FREE POB!

[dark_lord]

Your as Blind as BBD if you think BBD is better on the 2nd unit.

way to support ur stance....through personal attacks and no valid evidence or analysis.  rather juvenile....especially after you brought up bbd's demographics, as if that has any credibility in one's play on the court.

[crownsy]

Cry Baby has always had everything givin to him he will never understand what being poor, hungry and driven will ever mean.

Therefore I don't see him ever developing, POB just might if he has the chance to develope.

Get over it, BBD is not the answer and Deke or Zo is not coming to Beantown.

Don't make stuff up about people because you think you have a point.

"cry baby" grew up as a child of a mother who was addicted to heroine and an absentee father. He only got to go to school because a man he considers his foster father saw him play and thought he was too good to let his talent go to waste and took him into his home. his life wasne't as rough as leon's by any stretch, but it was no bed of roses or "everything handed to him" either. He was never expected to last at LSU (too fat and slow supposedly, same as some want to lable him now) and instead worked himself into an NBA prospect.

I'm not the biggest davis fan my own self, and if it comes down to him and leon, cut BBD. but don't make stuff up about him leading a charmed life and having everything handed to him to try to make him look like a non-working scrub.

[dark_lord]

Cry Baby has always had everything givin to him he will never understand what being poor, hungry and driven will ever mean.

Therefore I don't see him ever developing, POB just might if he has the chance to develope.

Get over it, BBD is not the answer and Deke or Zo is not coming to Beantown.

Don't make stuff up about people because you think you have a point.

"cry baby" grew up as a child of a mother who was addicted to heroine and an absentee father. He only got to go to school because a man he considers his foster father saw him play and thought he was too good to let his talent go to waste. He was never expected to last at LSU (to fat and slow supposedly, same as some want to lable him now) and instead worked himself into an NBA prospect.

I'm not the biggest davis fan my own self, and if it comes down to him and leon, cut BBD. but don't make stuff up about him leading a charmed life and having everything handed to him to try to make him look like a non-working scrub.

well stated crownsy....TP for u

[MoBSTa_69]

Okay, I never knew BBD background and apologize for that, but I have never seen him attack, and he always lays back like he is waiting for something to come to him on either side of the court.


I might not be a Psychiatrist, but generally in every family the baby is always petted to death and handed everything.

Ither way you can't ignore those stats tonight, from POB and BBD, POB put up more stats in half as many mins.

[Toine43]

Ither way you can't ignore those stats tonight

Actually, there were many reasons to ignore tonight's stats. Tonight's stats, which came during the last 6 minutes of a 45-point blowout, are probably as meaningless as any stats could be.

Cry Baby has always had everything givin to him he will never understand what being poor, hungry and driven will ever mean.

"cry baby" grew up as a child of a mother who was addicted to heroine and an absentee father. He only got to go to school because a man he considers his foster father saw him play and thought he was too good to let his talent go to waste and took him into his home.

I think the last two quotes sum up your credibility on the issue (I'm not even sure what the issue is at this point, because all I see are personal attacks). I think it's time for you to retire from this thread.

[Scribbles]

Its obviously POB has some skills.  Its just whether he will turn into a decent player, or he'll just stay a 7 foot bench warmer the rest of his career.  He'll never be an all star, but he could be a decent role player on a good team, and a starter on a bad team if he pans out  If not he'll collect checks from someone for a couple years because he is 7 feet and is still rather young.  I hope POB can become something for us, but only time will tell. 

[TradeProposalDude]

Ill admit that he looked impressive in garbage minutes against a garbage team. But thats as far as Im willing to go with the POB love. He clearly appears disinterested. I would never expect him to come out of a tussle for the ball a winner. He just doesnt have the heart factor. He can shoot for a big man and block shots, but it's not like we haven't heard of scrubs who could do those things for you (Blount). Anyway lets see how he performs in big time minutes. I think I'd entertain having him switch spots with Baby in the rotation, but that would be it for now. Im just not convinced he's not a bust.

[Chris]

Your as Blind as BBD if you think BBD is better on the 2nd unit.

Than POB?  Of course BBD is MUCH better than POB right now.  POB is soft, and a terrible rotator (he makes Powe look like Garnett), while Davis is the most consistent defensive player on the C's bench.  It's not even close

[hwangjini_1]

Ill admit that he looked impressive in garbage minutes against a garbage team. But thats as far as Im willing to go with the POB love. He clearly appears disinterested. I would never expect him to come out of a tussle for the ball a winner. He just doesnt have the heart factor. He can shoot for a big man and block shots, but it's not like we haven't heard of scrubs who could do those things for you (Blount). Anyway lets see how he performs in big time minutes. I think I'd entertain having him switch spots with Baby in the rotation, but that would be it for now. Im just not convinced he's not a bust.

which means that he may be better than the garbage players on a garbage team. i guess that is a start to one's career, being better than the worst. 

i agree with scribbles...POB does have talent. he can shoot the ball rather well and he does block shots. given those and his height and his youth, i see no reason to NOT invest that valuable 12th man spot on the bench on him.

i am content with him playing that role this year, learning during practice, and seeing whether he develops the bulk and attitude to make him a solid rotation player for the celtics.

geez... 5 pages on a guy is averaging 4 minutes a game, and i am joining it. only here at celticsblog. 

[EJPLAYA]

Ok maybe you can tell me how many mins BBD had and maybe you can tell me the stats on BBD and POB.

bbd put up poor numbers....but this thread has nothing to do about BBD.  you made a ridiculous claim that POB deserves minutes based on 6:40 of play in scrub time of a nearly 50 point game.  BBD has contributed off and on throughout the last two seasons, and its only his second season, where inconsistency is to be expected from a second round pick.  lets not forget POB was a 9th pick overall!  

I think this part of the thread is exactly about BBD's play. If we had Yao Ming down there at the center position no one on here would be calling for POB to play. If BBD weren't getting worse and worse as his career progresses and his waistline increase then we wouldn't have this discussion. Clearly POB isn't completely ready yet. Neither were a lot of guys who were thrust into their roles because of circumstances. Yes the guy needs to step it up in the desire department. He needs to get tougher. You can however reward the guy with some more minutes in the next few games for the effort and results he put out there on the floor. I think that is as much to reward him as to punish BBD. As much as most of you want to deny it, the guy has easily gained 40 lbs since draft night. You want to rip on POB's desire, but what does it say about a guy who is willing to put in the effort and discipline in order to get signed to an NBA team and make some cash, but once he attained that he stops doing it. You really ought to question BBD's heart just as much as POB's.

In a nutshell though. Look at the stat line. Look at the rebounds the guy is able to get based on his reach. Look at the shots he is able to block. Look at the way KG was supporting the guy and I guarantee will be in his ear right now about what he could do in this league. The time is right to give the guy some run.

[Andy Jick]

well, let's trade him now while his value is high...

[Cman]

well, let's trade him now while his value is high...

TP, Hilarious!

[dark_lord]

Ok maybe you can tell me how many mins BBD had and maybe you can tell me the stats on BBD and POB.

bbd put up poor numbers....but this thread has nothing to do about BBD.  you made a ridiculous claim that POB deserves minutes based on 6:40 of play in scrub time of a nearly 50 point game.  BBD has contributed off and on throughout the last two seasons, and its only his second season, where inconsistency is to be expected from a second round pick.  lets not forget POB was a 9th pick overall!  

I think this part of the thread is exactly about BBD's play. If we had Yao Ming down there at the center position no one on here would be calling for POB to play. If BBD weren't getting worse and worse as his career progresses and his waistline increase then we wouldn't have this discussion. Clearly POB isn't completely ready yet. Neither were a lot of guys who were thrust into their roles because of circumstances. Yes the guy needs to step it up in the desire department. He needs to get tougher. You can however reward the guy with some more minutes in the next few games for the effort and results he put out there on the floor. I think that is as much to reward him as to punish BBD. As much as most of you want to deny it, the guy has easily gained 40 lbs since draft night. You want to rip on POB's desire, but what does it say about a guy who is willing to put in the effort and discipline in order to get signed to an NBA team and make some cash, but once he attained that he stops doing it. You really ought to question BBD's heart just as much as POB's.

In a nutshell though. Look at the stat line. Look at the rebounds the guy is able to get based on his reach. Look at the shots he is able to block. Look at the way KG was supporting the guy and I guarantee will be in his ear right now about what he could do in this league. The time is right to give the guy some run.

as it has been stated previously in this thread, both doc and nellie have publicly stated that pob is lazy,  if he is exhibitting this in practice, he wont and shouldnt, see time during a game.  

[EJPLAYA]

Ok maybe you can tell me how many mins BBD had and maybe you can tell me the stats on BBD and POB.

bbd put up poor numbers....but this thread has nothing to do about BBD.  you made a ridiculous claim that POB deserves minutes based on 6:40 of play in scrub time of a nearly 50 point game.  BBD has contributed off and on throughout the last two seasons, and its only his second season, where inconsistency is to be expected from a second round pick.  lets not forget POB was a 9th pick overall!  

I think this part of the thread is exactly about BBD's play. If we had Yao Ming down there at the center position no one on here would be calling for POB to play. If BBD weren't getting worse and worse as his career progresses and his waistline increase then we wouldn't have this discussion. Clearly POB isn't completely ready yet. Neither were a lot of guys who were thrust into their roles because of circumstances. Yes the guy needs to step it up in the desire department. He needs to get tougher. You can however reward the guy with some more minutes in the next few games for the effort and results he put out there on the floor. I think that is as much to reward him as to punish BBD. As much as most of you want to deny it, the guy has easily gained 40 lbs since draft night. You want to rip on POB's desire, but what does it say about a guy who is willing to put in the effort and discipline in order to get signed to an NBA team and make some cash, but once he attained that he stops doing it. You really ought to question BBD's heart just as much as POB's.

In a nutshell though. Look at the stat line. Look at the rebounds the guy is able to get based on his reach. Look at the shots he is able to block. Look at the way KG was supporting the guy and I guarantee will be in his ear right now about what he could do in this league. The time is right to give the guy some run.

as it has been stated previously in this thread, both doc and nellie have publicly stated that pob is lazy,  if he is exhibitting this in practice, he wont and shouldnt, see time during a game.  

First of all I think it is funny how we agree on some guys and disagree on others... TP for your discussions.

I guess my point is that doesn't BBD's refusal to keep his weight under control show laziness as well? I'm sure he hustles around in practice, but it's a lot harder to do the work outside pushing away the plate of chicken wings, and the extra effort burning the waistline. Trust me I know from experience. I hustle my butt off in pick up ball etc, but the extra 30 lbs I have around the middle makes much of that effort a moot point! I'd be more like the player of my twenties if I dropped that weight.

Some guys have to be manipulated a little differently than others. I have 5 kids and know that the strict hard line that works with some of them has the opposite effect on another one. I wonder if his personality would make him respond better given a few more consistent minutes where he could come out of a game feeling like he did last night. THEN once the guy got the taste of playing well and being a part of it he could be given the harder speech.

[Chris]

Ok maybe you can tell me how many mins BBD had and maybe you can tell me the stats on BBD and POB.

bbd put up poor numbers....but this thread has nothing to do about BBD.  you made a ridiculous claim that POB deserves minutes based on 6:40 of play in scrub time of a nearly 50 point game.  BBD has contributed off and on throughout the last two seasons, and its only his second season, where inconsistency is to be expected from a second round pick.  lets not forget POB was a 9th pick overall! 

I think this part of the thread is exactly about BBD's play. If we had Yao Ming down there at the center position no one on here would be calling for POB to play. If BBD weren't getting worse and worse as his career progresses and his waistline increase then we wouldn't have this discussion. Clearly POB isn't completely ready yet. Neither were a lot of guys who were thrust into their roles because of circumstances. Yes the guy needs to step it up in the desire department. He needs to get tougher. You can however reward the guy with some more minutes in the next few games for the effort and results he put out there on the floor. I think that is as much to reward him as to punish BBD. As much as most of you want to deny it, the guy has easily gained 40 lbs since draft night. You want to rip on POB's desire, but what does it say about a guy who is willing to put in the effort and discipline in order to get signed to an NBA team and make some cash, but once he attained that he stops doing it. You really ought to question BBD's heart just as much as POB's.

In a nutshell though. Look at the stat line. Look at the rebounds the guy is able to get based on his reach. Look at the shots he is able to block. Look at the way KG was supporting the guy and I guarantee will be in his ear right now about what he could do in this league. The time is right to give the guy some run.

as it has been stated previously in this thread, both doc and nellie have publicly stated that pob is lazy,  if he is exhibitting this in practice, he wont and shouldnt, see time during a game. 

First of all I think it is funny how we agree on some guys and disagree on others... TP for your discussions.

I guess my point is that doesn't BBD's refusal to keep his weight under control show laziness as well? I'm sure he hustles around in practice, but it's a lot harder to do the work outside pushing away the plate of chicken wings, and the extra effort burning the waistline. Trust me I know from experience. I hustle my butt off in pick up ball etc, but the extra 30 lbs I have around the middle makes much of that effort a moot point! I'd be more like the player of my twenties if I dropped that weight.

Some guys have to be manipulated a little differently than others. I have 5 kids and know that the strict hard line that works with some of them has the opposite effect on another one. I wonder if his personality would make him respond better given a few more consistent minutes where he could come out of a game feeling like he did last night. THEN once the guy got the taste of playing well and being a part of it he could be given the harder speech.

The problem is, you are under the assumption that they had asked Davis to shed weight.  I think it is absolutely within the realm of possibility that the C's preferred Davis to maintain his weight, while converting more of the fat to muscle (which I believe he has). 

Either way, I vehemently disagree that Davis has been a big disapointment this year.  He has (along with Powe) been asked to do much more than last year, and that has caused problems (just like they have for Powe), but in general, he has done a very good job for this team.