More on Leon...

[johnnyrondo]

I can't believe the Red Sox signed John Smoltz even though he would be out until June. What a silly signing 

How much luxury tax did the Sox have to pay? There are so many differences in these situations that it is an inappropriate comparison.

It is also odd to make this comparison since the Red Sox have no qualms cutting bait on players if it is a shrewd financial move.

Smoltz contract and any luxury tax payments will way exceed Powe's contract and luxury tax.

And on your second point, if the Sox, who are all about shrewd financial moves are still smart enough to know that Smoltz won't still be available when he's done rehabbing, so they must sign him ahead of time, you'd hope the C's would be willing to do the same with the 6th star winner. Sox said the signing is about September and October.

MLB and NBA systems are so different that the comparison between the situations is poor crap. Signing Smoltz is quite irrelevant to roster space. Roster space in MLB is not a valued commodity.

In the NBA, with no farm system and with only 15 roster spots available (wether they play or not), it's a very high commodity.

Yet the C's had rookies Giddens and Walker, scrubs POB and Pruitt, an extra assistant coach Cassell taking up one third of those valuable spots last year.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I can't believe the Red Sox signed John Smoltz even though he would be out until June. What a silly signing 

How much luxury tax did the Sox have to pay? There are so many differences in these situations that it is an inappropriate comparison.

It is also odd to make this comparison since the Red Sox have no qualms cutting bait on players if it is a shrewd financial move.

Smoltz contract and any luxury tax payments will way exceed Powe's contract and luxury tax.

And on your second point, if the Sox, who are all about shrewd financial moves are still smart enough to know that Smoltz won't still be available when he's done rehabbing, so they must sign him ahead of time, you'd hope the C's would be willing to do the same with the 6th star winner. Sox said the signing is about September and October.

MLB and NBA systems are so different that the comparison between the situations is poor crap. Signing Smoltz is quite irrelevant to roster space. Roster space in MLB is not a valued commodity.

In the NBA, with no farm system and with only 15 roster spots available (wether they play or not), it's a very high commodity.

Yet the C's had rookies Giddens and Walker, scrubs POB and Pruitt, an extra assistant coach Cassell taking up one third of those valuable spots last year.

None of those were injured though, and none of those were signed until near the end of free-agency. Pruitt was already under contract if not mistaken. Plus all of them could fill a position of need. PF is not currently a position of need.

Keep rationalizing... fact is, that at this very moment, there is no space for Powe. Maybe in the future, but not right now.

[johnnyrondo]

I can't believe the Red Sox signed John Smoltz even though he would be out until June. What a silly signing 

How much luxury tax did the Sox have to pay? There are so many differences in these situations that it is an inappropriate comparison.

It is also odd to make this comparison since the Red Sox have no qualms cutting bait on players if it is a shrewd financial move.

Smoltz contract and any luxury tax payments will way exceed Powe's contract and luxury tax.

And on your second point, if the Sox, who are all about shrewd financial moves are still smart enough to know that Smoltz won't still be available when he's done rehabbing, so they must sign him ahead of time, you'd hope the C's would be willing to do the same with the 6th star winner. Sox said the signing is about September and October.

MLB and NBA systems are so different that the comparison between the situations is poor crap. Signing Smoltz is quite irrelevant to roster space. Roster space in MLB is not a valued commodity.

In the NBA, with no farm system and with only 15 roster spots available (wether they play or not), it's a very high commodity.

Yet the C's had rookies Giddens and Walker, scrubs POB and Pruitt, an extra assistant coach Cassell taking up one third of those valuable spots last year.

None of those were injured though, and none of those were signed until near the end of free-agency. Pruitt was already under contract if not mistaken. Plus all of them could fill a position of need. PF is not currently a position of need.

Keep rationalizing... fact is, that at this very moment, there is no space for Powe. Maybe in the future, but not right now.

Right

We lost Mikki, Powe and BBD. Who did we replace them with at PF?

POB was signed in early. We complained about it all Summer.  If Danny had told Powe that he would be signing him later in the offseason, like he did with Giddens, Walker, and Cassell, Powe would be fine. That's not what Danny said. Danny said to look elsewhere. You're not wanted.

So "keep rationalizing" yourself with your 44 tagged glasses.

[johnnyrondo]

I would like for someone to present a plausible roster of 15 players that would serve us better for the next 2 yrs (the window) than giving Powe one spot.

Perkins
KG
Pierce
Ray
Rondo are the givens, so add 10 more players that realistically the C's could afford and would be willing to sign. For example Joe Smith is not signing as a 12th man, and we can't afford Sheed, Baby, and Hill, etc.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I can't believe the Red Sox signed John Smoltz even though he would be out until June. What a silly signing 

How much luxury tax did the Sox have to pay? There are so many differences in these situations that it is an inappropriate comparison.

It is also odd to make this comparison since the Red Sox have no qualms cutting bait on players if it is a shrewd financial move.

Smoltz contract and any luxury tax payments will way exceed Powe's contract and luxury tax.

And on your second point, if the Sox, who are all about shrewd financial moves are still smart enough to know that Smoltz won't still be available when he's done rehabbing, so they must sign him ahead of time, you'd hope the C's would be willing to do the same with the 6th star winner. Sox said the signing is about September and October.

MLB and NBA systems are so different that the comparison between the situations is poor crap. Signing Smoltz is quite irrelevant to roster space. Roster space in MLB is not a valued commodity.

In the NBA, with no farm system and with only 15 roster spots available (wether they play or not), it's a very high commodity.

Yet the C's had rookies Giddens and Walker, scrubs POB and Pruitt, an extra assistant coach Cassell taking up one third of those valuable spots last year.

None of those were injured though, and none of those were signed until near the end of free-agency. Pruitt was already under contract if not mistaken. Plus all of them could fill a position of need. PF is not currently a position of need.

Keep rationalizing... fact is, that at this very moment, there is no space for Powe. Maybe in the future, but not right now.

Right

We lost Mikki, Powe and BBD. Who did we replace them with at PF?

POB was signed in early. We complained about it all Summer.  If Danny had told Powe that he would be signing him later in the offseason, like he did with Giddens, Walker, and Cassell, Powe would be fine. That's not what Danny said. Danny said to look elsewhere. You're not wanted.

So "keep rationalizing" yourself with your 44 tagged glasses.

We haven't lost BBD and we still have Scal, KG. We're planning on getting Sheed. Until that scenario doesn't fall through, PF is not a position of need. Even so, we're more interested in a 4/5 type of guy and/or a 3/4 type of guy.

POB was signed near mid July... guess it wasn't that late, but wasn't that early either. At least Powe now can pursue other opportunities if they present themselves instead of holding on to an illusion that the Celtics might sign him later. What if he forgoes some opportunities, while injured, because he hopes that Celtics would still add him and in the end the Celtics don't do it? What then? He might have limited offers injured as he is.

Anyways, until Danny is done with his search of healthy people that can fill roster spots, giving Powe one would be irresponsible and dumb.

[johnnyrondo]

C's signed Patrick O'Bryant on July 11th. I believe the first day you could sign a player was only a few days before that. Not sure of the exact date, but imo signing a guy in the first 3 or 4 days is pretty early.

I don't share your confidence that the C's will end up with both BBD and Sheed 

Anyways, until Danny is done with his search of healthy people that can fill roster spots, giving Powe one would be irresponsible and dumb.

So if Danny had done this and said that Powe would be better than any player we could sign to be our 15th man, you would be shouting that "Danny's dumb?"

[BudweiserCeltic]

C's signed Patrick O'Bryant on July 11th. I believe the first day you could sign a player was only a few days before that. Not sure of the exact date, but imo signing a guy in the first 3 or 4 days is pretty early.

I don't share your confidence that the C's will end up with both BBD and Sheed

BBD is restricted. If we find ourselves needing a PF we keep him. It's that simple. Sheed option still needs to be explored before signing someone like Powe. Again, this is not the time to do it.

Anyways, about POB, at the time we had plenty of roster spots available. We had a ton of free-agents, we needed to fill our bench. He was available and was cheap.

It's not the same this year... we're quite full, and the rest of the spots available are reserved for Danny to explore real contributing options.

[guava_wrench]

Add to that the fact that we have a month to decide whether to match if BBD gets an offer and we have pretty good insurance.
BBD is restricted. If we find ourselves needing a PF we keep him. It's that simple. Sheed option still needs to be explored before signing someone like Powe. Again, this is not the time to do it.

Anyways, about POB, at the time we had plenty of roster spots available. We had a ton of free-agents, we needed to fill our bench. He was available and was cheap.

It's not the same this year... we're quite full, and the rest of the spots available are reserved for Danny to explore real contributing options.

[winsomme]

I can't believe the Red Sox signed John Smoltz even though he would be out until June. What a silly signing 

How much luxury tax did the Sox have to pay? There are so many differences in these situations that it is an inappropriate comparison.

It is also odd to make this comparison since the Red Sox have no qualms cutting bait on players if it is a shrewd financial move.

Smoltz contract and any luxury tax payments will way exceed Powe's contract and luxury tax.

And on your second point, if the Sox, who are all about shrewd financial moves are still smart enough to know that Smoltz won't still be available when he's done rehabbing, so they must sign him ahead of time, you'd hope the C's would be willing to do the same with the 6th star winner. Sox said the signing is about September and October.

MLB and NBA systems are so different that the comparison between the situations is poor crap. Signing Smoltz is quite irrelevant to roster space. Roster space in MLB is not a valued commodity.

In the NBA, with no farm system and with only 15 roster spots available (wether they play or not), it's a very high commodity.

Yet the C's had rookies Giddens and Walker, scrubs POB and Pruitt, an extra assistant coach Cassell taking up one third of those valuable spots last year.

None of those were injured though, and none of those were signed until near the end of free-agency. Pruitt was already under contract if not mistaken. Plus all of them could fill a position of need. PF is not currently a position of need.

Keep rationalizing... fact is, that at this very moment, there is no space for Powe. Maybe in the future, but not right now.

It's not rationalizing. They were taking up roster spots and not contributing....

[winsomme]

C's signed Patrick O'Bryant on July 11th. I believe the first day you could sign a player was only a few days before that. Not sure of the exact date, but imo signing a guy in the first 3 or 4 days is pretty early.

I don't share your confidence that the C's will end up with both BBD and Sheed

BBD is restricted. If we find ourselves needing a PF we keep him. It's that simple. Sheed option still needs to be explored before signing someone like Powe. Again, this is not the time to do it.

Anyways, about POB, at the time we had plenty of roster spots available. We had a ton of free-agents, we needed to fill our bench. He was available and was cheap.

It's not the same this year... we're quite full, and the rest of the spots available are reserved for Danny to explore real contributing options.

we are not quite full. the players we have under contract are:

Rondo
Ray
PAul
KG
Perk
Scals
TA
Walker
JR
Eddie

that leaves 5 roster spots...

[Eja117]

I have a question relating to the Leon thing? Has any pro athlete ever had three ACL snapps in the span of time Leon has and come back to be a decent player?

[winsomme]

I have a question relating to the Leon thing? Has any pro athlete ever had three ACL snapps in the span of time Leon has and come back to be a decent player?

decent player or healed...they're kinda different things.

for instance, I think TA is working on his third right?  and he at the very least seems like his knee is strong...

[BudweiserCeltic]

C's signed Patrick O'Bryant on July 11th. I believe the first day you could sign a player was only a few days before that. Not sure of the exact date, but imo signing a guy in the first 3 or 4 days is pretty early.

I don't share your confidence that the C's will end up with both BBD and Sheed

BBD is restricted. If we find ourselves needing a PF we keep him. It's that simple. Sheed option still needs to be explored before signing someone like Powe. Again, this is not the time to do it.

Anyways, about POB, at the time we had plenty of roster spots available. We had a ton of free-agents, we needed to fill our bench. He was available and was cheap.

It's not the same this year... we're quite full, and the rest of the spots available are reserved for Danny to explore real contributing options.

we are not quite full. the players we have under contract are:

Rondo
Ray
PAul
KG
Perk
Scals
TA
Walker
JR
Eddie

that leaves 5 roster spots...

5 Roster spots...

1 of them could potentially be for Sheed.
1 of them could potentially be for Baby who is restricted.
1 of them could potentially be for a backup PG.
1 of them could potentially be for a backup SF.
1 of them at the moment is for Pruitt who deserves a shot at making the team. If not him, Hudson also deserves a shot. If neither makes it, another PG option should be explored... if not that another backup Center option should be explored.

So until Danny has exhausted all HEALTHY players with chances of contributing to this team, there's no space for Powe filling up a roster space. Again, not at THIS moment.

[Scalablob990]

Leon is definitely a player worth keeping, but management doesn't want to pay him for basically sitting on the sidelines until February. It's just too bad.

Yet POB and ET sat on the bench their entire stay here, I still do not understand the "full" reason why Danny is so resilient to re-sign Powe to even a minimum contract. Now if Danny brings that bust Robert Swift here i'm going to go bonkers.

[winsomme]

C's signed Patrick O'Bryant on July 11th. I believe the first day you could sign a player was only a few days before that. Not sure of the exact date, but imo signing a guy in the first 3 or 4 days is pretty early.

I don't share your confidence that the C's will end up with both BBD and Sheed

BBD is restricted. If we find ourselves needing a PF we keep him. It's that simple. Sheed option still needs to be explored before signing someone like Powe. Again, this is not the time to do it.

Anyways, about POB, at the time we had plenty of roster spots available. We had a ton of free-agents, we needed to fill our bench. He was available and was cheap.

It's not the same this year... we're quite full, and the rest of the spots available are reserved for Danny to explore real contributing options.

we are not quite full. the players we have under contract are:

Rondo
Ray
PAul
KG
Perk
Scals
TA
Walker
JR
Eddie

that leaves 5 roster spots...

5 Roster spots...

1 of them could potentially be for Sheed.
1 of them could potentially be for Baby who is restricted.
1 of them could potentially be for a backup PG.
1 of them could potentially be for a backup SF.
1 of them at the moment is for Pruitt who deserves a shot at making the team. If not him, Hudson also deserves a shot. If neither makes it, another PG option should be explored... if not that another backup Center option should be explored.

So until Danny has exhausted all HEALTHY players with chances of contributing to this team, there's no space for Powe filling up a roster space. Again, not at THIS moment.

you have two spots on the roster going to 3rd and 4th string PGs. If Hudson and Pruitt aren't able to to contribute to this team this season, then why are they making the team. Aren't they taking up a roster spot?

I laid it out in the other thread, you can sign Leon add TWO backup bigs another backup wing and still have a spot for a 3rd string PG.

you also have two expiring contracts which you could move in Scals and TA.

this whole argument that signing Leon would lock up our roster is not accurate....