put them in Pruitt's spot....assuming you don't like Pruitt as the third string PG...

  When did we go back to Eddie as pg last year? It wasn't in the playoffs...

we brought back Sam and then left him in street clothes all season. who do you think our backup PG was the majority of the season...?

  I was talking about Marbury, someone who actually played for us. Two years in a row, Eddie starts out as our main backup pg. Two years in a row, we go out and get someone to play pg late in the season. Two years in a row, that pg we bring in late in the year goes into the playoffs as our primary backup pg. See a pattern?

yeah, we keep going back to Eddie...which is what I expect this year also...

but regardless, like I pointed out, you can get another PG and still have Leon on the roster.

  So when you say we keep going back to Eddie you mean we keep going away from Eddie?

umm, no i mean back to him as i expect him to be our backup PG this season...

you realize we are talking about this in terms of a roster spot for Leon, right?

[guava_wrench]

  You're assuming we're not going to have a backup pg besides Hudson or Pruitt?

just like the last two seasons, Eddie is the backup PG. If you want to add another one different than Pruitt with more experience, like i pointed out on the list, have them take Pruitt's spot on the roster...

  You did notice that they brought in other backup pgs in BOTH of those years, right?

yeah and each time went back to Eddie...they even had a chance to go in a whole new direction than Eddie after 08 and re-signed him for two years...

anyway, like i pointed out, you can bring in a third string PG if you want and put them in Pruitt's spot....assuming you don't like Pruitt as the third string PG...

  When did we go back to Eddie as pg last year? It wasn't in the playoffs...

we brought back Sam and then left him in street clothes all season. who do you think our backup PG was the majority of the season...?

  I was talking about Marbury, someone who actually played for us. Two years in a row, Eddie starts out as our main backup pg. Two years in a row, we go out and get someone to play pg late in the season. Two years in a row, that pg we bring in late in the year goes into the playoffs as our primary backup pg. See a pattern?

yeah, we keep going back to Eddie...which is what I expect this year also...

but regardless, like I pointed out, you can get another PG and still have Leon on the roster.

Maybe if Boston wasn't stupid and offered decent bench players contracts longer than a 1 year minimum, we'd have a point guard.  What Danny doesn't seem to understand is we got LUCKY with PJ Brown.  YOU SHOULD NEVER RELY ON FREE AGENTS TO BAIL YOU OUT.  Most of them turn out busts.  Of course eventually you're gonna find good talent that fits in with your team, but don't expect it.  Signing a free agent is a lot like getting an organ transplant.  You're trying to force something that is used to working in a different system into your own, a system that's already used to working together.  Unless the guy is a perfect match, he's gonna take A LOT of work/time to get acquainted, or else the system is gonna reject him.
But when we get a guy that works well like Posey and Marbury, although he needed a lot of work (and still does), Danny is scared to sign him on and give him a chance.

I doubt Marbury signs a multi-year deal last season at the price we signed him for.

Likewise, Posey was playing for a bigger contract.

You don't know ahead of time how players will work out. Posey worked out. Marbury, not so much.

[guava_wrench]

just in addition, Bud, you mentioned that you think the Powe supporters under value trade chips, but I think you and the "don't sign Leon" contingent undervalue how good Leon actually is..

like a poster just mentioned, there is a strong possibility that Leon signs elsewhere.

And that is the gist of the whole argument.  How good is Leon Powe?  The Powe supporters think Powe is a very good player with the potential to be a starter capable of putting up a double double every night.  The Powe doubters which includes management see Powe as a hard worker but nothing more than a 15 minute backup sub. My contention has always been that management didn't really see Powe as having much potential. Even if Powe had stayed healthy, I doubt the Celtics were going to keep him if other teams had expressed interest in him.  So, if no teams are interested in an injured Leon, the Celtics may offer a contract, if his knee recovers fully.  Yeah, it's business and it sucks, especially after Leon has really given more to the Celtics than the Celtics ever envisioned when signing him to minimum entry level contracts.

Is that why Doc told Leon that he was going to do everything he could to keep him around?

as for what the pro-Leon people think of him as a player, I can only speak for myself. and I don't think of him as a 20/10 player. I think of him as a PERFECT bench/energy big on a championship caliber team...

he's capable of dropping a 20/10 game here and there, but the one thing he will always do is fight for every rebound. the guy just produces and i think the front office would be taking a very low risk in bringing him back into the fold on the chance that he returns to that player.

Actually, I think Powe can be a 20/10 guy, not just a double double guy, with another team, but perhaps not with the Celtics.  How much value does management place in a high energy player coming off the bench?  Apparently with Powe....not much. As far as Rivers' take on Powe, I think he admires Powe's character and work ethic but still doesn't trust him enough to start him or give him extended minutes. I think this is why Powe was sent packing.....good energy guy off the bench but not good enough to be a starter that's now coming off a career threatening injury.  Management is rolling the dice that nobody will be interested and they can get Powe back after their roster has somewhat been settled. To them,it's a minimal risk but I do think it may come back to haunt them.

I basically agree with you here. If Leon was on MEM for instance, he could have been putting up stats that he wouldn't here. not sure about 20/10, but solid numbers for sure.

and I agree that there is minimal risk is signing Leon right now.  I really wish they would rethink this decision.

Have you ever seen Leon start?  He could put up 20/10 easy.  That of course would probably depend on who's playing Center.  More than likely he will end up a mostly defensive player putting up 15/8-ish, much like Perk.  The unfortunate thing about Leon is he takes up your PF position (while he's basically a C), and he his size is gonna be a problem against some teams.  However, coming off the bench he is the ideal role player, and on most nights will still give you 15/8 if you give him 20+ minutes (which he can play no problem).

You think he can average 20/10 over a season? How many players in the NBA did that last year? Only 6 players averaged 10 or more RPG! There were only 2 20/10 players: Howard and Bosh.

In 17.5 mpg last season he averaged 7.7/4.9. If the majority of minutes are against starting lineups, I'm not sure those number double with the minutes. Add into that the fatigue from playing more minutes, and numbers don't usually double with minutes.

Sure he can put up 20/10 at times if he is healthy again, especially if he is on a bad team. But let's return to reality.

[BballTim]

just in addition, Bud, you mentioned that you think the Powe supporters under value trade chips, but I think you and the "don't sign Leon" contingent undervalue how good Leon actually is..

like a poster just mentioned, there is a strong possibility that Leon signs elsewhere.

And that is the gist of the whole argument.  How good is Leon Powe?  The Powe supporters think Powe is a very good player with the potential to be a starter capable of putting up a double double every night.  The Powe doubters which includes management see Powe as a hard worker but nothing more than a 15 minute backup sub. My contention has always been that management didn't really see Powe as having much potential. Even if Powe had stayed healthy, I doubt the Celtics were going to keep him if other teams had expressed interest in him.  So, if no teams are interested in an injured Leon, the Celtics may offer a contract, if his knee recovers fully.  Yeah, it's business and it sucks, especially after Leon has really given more to the Celtics than the Celtics ever envisioned when signing him to minimum entry level contracts.

Is that why Doc told Leon that he was going to do everything he could to keep him around?

as for what the pro-Leon people think of him as a player, I can only speak for myself. and I don't think of him as a 20/10 player. I think of him as a PERFECT bench/energy big on a championship caliber team...

he's capable of dropping a 20/10 game here and there, but the one thing he will always do is fight for every rebound. the guy just produces and i think the front office would be taking a very low risk in bringing him back into the fold on the chance that he returns to that player.

Actually, I think Powe can be a 20/10 guy, not just a double double guy, with another team, but perhaps not with the Celtics.  How much value does management place in a high energy player coming off the bench?  Apparently with Powe....not much. As far as Rivers' take on Powe, I think he admires Powe's character and work ethic but still doesn't trust him enough to start him or give him extended minutes. I think this is why Powe was sent packing.....good energy guy off the bench but not good enough to be a starter that's now coming off a career threatening injury.  Management is rolling the dice that nobody will be interested and they can get Powe back after their roster has somewhat been settled. To them,it's a minimal risk but I do think it may come back to haunt them.

I basically agree with you here. If Leon was on MEM for instance, he could have been putting up stats that he wouldn't here. not sure about 20/10, but solid numbers for sure.

and I agree that there is minimal risk is signing Leon right now.  I really wish they would rethink this decision.

Have you ever seen Leon start?  He could put up 20/10 easy.  That of course would probably depend on who's playing Center.  More than likely he will end up a mostly defensive player putting up 15/8-ish, much like Perk.  The unfortunate thing about Leon is he takes up your PF position (while he's basically a C), and he his size is gonna be a problem against some teams.  However, coming off the bench he is the ideal role player, and on most nights will still give you 15/8 if you give him 20+ minutes (which he can play no problem).

You think he can average 20/10 over a season? How many players in the NBA did that last year? Only 6 players averaged 10 or more RPG! There were only 2 20/10 players: Howard and Bosh.

  You forgot Big Al...

[BballTim]

umm, no i mean back to him as i expect him to be our backup PG this season...

you realize we are talking about this in terms of a roster spot for Leon, right?

  Yes, I realize that. You're claiming that we have a roster spot for Leon with Eddie as our primary backup pg, even though you know that the Celts don't want to have him as our primary backup pg.

[guava_wrench]

Have you ever seen Leon start?  He could put up 20/10 easy.  That of course would probably depend on who's playing Center.  More than likely he will end up a mostly defensive player putting up 15/8-ish, much like Perk.  The unfortunate thing about Leon is he takes up your PF position (while he's basically a C), and he his size is gonna be a problem against some teams.  However, coming off the bench he is the ideal role player, and on most nights will still give you 15/8 if you give him 20+ minutes (which he can play no problem).

You think he can average 20/10 over a season? How many players in the NBA did that last year? Only 6 players averaged 10 or more RPG! There were only 2 20/10 players: Howard and Bosh.

  You forgot Big Al...

Only played 50 gms. Doesn't qualify.